Emaster wrote:Having started a discussion
on the main wiki's Referee technical decision page, I changed the article on Referee technical decision
based on this thread's discussion, but it has been changed back for the lack of a reliable source. On asking for a source that says that RTD means Referee technical decision, this page
was provided. It claims: "RTD = Referee technical decision, when a boxer or his corner refuse to continue a fight."
Is there any counterevidence we could offer?
Blue wrote:RTD = Retired is in Abbreviations and Definitions,
page 11 of the British Boxing Yearbook 1985
It is also in the Boxing News Annuals and Pugilato record books
IMO, the boxer’s page (Miguel Cotto) quoted above is probably run by his publicist
and not an acceptable reference unless they can quote a bonafide source.
There hasn't been a reply in the main wiki since I mentioned the sources Blue provided. A sound online source which says that RTD means "Retired" would be helpful.
BTW: Other threads have been devoted to the RTD question as well:
- What is an RTD?
- Chris Byrd RTD Vitaly Klitchko? Explain please.
- What does RTD mean?
- WRONG TIMES ON RTD WOMAN FIGHT
- RTD = BS
- WHATS THE DEFINITION OF "RETIRED"?
- RTD - Tszyu
Some excerpts which explain the introduction of RTD:
AntonS wrote:[RTD] was introduced because decision differs from one regulating or title governing body to another.
Blue wrote:The main difference between RTD and a TKO is...
A TKO is fight action stopped by the referee while the clock was running.
A RTD is a fight stopped by the referee while the clock is stopped in between rounds.
There is no physical activity taking place.
Both are technically knock outs and are recorded in the stoppage column. The majority of the ABC Commissions record the stoppage between rounds as 3:00 of the ending round action and
Florida (0:00), Illinois (0:01), Indiana (0:00) and Texas (0:10) mark the time of stoppage differently in the following round.
Mexico, Nicaragua, Europe & Africa all do the ceremonial count out on the stool and mark it as 0:10 of the incoming round.
(Not sure about Asia.)
John wrote:There is really no argument here as a RTD is a type of TKO just as a TKO is a subset of KO (stoppage) or a MD is a subset of PTS.
I introduced RTD at the request of the British Boxing Board of Control as they wanted more accuracy in their reports than was already in place for the USA commissions.
So it also seemed a good idea (to me) to use it in the USA to reduce the confusion that arose from different commissions recording between round stoppages in different ways. We are not changing their official results, we are recording them with a degree more accuracy and introducing consistency.