52 fight challenge: Week 52 - Lennox Lewis vs Evander Holyfield I

Horse · Post by **Horse** » 27 Dec 2016, 08:30

Lennox Lewis vs Evander Holyfield I.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fetd79pNw8

Watch and discuss.

Horse · Post by **Horse** » 27 Dec 2016, 08:30

Horse · Post by **Horse** » 27 Dec 2016, 08:30

Supplementary fights.

Lennox Lewis vs Shannon Briggs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8Jqmcj8OKI

Evander Holyfield vs Alex Stewart I.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9k33px4y68Q

handsofstone · Post by **handsofstone** » 27 Dec 2016, 11:58

Just watched both Lewis/Holyfield fights recently so i'll sit this one out although i'll watch the supplementary fights

Lewis was jobbed in this fight,Holyfield was largely ineffective and took ages to get going

Boxerbeetle · Post by **Boxerbeetle** » 27 Dec 2016, 12:04

I've not watched either fight since watching them live, but my memory is that Lewis won the first fight comfortably but lost the rematch through complacency and inactivity, so I felt both decisions were actually wrong.

davie · Post by **davie** » 27 Dec 2016, 14:45

Aw shucks, I just scored this a couple weeks ago. Here's my card from the boxing history board

Lewis vs Holyfield 1

1. Lewis
2. Lewis
3. Lewis (Lederman gave him this round but I felt Lewis had controlled the majority barring a few Holyfield raiding attacks)
4. Lewis
5. Lewis
6. Lewis
7. Lewis
8. Lewis
9. Lewis
10. Holyfield
11. Lewis
12. Lewis

I never scored it when I watched it first time round but felt Lewis was easily about 4 rounds ahead
I'm sure I've watched it since but don't think I scored it but I don't remember thinking it was this wide, I barely gave Holyfield the 10th. I re-watched the 3rd but don't feel Holyfield did enough to nick it, I could have scored it 10-10.
there were a couple later rounds that Lederman gave Holyfield that I considered giving 10-10, but I think I was being swayed by the commentary and after round analysis, I just felt Lewis was always in control

I have perhaps given this a touch wider than I should, Evander doesn't get a lot of credit for a good effort but that's how I called it.

I remember feeling sick at the result at the time but I think, viewing it again and scoring it, that was one of the most corrupt decisions and one of the most high profile and blatant robberies I've ever seen

davie · Post by **davie** » 27 Dec 2016, 14:46

Boxerbeetle wrote:I've not watched either fight since watching them live, but my memory is that Lewis won the first fight comfortably but lost the rematch through complacency and inactivity, so I felt both decisions were actually wrong.

I might watch the rematch tonight and post my scorecard on here, I remember feeling it was a much closer fight but still had Lewis winning.

However I wasn't scoring it, I was a drunken teenage fan screaming "knock his fornicating head off Lennox" at my mates tele, so I might have taken a slightly biased view of proceedings.

Horse · Post by **Horse** » 27 Dec 2016, 15:58

Lewis - Holyfield

1. 10 - 9
2. 10 - 9
3. 9 - 10
4. 10 - 9
5. 10 - 9
6. 10 - 9
7. 10 - 9
8. 10 - 9
9. 10 - 10
10. 9 - 10
11. 10 - 9
12. 10 - 9

118-111 Lewis

Terrible decision.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 27 Dec 2016, 16:13

Poor fights. Lewis winning both soundly. I was an Evander fanboy, and at the time hated watching these fights. Lewis effective but it was disappointing Lennox being content to just neutralise. Long reach and minimal activity.

Part one threatened to explode. Evanderdid have a great third but then seemed to give up. Lewis had him stunned in the fifth, I've never seen such an expression of shock on the Warrior's face, but wouldn't follow through. More feints than punches but Lewis in command.

davie · Post by **davie** » 27 Dec 2016, 16:26

Horse wrote:Lewis - Holyfield

1. 10 - 9
2. 10 - 9
3. 9 - 10
4. 10 - 9
5. 10 - 9
6. 10 - 9
7. 10 - 9
8. 10 - 9
9. 10 - 10
10. 9 - 10
11. 10 - 9
12. 10 - 9

118-111 Lewis

Terrible decision.

It was the first time I'd left been feeling that hollow feeling you get after watching an absolute robbery.
Lennox was probably the first man that truly got me into boxing and I was a huge fan, I had a lot invested in those bouts and watching this effrontery felt like a personal insult
I was at a mates house, well-oiled (I was 19, so I'd probably had 3 cans) and right up for the big fight night. I didn't score it at the time but anyone with eyes knew who won that fight. I was sickened at the outcome.
There's bad decisions where you suspect foul play but know that it was a close fight and you can understand a bad decision.
But this was flat out cheating and corruption of the highest order. I couldn't even make a case for Stanley Christodoulou's card giving it to Lennox by 116-113. To me the only explanation was not only cheating but all judges had been paid off handsomely to rig an outcome. We should have refused Larry O'Connell entry back into the country.

Watching it back it's wider than I remembered, it wasn't a one sided win, it was a virtual white wash on my card, even the HBO commetary team said directly after the cards were read out that we'd witnessed "A travesty, an outrage, a highway robbery, Lennox Lewis has just been robbed of the undisputed heavyweight championship of the world, he won it and he didn't get it." "it's a fix job"

davie · Post by **davie** » 27 Dec 2016, 17:34

Lewis vs Holyfield II

1. 10 - 9 Lewis, clear round, sharp jab and a couple of right hands got through. Controlled Holyfield well and kept off some wild swings
2. 10 - 9 Lewis, another clear round, good control with the left again and keeping Holyfield where he needs him for now
3. 10 - 9 Lewis, a slightly more open round, Holyfield getting through with a right and a left hook but otherwise, Lewis in control
4. 10 - 9 Lewis, another close round with Holyfield having success in spurts. Lewis still leading and a good right on the bell
5. 10 - 10, the 2 best shots of the round were Holyfield left hooks but Lewis did the majority again, maybe enough to give Evander a share
6. 9 - 10 Holyfield. probably close to even on punches landed but Holyfield dictating the tempo of the fight and making it suit him
7. 9 - 10 Holyfield best round of either fight, Lewis started well and had a strong finish but the majority of the round was Holyfield giving a fine example of how to get in about a bigger man
8. 10 - 9 Lewis, maybe getting into more of a fight that Steward would have liked him to, but got the better of the exchanges and some good combos
9. 9 - 10 Holyfield great round, could go either way. Holyfield did all the right things moving in with double jabs, slipping and countering with left hooks and overhand rights. Lewis catches him coming in with right uppercuts a risky but effective move, need to keep him off with the jab though
10. 10 - 9 Lewis much more composed by Lennox and kept Holyfield at bay, couple of really slick flashy shots from Lennox too. Would like to see him get his hand up better though. lets one or two get through
11. 10 - 9 Lewis controls the early part then tries to put some impressive stuff in late. Holyfield needs the stoppage
12. 9 - 10 Holyfield good last round could have gone either way. Lewis obviously wanted to leave nothing to chance, but I'd have liked to have seen him see it out cautiously behind the jab

116-113 Lewis. Judges got it absolutely bang on, at an absolute stretch I could have seen it go a couple rounds either side of my card.

Better fight than I remember and closer than the first one. The blood thirsty fan in me preferred the middle rounds where they had a scrap, but those rounds favoured Holyfield. Lewis had his success mixing it up but Holyfield is very impressive getting counters off then mixing it up inside with hooks

But the Lewis fan was screaming for Lewis to do the right think and keep control of Holyfield and keep him at range. The jab won him both fights and it angered me when Lewis started neglecting it at times after the halfway mark, he obviously wanted to make a point and put on a show but it cost him rounds and shipped punches he didn't need to take. Another punch I liked was that right uppercut, I think he could have had more success using it as Holyfield was steaming in.

davie · Post by **davie** » 27 Dec 2016, 17:37

Autobarn wrote:Poor fights. Lewis winning both soundly. I was an Evander fanboy, and at the time hated watching these fights. Lewis effective but it was disappointing Lennox being content to just neutralise. Long reach and minimal activity.

Part one threatened to explode. Evanderdid have a great third but then seemed to give up. Lewis had him stunned in the fifth, I've never seen such an expression of shock on the Warrior's face, but wouldn't follow through. More feints than punches but Lewis in command.

Maybe that's where we differ because as a die hard Lewis supporter I really enjoyed both fights at the time and again this week.

They weren't out and out wars, but classic heavyweight clashes between 2 big men.

agruably the last clash between 2 great heavyweights

Horse · Post by **Horse** » 27 Dec 2016, 19:10

Lewis - Briggs

1. 9 - 10
2. 9 - 10
3. 10 - 9
4. 10 - 7
5. - - - TKO

38-36 Lewis

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Holyfield - Stewart

1. 10 - 9
2. 10 - 9
3. 10 - 10
4. 10 - 9
5. 9 - 10
6. 10 - 9
7. 10 - 9
8. - - - TKO

69-65 Holyfield

Both good fights, with the losers doing pretty well to begin with, before taking a battering towards the end.

Stuarty · Post by **Stuarty** » 27 Dec 2016, 19:19

Horse wrote:Lewis - Briggs

1. 9 - 10
2. 9 - 10
3. 10 - 9
4. 10 - 7
5. - - - TKO

38-36 Lewis

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Holyfield - Stewart

1. 10 - 9
2. 10 - 9
3. 10 - 10
4. 10 - 9
5. 9 - 10
6. 10 - 9
7. 10 - 9
8. - - - TKO

69-65 Holyfield

Both good fights, with the losers doing pretty well to begin with, before taking a battering towards the end.

Well done with your 52 week challenge Horse. I've not watched as many fights as I'd like to but good going

Boxerbeetle · Post by **Boxerbeetle** » 27 Dec 2016, 19:22

Stuarty30 wrote:
Horse wrote:Lewis - Briggs

1. 9 - 10
2. 9 - 10
3. 10 - 9
4. 10 - 7
5. - - - TKO

38-36 Lewis

--------------------------

Holyfield - Stewart

1. 10 - 9
2. 10 - 9
3. 10 - 10
4. 10 - 9
5. 9 - 10
6. 10 - 9
7. 10 - 9
8. - - - TKO

69-65 Holyfield

Both good fights, with the losers doing pretty well to begin with, before taking a battering towards the end.
Well done with your 52 week challenge Horse. I've not watched as many fights as I'd like to but good going

X2. I've had a seriously busy year and so haven't been able to contribute much, but I've enjoyed reading everyone's opinions and scores. Well done Horse, excellent thread.

davie · Post by **davie** » 27 Dec 2016, 19:30

Lewis vs Briggs

1. 9 - 10 Briggs, unbelievable scenes. Fast opening round, bizarre to watch a young quick Cannon
2. 9 - 10 Briggs, Drawing mistakes from Lewis, who is being sloppy. Briggs taking the sting out of Lewis's shots and launching fast attacks that surprising Lennox, don't think he expected him to be so confident and brave
3. 10 - 9 Lewis, hardly missed with a shot all round, very effective and accurate throughout and picked the right punches
4. 10 - 7 Lewis, good round, good action and good knockdowns
5. KO

I enjoyed that

jameswilson · Post by **jameswilson** » 27 Dec 2016, 20:12

Lewis's power in some of his fights was a thing to behold at times. Just lifts Briggs off of his feet with one of the knockdowns.

Stuarty · Post by **Stuarty** » 27 Dec 2016, 21:54

Lewis was better in the first fight but I had him winning the second fight comfortably also. Even if it the fight was close Lewis was always gonna get the decision because of the uproar after the first shambles! It was a case of a good big guy beating a good little guy here. 'Good' maybe doesn't do the two of em justice! Legends the two of em! Holyfield was a hero of mine growing up!

Stuarty · Post by **Stuarty** » 27 Dec 2016, 22:07

Just finished watching this fight again for only the third time I think! Remember watching it live and thinking Lewis got stiffed. Watching it there again it was an absolute stitch up! Wasn't even a close fight!

Lenny · Post by **Lenny** » 28 Dec 2016, 12:02

At least she spend a few years away from judging after the decision. In Britain, she'd probably have found herself working the following weekend

One of the most high profile fixes of recent times. No other term for it, you can't make a case of Lewis not winning that fight

Monte Fisto · Post by **Monte Fisto** » 28 Dec 2016, 13:04

Re watching now, and its way wider than i even remember it. Watching live on TV was hugely nerve-racking for me as i really wanted Lewis to win. Lewis really did the business that night. He looked so focussed for this fight I'm not sure anyone would've beat him that night. Holyfield took some huge shots.

Hats off to Horse for these threads. A gigantic Fight to finish on as well.

Monte Fisto · Post by **Monte Fisto** » 28 Dec 2016, 13:06

Lewis vs Briggs is great entertainment. Rd 4 of that fight is majestic from Lennox.

garethhop · Post by **garethhop** » 28 Dec 2016, 13:48

Brilliant performance from Lennox. First time today I've seen that.

I had it 118-110 and it is possible to go wider.

Worst two cards I've ever seen.

Well done Horse for putting this together.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 28 Dec 2016, 15:55

davie wrote:
Horse wrote:Lewis - Holyfield

1. 10 - 9
2. 10 - 9
3. 9 - 10
4. 10 - 9
5. 10 - 9
6. 10 - 9
7. 10 - 9
8. 10 - 9
9. 10 - 10
10. 9 - 10
11. 10 - 9
12. 10 - 9

118-111 Lewis

Terrible decision.
It was the first time I'd left been feeling that hollow feeling you get after watching an absolute robbery.
Lennox was probably the first man that truly got me into boxing and I was a huge fan, I had a lot invested in those bouts and watching this effrontery felt like a personal insult
I was at a mates house, well-oiled (I was 19, so I'd probably had 3 cans) and right up for the big fight night. I didn't score it at the time but anyone with eyes knew who won that fight. I was sickened at the outcome.
There's bad decisions where you suspect foul play but know that it was a close fight and you can understand a bad decision.
But this was flat out cheating and corruption of the highest order. I couldn't even make a case for Stanley Christodoulou's card giving it to Lennox by 116-113. To me the only explanation was not only cheating but all judges had been paid off handsomely to rig an outcome. We should have refused Larry O'Connell entry back into the country.

Watching it back it's wider than I remembered, it wasn't a one sided win, it was a virtual white wash on my card, even the HBO commetary team said directly after the cards were read out that we'd witnessed "A travesty, an outrage, a highway robbery, Lennox Lewis has just been robbed of the undisputed heavyweight championship of the world, he won it and he didn't get it." "it's a fix job"

the sympathy did help to make him more of a household name though. He was in the news and on tv shows more in the aftermath. And the sympathy angle may have made this figure, considered aloof at the time, more accessible.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 28 Dec 2016, 15:56

95gerog wrote:Lewis vs Briggs is great entertainment. Rd 4 of that fight is majestic from Lennox.

Great, wild, messy fun. As is Lewis v Vitali.

Lewis' right hands, once he timed them, were crunching shots with the entire weight of his body behind them.

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