User talk:Brizel

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"Fight Code"

When creating a fight page, remember to add the "fight code" at the very top of the page. The fight code is the fight number (which you can see at the top of any fight page) contained within "fight" code tags, like this: <fight>12345</fight>

The fight code will automatically insert the names of the boxers, result, location, and date. You can then add other text and images. You can get other instructions and help here.
--Rowdytimothy 13:23, 16 March 2008 (CDT)

Please don't sign your name to the end of articles and give subjective opinions in the articles. Otherwise, your work thus far is much appreciated.--Matt Tegen 15:35, 17 March 2008 (CDT)


"Fight Code"

You are still not inserting the fight code. Could you please do so, as it will help out you fellow editors. Thank you.--Rowdytimothy 17:12, 17 March 2008 (CDT)

You are inserting the fight code incorrectly. You must put the word fight in brackets around the number, like this <fight>12345</fight> or else only the number shows up. When it is done correctly and your edits saved, the names of the boxers, result, location, and date will appear. --Rowdytimothy 02:19, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Beware of Subjective Text

Brizel, as you know, this is an encyclopedia, where we report the facts only. It is not a magazine, where more latitude is given. So, beware of using subjective text, such as the "extremely exciting" language you used in Fight:16182, or "surprisingly" that you used in another bout description, or "This was a strategic, meticulous war" that you used for a third bout description. Those are not purely objective bout descriptions an encyclopedia requires. Also, it is spelled "a bit," not "abit." Thanks. --Ric 03:20, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Wasted Space

Why do you insert unnecessary "white space" between paragraphs, such as you inserted in this page? It's a complete waste of space, particularly if someone wants to print the page. Otherwise, good work. Thanks. (Also, have you tried using the "show preview" option, instead of making a dozen edits/saves in the course of a few minutes?) --Ric 05:24, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

"Fight Code"

You are still not inserting the fight code. Could you please do so. Thank you.--Rowdytimothy 18:14, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Subjective Text Again

Thanks for your great contributions. But I need to again ask you to beware of subjective text, such as you just included in Fight:1287875: "nice comeback" and "outclassed." It's one thing if you are quoting from a newspaper source or some other source, but an Editor's original text should not include such personal, subjective descriptions. Thanks in advance. --Ric 23:39, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Time-Dated Material

Also beware of entering "time-dated" material. These pages are designed to be read by visitors now and years from now. By entering text, such as "currently ranked #74"--much like you did in Fight:1286374--you risk this text becoming outdated. You can edit it to say "ranked #74 at the time of this bout"--that would be better. Also, it is BoxRec, not "the Boxrec." Or BoxRec.com would be preferable. But I do not believe that BoxRec wishes to "toot its own horn" by referring to boxers' BoxRec standings in its sister Wiki fight pages. I would think twice about doing that. --Ric 00:05, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

You Are Still Doing It: Subjective Text

Once again, as I saw in this page, where you described the bout as "heart breaking," you are entering subjective text in "fight pages" that reads more like something written by a ring-side reporter than by an objective ENCYCLOPEDIA contributor. Please remember that this Wiki Boxing Encyclopedia is NOT just another boxing Web site where reports of bouts can be found. It is an online encyclopedia (a compendium of facts and history). As such, it should be as objective, non-judgmental, and factual as possible--minus any "ringside reporter" bias, if you know what I mean. --Ric 03:22, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Subject of your articles

When creating articles about fights, can you actually write about the fights, instead of giving the boxers records and what world titles they held in the past. That sort of information is superfluous, and should be understood when coming from a boxers record. The intent of the wiki book for bouts, is to supply the user with additional information about the bout.--Matt Tegen 21:35, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

What Matt Said

I am deleting your text to Fight:1298680, as it was only a career recap to this date, which can already be ascertained by looking at the boxers' linked career records. The text did not describe the bout itself, which is the purpose of the fight pages. Your other pages of this nature have been deleted earlier by other Editors for the very same reasons--they did not describe the bout at all. --Ric 15:20, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Encyclopedia

Once again, pleasse remember this is an encyclopedia, not a collection of fan tribute boxer pages. When adding or editing text, please make it look like encyclopedia. (Seeking donations and saying "thank you" is not appropriate for an encyclopedia.) Also, please, please, please use the "Show preview" button when editing pages. You are constantly making very minute changes to text, then saving it, then making another extremely minute edit, then saving it, then making another edit, then saving it, then... you get the point. The "Show preview" option allows you to view a temporary page without saving it--until you are fully satisfied with your edits. Then you can "save page." Thank you in advance. (P.S. Do you ever respond to messages to you?) --Ric 21:23, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Travis Kauffman

Calling someone a white hope, especially in todays time, and without a source, as you did with Kauffman is pejorative. I deleted that comment.--Matt Tegen 18:09, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Once Again: Subjective Text

The edits you made to the Tye Fields vs. Monte Barrett seem somewhat unnecessary. Many border on the subjective, and you have been warned about this so many times that it is becoming tiresome. Also, you state the obvious when restating a fighter's record and who he has fought in the past. Finally, you still trying to get the hang of using the "Show preview" button, so that you do not have to make incremental minor edits every other minute? We appreciate your desire to contribute, but--once again--watch out for subjective text and stating the obvious. And try using that "Show Preview" button before saving every minor edit. --Ric 20:47, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Demers vs. Miranda

I apologize for removing your edits (I've never done that before), but I don't understand why you deleted all of the factual information I had inserted (titles in play, defenses, etc.) and replaced it with subjective analysis.--Reenthelawman 03:48, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Joel Julio vs Jose Varela

You write: " To his credit, Varela was game, and kept getting up, but he looked like a 'bouncing ball' that was simply taken a beating." This is subjective text and is not acceptable for an encyclopedia. Quit lowering the quality of the work you provide to this site, and stop adding this sort of drivel. Please respond as several editors are tiring of your behavior.--Matt Tegen 06:05, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Rubio vs. Ornelas comment

If this isn't opinionated, nothing is:

Judging by Rubio's winning performance at ringside, Pavlik would not have had an easier time of it on this fight card fighting the game Rubio instead of Bernard Hopkins.--Wouter 13:52, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Bute vs. Andrade

Brizel, I tried working with you, but it appears you refuse to understand the clear guidelines of the encyclopedia. I know I'm not an editor, and, as such, am quite prepared to have the pages I create be edited heavily (and even deleted) but your subjective edits are getting ridiculous. Please stop. We all devote a lot of time to the site, and its quite discouraging to have you ruin our efforts.--Reenthelawman 22:05, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

You Are Doing It Again

You were temporarily banned, until recently, because you refused to listen to, or respond to, criticism that your writing resembled more of a subjective short-story piece than an objective encyclopedia entry. The wiki here is a boxing encyclopedia, not a prose publication. Plus you always state the obvious: it's a 10-rounder; the venue, etc--all stuff that is obvious. Your most recent entry here demonstrates all that is "wrong" about your entries. When people have mentioned this to you in the past, you ignored them. (Do you not know how to respond to a message to your user page?) If this bad writing continues, you may be banned permanently.--Ric 05:08, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Deletions

Is there a reason that all the information previously saved on the Erislandy Lara bout and others was deleted so that you could add your bout summary? I am all for a collective effort in getting as much information out there as possible, but if you do choose to add something to a page that already exists and had data, there is no reason to delete out all the information that was previously there. --Sweetscientist 16:13, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Botha vs. Carrion

If you're trying to be neutral, try a bit harder. I don't think the description of the above mentioned fight (and many more for that matter) is up to encyclopaedic standards.--Wouter 11:36, 25 October 2009 (UTC) Hi. I'll try. You don't have an email, so I'm answering you here. Sincerely, Brizel.

You Still Don't Get It

Brizel, you do understand that this is not a boxing magazine, newspaper, or fan Web site, but a boxing encyclopedia. As such, descriptions of fights should be objective and to the point; they should not contain your personal opinions of the boxers' performances, or other subjective text. I and other Editors have reminded you of this time and again, but you still refuse to abide by our guidelines, as your recent fight page entries show. Perhaps if you lose your contributing privileges for a few months, you'll comply. I appreciate your enthusiasm, but your refusal to stop writing bout descriptions that read like an opinionated newspaper article is irksome.--Ric 01:21, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Adamek vs. Arreola

Come on Brizel, stop with the subjectivity. Calling the Klitschkos and Haye paper champions? If you want to command respect from others, why do you stoop to that?--Matt Tegen 23:22, 25 April 2010 (UTC)