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1. On which date was Hector Javier Velazco upgraded from WBO middleweight interim world champion to full WBO middleweight world champion? And on which date did Harry Simon, Velazco's predecessor, abandon the title? The succession box on Velazco's wiki page shows June 29, 2003 to be the date his reign began while the WBO middleweight lineage states May 10, 2003, the day Velazco won the interim title. Only in July 2003 did Simon's reign end according to the succession box on his wiki page.

3. Is it true that Adonis Rivas won the interim version of the WBO flyweight world title on May 4, 2002 although the full version of the title was vacant at that time? On which date was Rivas upgraded to full champion? Was he upgraded at all before he was defeated by Omar Andres Narvaez on July 13, 2002 with the full title at stake? Or was the title vacant prior to the bout, Rivas entering the ring as an interim champion? Both the WBO flyweight lineage and the succession box on Rivas's wiki page claim May 4, 2002 was the date his full reign commenced.

4. Is Armand Krajnc's reign split? He abandoned his WBO middleweight world title in June 2001 (June 2 according to the succession box on his wiki page, June 4 according to the BoxRec entry on his preceding fight) but was later reappointed champion by the WBO. If his reign is split as a result, on which date did he really relinquish his title and on which date did he get it back? The WBO middleweight lineage suggests Krajnc's vacating of the title was declared void after he had been given the title back, showing one uninterrupted reign.

5. After Erik Morales had defeated then-WBO super bantamweight champion Marco Antonio Barrera on February 19, 2000 he was refused Barrera's title by the WBO according to Morales's wiki page. Furthermore, Barrera was given the title back.

Does that mean that Morales was immediately stripped of the title he had just won and that Barrera was reawarded the title without having to regain it in the ring? If this is true, on which date was Morales stripped of the title and on which date was Barrera reappointed champion?

Or was the fight retroactively made a nontitle affair so that Barrera kept the title without gaining a successful title defense against Morales?

Or did the fight even count as a successful title defense for Barrera although he had lost the fight?

Morales vacated the title himself according to this fight page, which is supported by the WBO super bantamweight lineage, which also claims Barrera's third reign only started on June 17, 2000 when he next defended the title.

6. According to the WBO minimumweight lineage and the succession boxes on Ricardo Lopez and Eric Jamili's wiki pages, the former relinquished his WBO minimumweight world title on March 6, 1998, which is explained on this fight page, while the latter won it on December 19, 1997. Jamili's BoxRec page shows the vacant full version of the WBO minimumweight world title to be at stake in his fight on December 19, 1997. Was it the interim title instead? Or has the fight retroactively been declared a (full) title fight? If so, which date was determined to mark the end of Lopez's reign?

7. According to page 72 of the WBO Convention Magazine (2008), which had once been presented on the official WBO site, Greg Haugen was "stripped of [his WBO junior welterweight] Title for Failure to Pass Drug Test." This happened after his first bout with then-titlist Hector Camacho on February 23, 1991. That's why the vacant title may have been at stake in their rematch on May 18, 1991. The title is not marked vacant in BoxRec, though. Or had the title been reawarded to Camacho prior to the rematch? Has the result of his first fight with Haugen even been declared a No Contest and Haugen's reign void?

8. Some data in this encyclopaedia differ from those given on pages 70 - 74 of the aforementioned WBO Convention Magazine.

As to the dates on which reigns began or ended:

Cruiserweight champion Dariusz Michalczewski's reign ended in Jan 1995 according to this encyclopaedia, in Dec 1994 according to the WBO's Convention Magazine.

Cruiserweight champion Johnny Nelson's reign ended on Sep 22, 2006 according to this encyclopaedia, in Oct 2006 according to the WBO's Convention Magazine.

Cruiserweight champion Enzo Maccarinelli's reign either began on Jul 8, 2006 (the date on which he won the interim title) or Sep 22, 2006 according to this encyclopaedia, in Oct 2006 according to the WBO's Convention Magazine.

Light Heavyweight champion Michael Moorer's reign ended on May 9, 1991 according to this encyclopaedia, on Jan 1, 1991 according to the WBO's Convention Magazine.

Super Middleweight champion Thomas Hearns's reign ended on Apr 28, 1990 according to this encyclopaedia, on Apr 4, 1991 according to the WBO's Convention Magazine.

Super Middleweight champion Steve Collins's reign ended on Jul 5, 1997 according to this encyclopaedia, on Oct 2, 1997 according to the WBO's Convention Magazine.

Super Middleweight champion Joe Calzaghe's reign ended on Sep 26, 2008 according to this encyclopaedia, on Sep 24, 2008 according to the WBO's Convention Magazine.

Middleweight champion Otis Grant's reign ended in 1998 according to this encyclopaedia, on Oct 19, 1997 according to the WBO's Convention Magazine.

Light Middleweight champion John David Jackson's reign ended on Oct 30, 1993 according to this encyclopaedia, on Oct 1, 1993 according to the WBO's Convention Magazine.

Light Welterweight champion Hector Camacho's second reign ended in 1992 according to this encyclopaedia, on Sep 12, 1992 according to the WBO's Convention Magazine (not a contradiction but a specification).

Light Welterweight champion Miguel Angel Cotto's reign ended on Oct 27, 2006 according to this encyclopaedia, in Jul 2006 according to the WBO's Convention Magazine.

Super Featherweight champion Acelino Freitas's reign ended on Jan 15, 2004 according to this encyclopaedia, on Apr 9, 2003 according to the WBO's Convention Magazine.

Super Featherweight champion Joan Guzman's reign ended on May 15, 2008 according to this encyclopaedia, on May 12, 2008 according to the WBO's Convention Magazine.

Super Featherweight champion Alex Arthur's reign began on May 15, 2008 according to this encyclopaedia, on May 12, 2008 according to the WBO's Convention Magazine.

Featherweight champion Jorge Paez's reign ended in 1991 according to this encyclopaedia, on Sep 22, 1990 according to the WBO's Convention Magazine.

Featherweight champion Naseem Hamed's reign ended on Sep 30, 2000 according to this encyclopaedia, on Oct 1, 2000 according to the WBO's Convention Magazine.

Featherweight champion Scott Harrison's second reign ended in Jun 2006 according to this encyclopaedia, on Dec 6, 2006 according to the WBO's Convention Magazine.

Featherweight champion Juan Manuel Marquez's reign ended on Apr 1, 2007 according to this encyclopaedia, in Jan 2007 according to the WBO's Convention Magazine.

Super Bantamweight champion Joan Guzman's reign ended in Jul 2005 according to this encyclopaedia, on Aug 26, 2005 according to the WBO's Convention Magazine.

Bantamweight champion Johnny Tapia's reign ended in Sep 2000 according to this encyclopaedia, on Jun 1, 2000 according to the WBO's Convention Magazine.

Minimumweight champion Rafael Torres's reign ended in 1993 according to this encyclopaedia, in Dec 1990 according to the WBO's Convention Magazine.

Minimumweight champion Ivan Calderon's reign ended in Sep, 2007 according to this encyclopaedia, in Aug 2007 according to the WBO's Convention Magazine.

As to the way reigns have ended:

Heavyweight champion Ray Mercer either vacated or was stripped of his title according to this encyclopaedia; he vacated it according to the WBO's Convention Magazine.

Heavyweight champion Riddick Bowe was stripped of his title according to this encyclopaedia, but vacated it according to the WBO's Convention Magazine.

Middleweight champion Harry Simon either vacated his title or retired according to this encyclopaedia; he vacated his title according to the WBO's Convention Magazine.

Welterweight champion Genaro Leon vacated his title according to this encyclopaedia, but was stripped of it according to the WBO's Convention Magazine.

Welterweight champion Gert Bo Jacobsen vacated his title according to this encyclopaedia, but was stripped of it according to the WBO's Convention Magazine.

Welterweight champion Jose Luis Lopez vacated his title according to this encyclopaedia, but was stripped of it according to the WBO's Convention Magazine.

Welterweight champion Michael Loewe vacated his title according to this encyclopaedia, but retired according to the WBO's Convention Magazine.

Light Welterweight champion Ener Julio was stripped of his title according to this encyclopaedia, but vacated it according to the WBO's Convention Magazine.

Super Featherweight champion Regilio Tuur vacated his title according to this encyclopaedia, but retired according to the WBO's Convention Magazine.

Bantamweight champion Robbie Regan vacated his title according to this encyclopaedia, but was stripped of it according to the WBO's Convention Magazine.

Light Flyweight champion Michael Carbajal was stripped of his first title according to this encyclopaedia, but vacated it according to the WBO's Convention Magazine.

Light Flyweight champion Masibulele Makepula was stripped of his title according to this encyclopaedia, but vacated it according to the WBO's Convention Magazine.

As to the number of title defenses accomplished:

Welterweight champion Gert Bo Jacobsen never defended his title according to this encyclopaedia, but six times according to the WBO's Convention Magazine.

Light Welterweight champion Zack Padilla defended his title four times according to this encyclopaedia, but five times according to the WBO's Convention Magazine.

Bantamweight champion Israel Contreras defended his title once according to this encyclopaedia, but three times according to the WBO's Convention Magazine.

Super Flyweight champion Johnny Tapia defended his title 13 times according to this encyclopaedia, but twelve times according to the WBO's Convention Magazine.

--Emaster

Emaster, when I started adding the sortable tables to these wikis I just took the information that was already there. I'm not sure if it came from the main wikipedia site or from peoples best guesses as to if somebody vacated or was stripped of the title and when. If you consider the WBO Convention Magazine more accurate and reliable, feel free to use their dates. I would think that the WBO Convention Magazines dates are probably more accurate than what's already here. The info comes from the WBO, how more accurate and reliable can you get. As for the number of defenses some champions had, a little more research should be done. I would ask that question in the records section in the BoxRec forum. Apparently some title fights are not marked in the database.--Rowdytimothy 21:47, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

I just wanted to give everyone the opportunity to see where the WBO's official data disagree with data already entered into the encyclopaedia. Having scrutinized the crucial pages in their Convention Magazine I must say, though, that its presentation of the data looks rather sloppy; thus their own information is likely to be inaccurate and unreliable.--Emaster 22:24, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

See also

  • Montiel vs. Hasegawa for WBO title? [1] (and later posts)
  • WBO light flyweight title situation [2]
  • WBO super championship [3]
  • Fights for vacant or nonvacant (interim) world titles? [4]
  • Title or nontitle fight if one contestant is overweight? [5]

--Emaster