5 Best Performances-Any Fighter

Seamus · Post by **Seamus** » 07 Apr 2006, 02:00

Just pick a fighter and list what you think were his 5 best performances. Draws and losses included if applicable.

Here's three to start.

MARVIN HAGLER
1. KO 3 Tommy Hearns
2. KO 3 Mustafa Hamsho
3. KO 3 Alan Minter
4. KO 6 Tony Sibson
5. KO 5 Fulgencio Obelmejias

DWIGHT MUHAMMAD QAWI
1. KO 6 Matthew Saad Muhammad
2. KO 10 Matthew Saad Muhammad
3. KO 11 Eddie Davis
4. W 10 James Scott
5. LSD 15 Evander Holyfield

JERRY QUARRY
1. KO 1 Earnie Shavers
2. W 12 Buster Mathis
3. KO 6 Mac Foster
4. W 12 Ron Lyle
5. WSD 12 Floyd Patterson

walshb · Post by **walshb** » 07 Apr 2006, 06:44

Quarry clean KO'd Shavers??, that must have been something. Any info on that fight?. Was Quarry a big puncher. Didn't Shavers take Ali the full distance and almost KO Holmes

mattym · Post by **mattym** » 07 Apr 2006, 08:46

Ali:
1) Liston I
2) Frazier III
3) Williams
4) Foreman
5) Terrell

Sugar Ray Leonard:
1) Duran
2) Hearns I
3) Hagler
4) Wilfred Benitez
5) Ayub Kalule

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 07 Apr 2006, 08:59

Duran...

1. Barkley
2. Leonard 1
3. Dejesus 3
4. Lampkin
5. Hagler

Bobby Chacon

1. Limon 4
2. Lopez
3. Boza 2
4. Olivares 1
5. Arguello

Saad Muhammad

1. Johnson 2
2. Lopez 1
3. Kates
4. Johnson 1
5. Lopez 1

kick asner · Post by **kick asner** » 07 Apr 2006, 09:08

This one is a bit of an enigma given the fact he is not an all time great but to look at his five best performences you would think that he was.

Donald Curry
1. KO 2 Milt McCrory
2. KO 1 Roger Stafford
3. W ud Marlon Starling 2
4. KO 4 Colin Jones
5. KO 2 James "Hard Rock" Green

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 07 Apr 2006, 09:16

kick asner wrote:This one is a bit of an enigma given the fact he is not an all time great but to look at his five best performences you would think that he was.

Donald Curry
1. KO 2 Milt McCrory
2. KO 1 Roger Stafford
3. W ud Marlon Starling 2
4. KO 4 Colin Jones
5. KO 2 James "Hard Rock" Green

I'd say Curry is pretty close to being an all time great... I'm rather puzzled over why the Green fight is in there as it was rather a non-event... I would have put in Currys losing efforts to either Mccallum or Nunn...

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 07 Apr 2006, 09:33

silkov wrote:Duran...

1. Barkley
2. Leonard 1
3. Dejesus 3
4. Lampkin
5. Hagler

Bobby Chacon

1. Limon 4
2. Lopez
3. Boza 2
4. Olivares 1
5. Arguello

Saad Muhammad

1. Johnson 2
2. Lopez 1
3. Kates
4. Johnson 1
5. Lopez 1

re: Duran

No Moore? No Buchanan?

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 07 Apr 2006, 09:36

Mike Spinks

W15 Larry Holmes
W15 Qawi
W15 Eddie Mustafa
WKO 4 Jonson
WKO 8 MacDonald (not a great challenger but a superb performance)

The Great John L · Post by **The Great John L** » 07 Apr 2006, 10:14

walshb wrote:Quarry clean KO'd Shavers??, that must have been something. Any info on that fight?. Was Quarry a big puncher. Didn't Shavers take Ali the full distance and almost KO Holmes

Quarry was a pretty hard puncher, and much more skilled than the limited Shavers. This fight from the "golden age" of the HW division never really got started. Shavers got HUGE press here locally (I live in Akron and Shavers was from Warren) after KOing Jimmy Ellis with a single punch in the 1st round of their fight and was "rewarded" with a fight against the dangerous Quarry. Quarry was a very underrated counterpuncher, and Shavers was pretty wide open anytime he threw that long right hand bomb.

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 07 Apr 2006, 10:20

Ezzard wrote:
silkov wrote:Duran...

1. Barkley
2. Leonard 1
3. Dejesus 3
4. Lampkin
5. Hagler

Bobby Chacon

1. Limon 4
2. Lopez
3. Boza 2
4. Olivares 1
5. Arguello

Saad Muhammad

1. Johnson 2
2. Lopez 1
3. Kates
4. Johnson 1
5. Lopez 1
re: Duran

No Moore? No Buchanan?

The Moore and Buchanan fights were great performances as well but I just think these ones pip them... vs Barkley Duran gave an amazing performance at 37 against a far younger and more powerful opponent... the Leonard and Dejesus performances were masterful showings of Duran at his physical peak... against Lampkin Duran looked frighteningly awesome.... against Hagler Duran stood up to a fighter many thought would destroy him... showed again what a great boxer he was, not just fighter.... other candidates for Durans top 5 would be vs Dejesus 2, Palomino, Viruet 2... spoilt for choice really with Roberto...

kick asner · Post by **kick asner** » 07 Apr 2006, 11:10

silkov wrote:
kick asner wrote:This one is a bit of an enigma given the fact he is not an all time great but to look at his five best performences you would think that he was.

Donald Curry
1. KO 2 Milt McCrory
2. KO 1 Roger Stafford
3. W ud Marlon Starling 2
4. KO 4 Colin Jones
5. KO 2 James "Hard Rock" Green
I'd say Curry is pretty close to being an all time great... I'm rather puzzled over why the Green fight is in there as it was rather a non-event... I would have put in Currys losing efforts to either Mccallum or Nunn...

I had Green because of the early knockout, sometimes it has to do with not only the caliber of opposition but with the way the opposition is beaten. Plus I thought Green was a very underrated fighter, he put a prime Muguibi through a war before going down to defeat. Also I think you have to look at his caliber of opposition rather than his record alone. He opted to take a tough road rather than stick with easy opponents. Don't get me wrong I am not saying he's great, just a bit underrated.

Expug · Post by **Expug** » 07 Apr 2006, 11:16

Ezzard Charles- Charley Burley w 10 , Charley Burley w 10, Archie Moore ko 8 , Joe Walcott w 15 , Joe Louis w 10 . I dont think Ezzard ever avoided anyone.

Arsenal · Post by **Arsenal** » 07 Apr 2006, 11:17

I'll do my favourite Lewis because I never missed any of his fights:

1. Ruddock (The only fight I thought Lewis had a chance of losing)
2. Tyson
3. Golota
4. Grant
5. Tua

Also Rahman II and the way he dispatched Derek "Sweet D" Williams was very funny!

kick asner · Post by **kick asner** » 07 Apr 2006, 11:25

Here is another one where if you base his career on these five wins alone the guy looks like an all time great, you might even say that it resembles a Marvin Hagler type record.

Iran Barkley
1.KO 3 Thomas Hearns
2. Wsd Thoms Hearns
3.KO 2 Darrin "Schoolboy" Van Horn
4.Ko 5 Michael "The Silk" Olajide
5.KO 8 Wilford Scypion

Arsenal · Post by **Arsenal** » 07 Apr 2006, 11:28

And now my 2nd favorite fighter Benn:

1. McClellen
2. Barkley
3. Logan
4. Eubank II
5. DeWitt (weren't sure on the last one)

Seamus · Post by **Seamus** » 07 Apr 2006, 12:01

BARRY McGUIGAN
W 15 Eusebio Pedroza
KO 8 Bernard Taylor
W 10 Juan LaPorte
KO 2 Felipe Orozco
KO 7 Jose Caba

YOUNG PETER JACKSON
ND 12 Jack Johnson
KO 5 Sam Langford
KO 4 Barbados Joe Walcott
KO 13 Philadelphia Jack O'Brien
D 10 Barbados Joe Walcott

kick asner · Post by **kick asner** » 07 Apr 2006, 13:25

Simon Brown
1.KO 4 Terry Norris
2.KO 3 Jorge Vacca
3.KO 10 Tyrone Trice
4.KO 10 Maurice Blocker
5.KO 2 Bobby Joe Young

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 07 Apr 2006, 13:28

silkov wrote:Duran...

1. Barkley
2. Leonard 1
3. Dejesus 3
4. Lampkin
5. Hagler

Bobby Chacon

1. Limon 4
2. Lopez
3. Boza 2
4. Olivares 1
5. Arguello

Saad Muhammad

1. Johnson 2
2. Lopez 1
3. Kates
4. Johnson 1
5. Lopez 1

silk,

with duran. dont u think leonard I has to be # 1??

- also with saad muhammad, wut about his classic first fight with john conteh? conteh put up perhaps the best preformance of his career

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 07 Apr 2006, 13:29

expug wrote:Ezzard Charles- Charley Burley w 10 , Charley Burley w 10, Archie Moore ko 8 , Joe Walcott w 15 , Joe Louis w 10 . I dont think Ezzard ever avoided anyone.

how could u not put marciano I on there? that was perhaps his finest preformance. i saw charles display traits in the marciano fight he never showed before, even in his prime 1946-49.

Expug · Post by **Expug** » 07 Apr 2006, 13:35

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:
expug wrote:Ezzard Charles- Charley Burley w 10 , Charley Burley w 10, Archie Moore ko 8 , Joe Walcott w 15 , Joe Louis w 10 . I dont think Ezzard ever avoided anyone.

how could u not put marciano I on there? that was perhaps his finest preformance. i saw charles display traits in the marciano fight he never showed before, even in his prime 1946-49.

Your right . He showed talent and courage even in a defeat.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 07 Apr 2006, 13:37

ezzard charles best preformances

1. KO 8 archie moore
2. L 15 rocky marciano
3. KO 2 lloyd marshall
4. W 15 jersey joe walcott II
5. W 10 charley burley

jersey joe walcotts best preformances

1. L 15 Joe Louis I
2. KO'd 13 by Rocky marciano I
3. KO 7 Ezzard charles
4. W 10 Elmer ray III
5. KO'd 11 by joe louis II

rocky marcianos best preformances

1. TKO 11 roland lastarza II
2. KO 13 Jersey joe walcott I
3. W 15 Ezzard charles I
4. KO 9 Archie moore
5. KO 8 Joe Louis

joe louis best preformances

1. KO 1 max schmeling
2. KO 4 max baer
3. KO 1 buddy baer
4. TKO 8 arturo godoy
5. KO 8 James Braddock

sonny listons best preformances

1. TKO 1 wayne bethea
2. TKO 6 Mike De John
3. TKO 2 Cleveland Williams II
4. KO 1 Floyd Patterson
5. W 12 Eddie Machen

larry holmes best preformances

1. TKO 3 leon Spinx
2. W 12 Earnie shavers I
3. W 15 Ken Norton
4. TKO 13 Gerry Cooney
5. W 15 Trevor Berbick

Expug · Post by **Expug** » 07 Apr 2006, 14:06

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:ezzard charles best preformances

1. KO 8 archie moore
2. L 15 rocky marciano
3. KO 2 lloyd marshall
4. W 15 jersey joe walcott II
5. W 10 charley burley

jersey joe walcotts best preformances

1. L 15 Joe Louis I
2. KO'd 13 by Rocky marciano I
3. KO 7 Ezzard charles
4. W 10 Elmer ray III
5. KO'd 11 by joe louis II

rocky marcianos best preformances

1. TKO 11 roland lastarza II
2. KO 13 Jersey joe walcott I
3. W 15 Ezzard charles I
4. KO 9 Archie moore
5. KO 8 Joe Louis

joe louis best preformances

1. KO 1 max schmeling
2. KO 4 max baer
3. KO 1 buddy baer
4. TKO 8 arturo godoy
5. KO 8 James Braddock

sonny listons best preformances

1. TKO 1 wayne bethea
2. TKO 6 Mike De John
3. TKO 2 Cleveland Williams II
4. KO 1 Floyd Patterson
5. W 12 Eddie Machen

larry holmes best preformances

1. TKO 3 leon Spinx
2. W 12 Earnie shavers I
3. W 15 Ken Norton
4. TKO 13 Gerry Cooney
5. W 15 Trevor Berbick

Brockton, what are your thoughts on Marciano - Walcott 2 ?

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 07 Apr 2006, 14:25

expug wrote:
BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:ezzard charles best preformances

1. KO 8 archie moore
2. L 15 rocky marciano
3. KO 2 lloyd marshall
4. W 15 jersey joe walcott II
5. W 10 charley burley

jersey joe walcotts best preformances

1. L 15 Joe Louis I
2. KO'd 13 by Rocky marciano I
3. KO 7 Ezzard charles
4. W 10 Elmer ray III
5. KO'd 11 by joe louis II

rocky marcianos best preformances

1. TKO 11 roland lastarza II
2. KO 13 Jersey joe walcott I
3. W 15 Ezzard charles I
4. KO 9 Archie moore
5. KO 8 Joe Louis

joe louis best preformances

1. KO 1 max schmeling
2. KO 4 max baer
3. KO 1 buddy baer
4. TKO 8 arturo godoy
5. KO 8 James Braddock

sonny listons best preformances

1. TKO 1 wayne bethea
2. TKO 6 Mike De John
3. TKO 2 Cleveland Williams II
4. KO 1 Floyd Patterson
5. W 12 Eddie Machen

larry holmes best preformances

1. TKO 3 leon Spinx
2. W 12 Earnie shavers I
3. W 15 Ken Norton
4. TKO 13 Gerry Cooney
5. W 15 Trevor Berbick
Brockton, what are your thoughts on Marciano - Walcott 2 ?

my thoughts?

that was NOT the same walcott of the 1st fight. he walked into that ring scared to death and he fought like he was scared to death. in the ring, walcott was slower, much less agresive, basically he looked like shit. father time finally caught up to joe in the 2nd fight. he was ruined in the 1st marciano fight. felix boccichio said he looked at walcott as he entered the ring and walcott "looked scared and not ready."

- the way walcott fought in the 2nd marciano fight resembled spinx-tyson. walcott was scared to death of rockys right hand

bottom line: marciano hit him with a very hard right hand that floored walcott. why didnt walcott get up? he blacked out as the count went from 7-10 and because of this, he mis read the count and got up too late. it didnt matter, even if the fight continued marciano would have starched him out very soon. marciano defintley knocked him out with a legite punch though. there was no foul play involved.

what happened to the guns blazing, confident, aggresive jersey joe walcott of the 1st marciano fight?

Expug · Post by **Expug** » 07 Apr 2006, 14:38

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:
expug wrote:
BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:ezzard charles best preformances

1. KO 8 archie moore
2. L 15 rocky marciano
3. KO 2 lloyd marshall
4. W 15 jersey joe walcott II
5. W 10 charley burley

jersey joe walcotts best preformances

1. L 15 Joe Louis I
2. KO'd 13 by Rocky marciano I
3. KO 7 Ezzard charles
4. W 10 Elmer ray III
5. KO'd 11 by joe louis II

rocky marcianos best preformances

1. TKO 11 roland lastarza II
2. KO 13 Jersey joe walcott I
3. W 15 Ezzard charles I
4. KO 9 Archie moore
5. KO 8 Joe Louis

joe louis best preformances

1. KO 1 max schmeling
2. KO 4 max baer
3. KO 1 buddy baer
4. TKO 8 arturo godoy
5. KO 8 James Braddock

sonny listons best preformances

1. TKO 1 wayne bethea
2. TKO 6 Mike De John
3. TKO 2 Cleveland Williams II
4. KO 1 Floyd Patterson
5. W 12 Eddie Machen

larry holmes best preformances

1. TKO 3 leon Spinx
2. W 12 Earnie shavers I
3. W 15 Ken Norton
4. TKO 13 Gerry Cooney
5. W 15 Trevor Berbick
Brockton, what are your thoughts on Marciano - Walcott 2 ?

my thoughts?

that was NOT the same walcott of the 1st fight. he walked into that ring scared to death and he fought like he was scared to death. in the ring, walcott was slower, much less agresive, basically he looked like shit. father time finally caught up to joe in the 2nd fight. he was ruined in the 1st marciano fight. felix boccichio said he looked at walcott as he entered the ring and walcott "looked scared and not ready."

- the way walcott fought in the 2nd marciano fight resembled spinx-tyson. walcott was scared to death of rockys right hand

bottom line: marciano hit him with a very hard right hand that floored walcott. why didnt walcott get up? he blacked out as the count went from 7-10 and because of this, he mis read the count and got up too late. it didnt matter, even if the fight continued marciano would have starched him out very soon. marciano defintley knocked him out with a legite punch though. there was no foul play involved.

what happened to the guns blazing, confident, aggresive jersey joe walcott of the 1st marciano fight?

Thats pretty much my take on the fight also . It was here in Chicago , before my time, but it caused a good deal of controversy I believe.

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 07 Apr 2006, 15:13

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:
silkov wrote:Duran...

1. Barkley
2. Leonard 1
3. Dejesus 3
4. Lampkin
5. Hagler

Bobby Chacon

1. Limon 4
2. Lopez
3. Boza 2
4. Olivares 1
5. Arguello

Saad Muhammad

1. Johnson 2
2. Lopez 1
3. Kates
4. Johnson 1
5. Lopez 1

silk,

with duran. dont u think leonard I has to be # 1??

- also with saad muhammad, wut about his classic first fight with john conteh? conteh put up perhaps the best preformance of his career

For me durans win over Barkley eclipses his win over Leonard because Duran was 38 against Barkley... fighting a much bigger younger man... the infighting skills that Duran showed against Iran was awesome... in the same way I'd put Ali's win over Foreman above his win over Liston... he was a better fighter against Liston but the acheivement was greater against Foreman....