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PostPosted: 14 Nov 2002, 10:17 

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where can i find it? also, i used to have teos, where can i get that one?


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PostPosted: 20 Nov 2002, 22:10 

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TEOFILO STEVENSON

CUBAN HEAVYWEIGHT
BORN: Jamaica, B.W.I. (?), 1952
HEIGHT: 194 cm
WEIGHT: ca. 225 lbs.
PARTIAL AMATEUR RECORD

Stevenson claims record of: W L
244 14


1971
Aug 3 Pablo Sarmiento (ARG) W 3 5-0 Pan-Am SF Cali, COL
Aug 7 Duane Bobick (USA) L 3 5-0 Pam-Am F Cali, COL

1972
Sep Ludwig Denerys (POL) KO 1 Olympics 1 Munich
Sep 5 Duane Bobick (USA) KO 3 Olympics QF Munich
Sep Peter Hussing (GFR) KO 2 Olympics SF Munich
Sep Ion Alexe (ROM) W/O Olympics F Munich
--- Ion Alexe (ROM) L 3 South America

1973
Jul Igor Vysotsky (USR) L 3 Cuba?

1974
May Eugeny Gorstov (USR) KO -
Aug Tshibangu Hweia (ZAI) W/O World 1 Havana
Aug Peter Hussing (GFR) KO 1 World QF Havana
Aug 28 Fatai Ayinia (Ayinla?) (NGR) W 3 World SF Havana
Aug 30 Marvin Stinson (USA) W 3 5-0 World F Havana

1975
Mar Angel Milan (CUB) W 3 Cuba
(Stevenson floored twice in above fight)

May Edocs (HUN) KO 1 Honved (15th) Bucharest
May Ivor Vykotoorov (Rus) W W/O Honved (15th) Bucharest
May Kokurin (USR) KO 1 Honved (15th) Bucharest
May Dascala (ROM) KO 1
Oct Gilbert Acuna (CRC) KO - Pan-Am QF Mexico
Oct Gair de Campos (BRA) KO - Pan-Am SF Mexico
Oct Michael Dokes (USA) W 3 Pan-Am F Mexico

1976
Apr 11 Igor Vysotsky (USR) LK 3 Minsk
Jul 26 Mamadou Drame (SEN) KO 2 0:58 Olympics 2 Montreal
Jul 28 Pekka Ruokola (FIN) KO 1 1:55 Olympics QF Montreal
Jul 29 John Tate (USA) KO 1 1:29 Olympics SF Montreal
Jul 31 Mircea Simon (ROM) KO 3 2:35 Olympics F Montreal

1977
--- Taylor (CUB) W 3
--- Quintero (CUB) W 3
--- Cesar (CUB) W 3
--- Roberto Gomez (CUB) KO 3
--- Maur. Realajano (SAL) KO 1
Jun Woody Clark (USA) KO 3
--- Angel Milan (CUB) W 3
--- Muller (GDR) KO -

1978
--- Jimmy Clark (USA) W 3
May 7 Joseph Henson(Adama Mensah?)(GHA) KO 1 World Belgrade,
YUG
May Tony Tubbs (USA) W 3 World Belgrade, YUG
May Carlos Rivera (VEN) KO 2 World SF Belgrade, YUG
May Dragomir Vujkovic (YUG) KO 1 World F Belgrade, YUG
Oct 7 Jimmy Clark (USA) KO -
--- Angel Milan (CUB) KO 2
--- Angel Millan (CUB) W 3

1979
--- Kaddour (ALG) KO 1
--- Werner Kohnert (GDR) W 3 3-2 Chemical Cup Halle, E. Ger.
--- Jurgen Fanghanel (PR) W 3 3-2 Chemical Cup Halle, E. Ger.
Jul Rufus "Bubba" Hadley (USA) KO 1 1:39 Pan-Am SF San Juan
Jul Narcisco Maldonado (PR) KO 1 2:18 Pan-Am F San Juan
--- Phil Brown (USA) W 3

Oct Stevenson was scheduled to compete in the Inaugural World Cup
Amateur Boxing
Tournament at Madison Square Garden, NY, during Oct 11 to 19, 1979,
but Cuba
withdrew from the competition

1980
Feb 10 Jimmy Clark (USA) W 3
Mar Ferenc Somodi (HUN) KO -
Apr Istvan Levai (HUN) KO 3
Jul 25 Solomon Ataga (NGR) KO 1 2:49 Olympics 1 Moscow
Jul 29 Grzegorz Skrzecz (POL) KO 3 2:12 Olympics QF Moscow
Jul 31 Istvan Lavai (HUN) W 3 5-0 Olympics SF Moscow
Aug 2 Pytor Zaev (USR) W 3 4-1 Olympics F Moscow

1981
No activity recorded

1982
Feb S. Kormilcyn (URS) W 3 5-0 Cordova Cardin Guantanamo, CUB
Mar Ulli Kaden (GDR) LF 1 DQ Chemical Cup Halle, GDR
May Francisco Damiani (ITA) L 3 0-5 World QF Munich
Nov 13 Tyrell Biggs (USA) KO 2 Dual Meet Reno, NV

1983
--- Ulli Kaden (GDR) L 3
Aug A. Lukstin (URS) ? Cordova Cardin confirmed?
Aug Alexander Krupin (USR) L 3 2-3 Cordova Cardin S. Cuba, CUB
Sep Graig Payne (USA) L 3 2-3 N. Amer. SF Houston

1984
Feb 18 Tyrell Biggs (USA) W 3 3-2 Dual Meet Reno, NV
Apr 1 Ulli Kaden (GDR) W 3 4-1 Tourn Halle, GDR
Apr 13 Biagio Chianese (ITA) W 3 5-0 Exhibition Los Angeles, CA
May C.H. Geus (FRG) KO 2 Intercup Karlsruhe, FRG
May 5 John Emimn (NED) KO 1 rsc Intercup Karlsruhe, FRG
Jul V. Abadzian (URS) KO 3 ret Friendly Games Havana, CUB
Jul Ulli Kaden (GDR) KO 2 Friendly Games Havana, CUB
Aug 24 Valeri Abadzhian (USR) KO 2 End
Sep Ulli Kaden (GDR) KO 2
--- Felix Lemus (CUB) W 3

1985
Aug V. Jakovlev (URS) L 3 0-5 East. Military Bydgoszcz, POL
Oct S. Kormilcyn (URS) W 3 5-0 TSC Berlin Berlin, GDR
Oct Ulli Kaden (GDR) W 3 5-0 TSC Berlin Berlin, GDR
Oct Biagio Chianese (ITA) W w/o Prochazka Mem. Ostrava, TCH


1986
Jan Felix Lemus (CUB) KO 3 ret Playa Giron Las lajas, CUB
Feb A. Burmistrov (BUL) W 3 4-1 Strandzata Sofia, BUL
Feb P. Stojmenov (BUL) KO 2 Strandzata Sofia, BUL
Feb L. Kamenov (BUL) W 3 5-0 Strandzata Sofia, BUL
Mar Ulli Kaden (GDR) L 3 0-5 Chemical Cup Halle, GDR
Mar I. Levai (HUN) W 3 5-0 Grand Prix Usti, TCH
May O. Castillo (CUB) L 3 1-4 Cordova Cardin Guantanamo, CUB
May Ulli Kaden (GDR) W 3 5-0 World Reno, NV
May P. Stomenov (BUL) KO 1 World Reno, NV
May V. Jakovlev (URS) W 3 4-1 World Reno, NV
May A. Garcia (USA) KO 2 rsch World F Reno, NV

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Note 1983 Giraldo Cordova Cardin Tornament in Cuba was the 16th


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PostPosted: 20 Nov 2002, 22:12 

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I got that record from Mike DeLisa a while back, maybe he has Jorge Luis Gonzalez's too.


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PostPosted: 25 Nov 2002, 14:56 

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DO YOU HVE AN EMAIL 4 MR DELISA?


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PostPosted: 29 Nov 2002, 20:09 

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Jorge Luis Gonzalez
1983 pan-american super heavyweight champion
1986 central american & caribbean super heavyweight champion
1987 pan-american super heavyweight champion

Teofilo Stevenson
1972 olympic heavyweight champion
1972 val barker cup
1974 central american & caribbean heavyweight champion
1974 world heavyweight champion
1975 pan-american heavyweight champion
1976 olympic heavyweight champion
1978 world heavyweight champion
1979 pan-american heavyweight champion
1980 olympic heavyweight champion
1982 central american & caribbean super heavyweight champion
1986 world super heavyweight champion


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PostPosted: 25 Jan 2003, 13:42 

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the fact that jorge held such a prestigious title in 1983 virtually confirms he was much older than he claimed.

in 1995 they were calling him 30 yet in 1983 he was the pan americna champ? a pretty lofty accomplishment for an 18 yr old dontchu think.

i reckon he was 35 in 1995, he sure looked it, although steve holdsworth reckons he was 36.

doesnt matter being mid to late 30s these days, training seems more advanced and breeds longer lasting fighters it seems. jorges problem was his refusal to learn and train, thus develop into an excellent heavy.

damn shame. i loved jorge. would have been great for the game.


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PostPosted: 25 Jan 2003, 15:16 

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overhand_right wrote:
the fact that jorge held such a prestigious title in 1983 virtually confirms he was much older than he claimed.

in 1995 they were calling him 30 yet in 1983 he was the pan american champ? a pretty lofty accomplishment for an 18 yr old dontchu think.

i reckon he was 35 in 1995, he sure looked it, although steve holdsworth reckons he was 36.

doesnt matter being mid to late 30s these days, training seems more advanced and breeds longer lasting fighters it seems. jorges problem was his refusal to learn and train, thus develop into an excellent heavy.

damn shame. i loved jorge. would have been great for the game.


It IS an accomplishment. But considering the Cuban program and the fact that he was amongst its top heavies in the 80s, it is hardly inconcieveable that he could have won it at 18.

The REAL shame is that:

1) He didn't get to fulfill his destiny due to the boycotts. He would have won at least one, maybe two olympic championships. His ledger would look a lot better with a couple of golds or one gold and a silver or bronze. Hell, with two golds he would have been treated better by the Cuban government. He might not have defected and he could have been shooting for his third Pan-Am and Olympic titles at the same time he was starting his pro career.

2) He did turn pro with the class of 84 due to Cuban communism. He was an amatuer too long and this is another reason he didn't make it as a pro.


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PostPosted: 26 Jan 2003, 10:15 

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what so are you saying he WAS 18 when he won the title in 1983?

which means he WAS always telling the truth about his age?

this goes against what alot of people who (like you) really know their amateur game. the general belief was that they took either 5 or 6 years off his age when he turned pro in 1991.

in 1991 when he turned pro they claimed he was 26. looking at tapes of him from that time, there is no way that man is 26... 32 seems far more realistic. hell, with his receding hairline he looks even older.


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PostPosted: 26 Jan 2003, 15:06 

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overhand_right wrote:
what so are you saying he WAS 18 when he won the title in 1983?

which means he WAS always telling the truth about his age?

this goes against what alot of people who (like you) really know their amateur game. the general belief was that they took either 5 or 6 years off his age when he turned pro in 1991.

in 1991 when he turned pro they claimed he was 26. looking at tapes of him from that time, there is no way that man is 26... 32 seems far more realistic. hell, with his receding hairline he looks even older.


I am AGREEING that it would be a lofty accomplishment for an 18 year old BUT I am also saying that it is not inconcieveable to me that he could have won the Pan-Am Gold at that age. He was the one of the best (if not THE best) Cuban heavyweights of the 80s.

Cuban has the top amatuer boxing program in the world. Several Cubans have won many prestigious international tournaments at young ages. Why is it so incredible that he did too?

Three-time 175 titleholder Marvin Johnson would talk in his interviews about people calling him "old man" when he was still in his late teens.

MY OWN hairline started receding when I was 19.


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PostPosted: 07 Feb 2003, 05:35 
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More bouts are recorded in "In the Red Corner" published not long ago.

In the chapter "Teofilio Stevenson", the author takes you through his career.

Phil


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PostPosted: 11 Feb 2003, 19:44 
Jorge Luis Gonzalez, cuban
Born: Havana, Oct. 19, 1964

Record: Amateur: 233 fights; 220+, 13- (169 KO)

Amateurs Highlights:

1981 Cuban National Super-Heavyweight Championships: 2°
- Angel Milián (CUB)
1982 Cuban National Super-Heavyweight Championships: 2°
- Angel Milián (CUB)
1983 Cuban National Super-Heavyweight Championships: 1°
+ Epifanio Estrada (CUB)
1983 Panamerican Games Caracas Super-Heavyweight: 1°
+ Tyrrell Biggs (USA)
1985 Cuban National Super-Heavyweight Championships: 2°
- Felix Lemus (CUB)
1986 Central American & Caribbean Games Santiago de los Caballeros Super-Heavyweight: 1°
1987 Cuban National Super-Heavyweight Championships: 2°
- Leonardo Martínez Fizz (CUB)
1987: Panamerican Games Indianapolis Super-Heavyweight: 1°
+ Riddick Bowe (USA) points 4-3
+ Lennox Lewis (CAN) points
1987: C. North America Toronto Heavyweight:
- Lennox Lewis (CAN)
1988 Cuban National Super-Heavyweight Championships: 1°
+ Juan C. Ortega (CUB)

Gonzalez claims that he beats for points Teofilo Stevenson (CUB) 3 times in Cuba.
In April 1991, he defects cuban boxing team at Helsinki, Finland.


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PostPosted: 11 Feb 2003, 20:23 

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I know that he defeated him at least once, because the fight was on ABC-TV


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PostPosted: 23 Feb 2003, 19:12 

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this seems to be a big mystery.

most people who know their amateur game say jorge never ever fought teo, but rather sparred many many rds with him.

they swear he never fought him.


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PostPosted: 07 Mar 2003, 21:53 

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I didn't think that they had fought each other as well.


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PostPosted: 07 Mar 2003, 23:47 

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I thought it was Jorge. It was a long time ago. Was it Milan?


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PostPosted: 03 Sep 2003, 00:54 

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Jorge Luis Gonzalez, was a good cuban amateur boxer, but never the best.

Born in Havana (1964), he never beat to cubans numbers 2nd and 3rd, Angel Milián and Felix Lemus.

But he won gold medals when he was remplaced Teofilo Stevenson at international competitions in Caracas (1983), Santiago de los Caballeros(1986) and Indianapolis (1987), where he make his best performance beating amateurs Riddick Bowe and Lennox Lewis.

In April 1991, at 27, when Gonzalez defects cuban boxing team at Helsinki, his career had in declive because his displacement for news cuban boxers as Leonardo Martinez Fizz and Roberto Balado.

You can see his Amateur Record:

1981
L- Angel MILIAN RIVERO (CUB). Cuban National Super-Heavyweight Championships: 2°
L- Valeri ABADZIAN (URS). Cordova Cardin International Tourn., Super-Heavyweight: 3°

1982
L- Angel MILIAN RIVERO (CUB). Cuban National Super-Heavyweight Championships: 2°

1983
W- Epifanio ESTRADA (CUB). Cuban National Super-Heavyweight Championships: 1°
W- Halle's Chemical Cup Super-Heavyweight: 1°
L- Alexander KRUPKIN (URS). Cordova Cardin International Tourn., Super-Heavyweight: 3°
W- Tyrrell BIGGS (USA).
W- E. LOAIZA (VEN). Panamerican Games Caracas Super-Heavyweight: 1°

1984
L- Felix LEMUS (CUB). Cordova Cardin International Tourn., Super-Heavyweight: 2°

1985
L- Felix LEMUS (CUB). Cuban National Super-Heavyweight Championships: 2°
W- Alexander MIRONICHENKO (URS). Cordova Cardin International Tourn., Super-Heavyweight: 1°

1986
W- Francisco GARCIA (DOM), points 5-0. Central American & Caribbean Games Santiago de los Caballeros, Super-Heavyweight: 1°

1987
L- Leonardo MARTINEZ FIZZ (CUB). Cuban National Super-Heavyweight Championships: 2°
W- Halle's Chemical Cup Super-Heavyweight: 1°
W- Isaac BARRIENTOS (PUR). Cordova Cardin International Tourn., Super-Heavyweight: 1°
W- Riddick BOWE (USA) points 4-3.
W- Lennox LEWIS (CAN) points. Panamerican Games Indianapolis Super-Heavyweight: 1°
L- Lennox LEWIS (CAN). North America Championships Toronto Super-Heavyweight.

1988
W- Juan C. ORTEGA (CUB). Cuban National Super-Heavyweight Championships: 1°
W- Halle's Chemical Cup Super-Heavyweight: 1°
L- Leonardo MARTINEZ FIZZ (CUB). Cordova Cardin International Tourn., Super-Heavyweight: 2°

1989-1991
No more amateur titles


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PostPosted: 22 Oct 2003, 06:34 

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interesting stuff..... i have jorges early pro fights from 1991 and just looking at the man i'm more inclined to believe he reall was 32 and NOT 26 as his team claimed.

(how could comissions expect him to present a birth certificate when he had defected from cuba?)


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