Jim Jeffries vs. Joe Frazier!

[Goodnight, Irene]

A simply mouth-watering affair.

Will anyone join me in backing Jeffries? I have him stopping Frazier in thirteen or fourteen rounds.

[gambler49]

A simply mouth-watering affair.

Will anyone join me in backing Jeffries? I have him stopping Frazier in thirteen or fourteen rounds.

It's hard to say, mainley cos they come from very different eras. Going by wat I've read about Jeffries I would't be suprised if ur prediction was right. In fact I could imagine Joe getting badley hurt in this fight. And at the same time I'd rate Joe higher. But I THINK this could be a bad match up for Joe.
Jeffries is one fighter id love to see some Quality footage of.

[Mr E]

In case you're interested, the November 1972 issue of "International Boxing" (magazine) matched Frazier against a number of the past heavyweight champions. In the match-ups, Frazier travelled back in time to fight under his predecessors' conditions. Here are the results the magazine editors came up with:

v. John L. Sullivan: W-KO23 (fight to the finish)
v. Bob Fitzsimmons: L-KOby13 (25 rounds)
v. Jim Jeffries: L-KOby19 (25 rounds)
v. Jack Johnson: L-KOby10 (15 rounds)
v. Jess Willard: W-Dec.15 (15 rounds)
v. Jack Dempsey: L-KOby3 (15 rounds)
v. Gene Tunney: L-Dec.10 (10 rounds)
v. Max Baer: W-TKO6 (15 rounds)
v. Joe Louis: L-KOby5 (15 rounds)
v. Rocky Marciano: L-KOby8 (15 rounds)

[Goodnight, Irene]

In case you're interested, the November 1972 issue of "International Boxing" (magazine) matched Frazier against a number of the past heavyweight champions. In the match-ups, Frazier travelled back in time to fight under his predecessors' conditions. Here are the results the magazine editors came up with:

v. John L. Sullivan: W-KO23 (fight to the finish)
v. Bob Fitzsimmons: L-KOby13 (25 rounds)
v. Jim Jeffries: L-KOby19 (25 rounds)
v. Jack Johnson: L-KOby10 (15 rounds)
v. Jess Willard: W-Dec.15 (15 rounds)
v. Jack Dempsey: L-KOby3 (15 rounds)
v. Gene Tunney: L-Dec.10 (10 rounds)
v. Max Baer: W-TKO6 (15 rounds)
v. Joe Louis: L-KOby5 (15 rounds)
v. Rocky Marciano: L-KOby8 (15 rounds)

It is interesting. It's interesting how time changes views. Of those, I could see strong cases for their predictions with Louis, Tunney, Dempsey & Willard --- decent cases for Baer & Jeffries --- &, "WTF!?" for Fitzsimmons, Sullivan, Johnson & Marciano.

[Robinson]

Frazier.

[BoxBuzz]

I just don't see how people could possibly pick Marciano over Frazier. It don't fit any sort of reasoning other than people being mystified and bamboozled by that apparently stupefying and supernatural 0 losses aspect.

[Robinson]

I have always thought that Frazier vs Marciano would be an excellent
fight. But I tend to favour smoke over rock.

[BoxBuzz]

Agreed it would be brutal bordering on cruel to both guys. Might be a career ender for both of them.

[Goodnight, Irene]

Agreed it would be brutal bordering on cruel to both guys. Might be a career ender for both of them.

I hardly see it as a Frazier slam-dunk, though. I think it's close to 50-50. Jeffries beats both of them, IMO.

[Goodnight, Irene]

I just don't see how people could possibly pick Marciano over Frazier. It don't fit any sort of reasoning other than people being mystified and bamboozled by that apparently stupefying and supernatural 0 losses aspect.

What about this bout, though?

[BrocktonBlockbuster49]

I just don't see how people could possibly pick Marciano over Frazier. It don't fit any sort of reasoning other than people being mystified and bamboozled by that apparently stupefying and supernatural 0 losses aspect.

Or perhaps your mystified by your own unrealistic expectations for Joe Frazier? I pick Marciano over Joe Frazier because I feel his superior two fisted knockout power will allow him to come out on top of Joe's left hook. In a battle on the inside, this advantage Rocky has is a big one. I also feel rocky has the slight edge in strength and durability, which is a key factor in toe to toe battles. It would be a war though!

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Frazier by decision in a gory affair. I think Joe's underrated hand speed plays a big role here. Jeffries was very strong so Joe wouldn't push him back as frequently as he is used to. But I think he beats Jim to the punch for most of the night in a fight that neither guy is capable of getting a stoppage.

[Robinson]

Agreed it would be brutal bordering on cruel to both guys. Might be a career ender for both of them.

I hardly see it as a Frazier slam-dunk, though. I think it's close to 50-50. Jeffries beats both of them, IMO.

I see both of them beating Jeffries... and not at the same time either ;')

[BoxBuzz]

The Jeffries fight is harder to call. I Jeffries was trained like the Klits I'd be more able to make a call. As I have explained in the past, I think this era of fighters would be at a distinct disadvantage compared to more contemporary fighters, as I believe the game has evolved.

Based on that alone I would be inclined to pick Joe.

If they both had exactly the same training available to them I might lean to Jeffries. But skill set vs skill set as they actually developed as fighters...I have to go with Joe. Though I would have argued that Joe would have beaten George.....until the moment I witnessed the fight.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

The Jeffries fight is harder to call. I Jeffries was trained like the Klits I'd be more able to make a call. As I have explained in the past, I think this era of fighters would be at a distinct disadvantage compared to more contemporary fighters, as I believe the game has evolved.

Based on that alone I would be inclined to pick Joe.

If they both had exactly the same training available to them I might lean to Jeffries. But skill set vs skill set as they actually developed as fighters...I have to go with Joe. Though I would have argued that Joe would have beaten George.....until the moment I witnessed the fight.

I would hate to see Frazier fight Jeffries on steroids.

[punchoutsb]

A simply mouth-watering affair.

Will anyone join me in backing Jeffries? I have him stopping Frazier in thirteen or fourteen rounds.

Yep I will. I think Frazier was all wrong for Jeffries.

I even agree with your interpretation of that interesting '72 list...except I think Rocky destroys Frazier. But then I'm a pretty big Rocky fan

[BoxBuzz]

Ok, the steroids thing....are the Klits guilty of that?

[yancey]

I just don't see how people could possibly pick Marciano over Frazier. It don't fit any sort of reasoning other than people being mystified and bamboozled by that apparently stupefying and supernatural 0 losses aspect.

Agreed.

Many are bamboozled by that perfect record, but how many have looked at the won-lost record of many of the guys Marciano fought and struggled with, even later on in his career???

Look at the career records, folks. It is astounding.

Frazier would break Marciano down, bit by bit, and it would be a brutal end.

It is not a 50/50 affair.

Frazier also breaks Jeffries down. He lays on the chest of Jeffries and the organ donation people ready themselves as the vital organs come out one by one.

The "watering" aspects I see connected to this affair are the tears rolling down GI's cheeks as he watches it happen. DD

[yancey]

In case you're interested, the November 1972 issue of "International Boxing" (magazine) matched Frazier against a number of the past heavyweight champions. In the match-ups, Frazier travelled back in time to fight under his predecessors' conditions. Here are the results the magazine editors came up with:

v. John L. Sullivan: W-KO23 (fight to the finish)
v. Bob Fitzsimmons: L-KOby13 (25 rounds)
v. Jim Jeffries: L-KOby19 (25 rounds)
v. Jack Johnson: L-KOby10 (15 rounds)
v. Jess Willard: W-Dec.15 (15 rounds)
v. Jack Dempsey: L-KOby3 (15 rounds)
v. Gene Tunney: L-Dec.10 (10 rounds)
v. Max Baer: W-TKO6 (15 rounds)
v. Joe Louis: L-KOby5 (15 rounds)
v. Rocky Marciano: L-KOby8 (15 rounds)

My question....

What the hell were the editors of this rag on with some of these picks?

[BoxBuzz]

I know this is not the topic, but there are at least half a dozen HW's that would have that same "0" if they faced the same competition as Rocky.

On second thought Maybe more like a dozen.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Ok, the steroids thing....are the Klits guilty of that?

Vitali "was" an admitted juicer. I must admit I'm speculating about his little brother. It was merely a joke, I honestly don't care. It is so wide spread through sports and has been for some time. Any moral ground on it will inevitably lead to making a hypocrite out of you.

Holyfield is my favorite alltime fighter behind Hearns. Not a big Baseball fan, but I loved Barry Bonds.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

I know this is not the topic, but there are at least half a dozen HW's that would have that same "0" if they faced the same competition as Rocky.

On second thought Maybe more like a dozen.

I would agree, but Walcott, Charles & Arch is a slippery run.

[Goodnight, Irene]

I just don't see how people could possibly pick Marciano over Frazier. It don't fit any sort of reasoning other than people being mystified and bamboozled by that apparently stupefying and supernatural 0 losses aspect.

Agreed.

Many are bamboozled by that perfect record, but how many have looked at the won-lost record of many of the guys Marciano fought and struggled with, even later on in his career???

Look at the career records, folks. It is astounding.

Frazier would break Marciano down, bit by bit, and it would be a brutal end.

It is not a 50/50 affair.

Frazier also breaks Jeffries down. He lays on the chest of Jeffries and the organ donation people ready themselves as the vital organs come out one by one.

The "watering" aspects I see connected to this affair are the tears rolling down GI's cheeks as he watches it happen. DD

Why would I care if Jeffries lost? I wouldn't --- I have nothing against Frazier, or anything close to it --- am just of the zaney notion Foreman whips him every day of the week, & twice on Sunday...you know, like, say, 90% of fight fans believe, at the very least?

Anyway, getting back to this match-up, you're dreaming. Frazier couldn't stop Ali. He couldn't stop Bonavena. He hit both all night long. He isn't stopping Jeffries. Any victory will be on points.

[yancey]

I just don't see how people could possibly pick Marciano over Frazier. It don't fit any sort of reasoning other than people being mystified and bamboozled by that apparently stupefying and supernatural 0 losses aspect.

Agreed.

Many are bamboozled by that perfect record, but how many have looked at the won-lost record of many of the guys Marciano fought and struggled with, even later on in his career???

Look at the career records, folks. It is astounding.

Frazier would break Marciano down, bit by bit, and it would be a brutal end.

It is not a 50/50 affair.

Frazier also breaks Jeffries down. He lays on the chest of Jeffries and the organ donation people ready themselves as the vital organs come out one by one.

The "watering" aspects I see connected to this affair are the tears rolling down GI's cheeks as he watches it happen. DD

Why would I care if Jeffries lost? I wouldn't --- I have nothing against Frazier, or anything close to it --- am just of the zaney notion Foreman whips him every day of the week, & twice on Sunday...you know, like, say, 90% of fight fans believe, at the very least?

Anyway, getting back to this match-up, you're dreaming. Frazier couldn't stop Ali. He couldn't stop Bonavena. He hit both all night long. He isn't stopping Jeffries. Any victory will be on points.

Don't get miffed, GI.

I was just kidding with you and respect your opinion, even though you are wrong on a certain boxing matter.

[HomicideHenry]

Frazier wins decision; game and competitive all the way was Jeffries

Had it been a 25 rounder, the tide would have turned in Jeffries favor