- 1 Boxer Code & Biography Header
- 2 Boxer Page Formatting
- 3 Jewish Boxers
- 4 External Links
- 5 Putting results on pages and sources
- 6 Shine Forbes Page: Great Job!
- 7 "Previewing" Edits as You Work on a Page
- 8 Mickey Rouke page
- 9 Bruce Lee
- 10 Knocked Out
- 11 White Spaces
- 12 Image Use
- 13 Sherman Bergman
- 14 Dane Clark?
Boxer Code & Biography Header
When creating a boxer page, there is no need to manually insert all his profile stats (name, date of birth, height, etc.). Instead, just add the "boxer code" at the very top of the page. (But immediately beneath the code for any image of the boxer.) The boxer code is the number (which you can see at the top of any boxer's page, assuming you created the page coming from the BoxRec database). Put that number between tags, like this: <boxer>12345</boxer>
The boxer code will automatically insert the boxer's name, and all the other stats, from the BoxRec database. Whatever is there in the database. However, you have to manually enter the names of managers and trainers. Try it on the Kid Carew page you just edited.
You can get other instructions and help here.
Also, please do not use such HUGE FONT AND ALL CAPS for the Biography Header. What I used for a header for my comments here is of sufficient size (and does not use ALL CAPS). --Ric 18:42, 2 September 2006 (CDT)
Boxer Page Formatting
Please see my earlier message. Also, see what edits I made to the boxer pages you were working on yesterday. I moved the image code to the top of the page, and reduced its size (they are much TOO large) by inserting a "size code" within the image code itself. I also inserted the boxer code immediately beneath the image code, then inserted a "break code" between the boxer code and the bio factoids. Please do that with the pages you have been working on today. --Ric 11:27, 10 September 2006 (CDT)
Great job on inserting the "boxer code."
Also, if you know the boxer is Jewish/Hebrew, you should enter the "Jewish" category code: [[Category:Jewish Boxers|Last name, First name]]
Finally, please, reduce the font size (use double ==), and do not USE ALL CAPS, for the biography heading. --Ric 13:36, 10 September 2006 (CDT)
"External Links" refers to links to web sites OUTSIDE the wiki boxing encyclopedia. Thus, wiki boxing categories are not "external links." But you're catching on. Good work. --Ric 15:37, 10 September 2006 (CDT)
Putting results on pages and sources
Please, don't put already entered results on the pages. Results should only be posted, if they are omitted from the record. If that is the case, then you need to put those on the talk page, to highlight them, so editors can see them and determine whether to enter them.
Also, can you try and use sources where appropriate. You are putting up a lot of valuable information. However, you are not using sources, which lowers the value of a lot of what you are putting on there, because no one knows where you are getting this information. If you are proved to be false on information, by not sourcing it, you are putting yourself in a position to throw away the credibility of other information you have entered.--Matt Tegen 21:35, 15 September 2006 (CDT)
Shine Forbes Page: Great Job!
"Previewing" Edits as You Work on a Page
I've noticed that whenever you work on a page, you have countless edit "saves" in the Edit History (as can be seen by clicking on the "Recent changes" page in the Navigation box on each wiki page here). Why is that? Are you saving each minor edit as you work on a page? Do you know how to preview your work before making an edit save? Rather than click on the "Save Page" button after an edit (to see what the edit looks like), click the "Show preview" button instead. That will let you see what your edits will look like before saving them. Then, once you are satisfied with all your edits, you can click the "Save Page" button. --Ric 13:43, 8 October 2006 (CDT)
Mickey Rouke page
This is an example where too many bulleted factoids makes for what I consider a poor-looking page. It's OK to use the bulleted factoid format when there are only a few facts to list. But, as with the Rouke page, when you list about 30 or so facts, the better format is to write a paragraphed biography incorporating all those facts. --Ric 06:42, 15 October 2006 (CDT)
I deleted the Bruce Lee page, his life as it pertains to boxing is very limited. Besides, you can find enough information elsewhere on the web about Lee. If someone were interested in learning about Bruce Lee, this would be just about the last place to look for that information.--Matt Tegen 10:20, 16 October 2006 (CDT)
"Knocked out" is two words, not knockedout, as you always spell it. Please watch out for this. --Ric 12:51, 22 October 2006 (CDT)
Why do you create such hug "white space" gaps between paragraphs? Such as you have in the Hank Bergman page? One, the page doesn't look "pretty." Two, these gaps make for an unnecessarily long page. Three, when printed out, it's a waste of paper and still looks "ugly." --Ric 14:54, 10 November 2006 (CST)
For me, there are simply too many images in the Robert Ryan page for such a short page. Generally a page of this brevity merits only one image; you could then link to others. See the Bobby Leitham page, for example, to see how other images are linked to, and not actually placed on the relatively short page itself. (If you click on the Edit, you can see how the image code is tweaked to do this--by using a colon: in front of the word "image.")
The longer a page, the more it can accommodate another image. Otherwise the page is just too cluttered. I would get rid of that fuzzy one at the top-left and replace it with the third one now at the bottom-right.
Another point: photos should preferably be boxing-related. Having a page with two, three, or more non-boxing-themed images is a bit much. I'm thinking of all those Army images in Hank Bergman page.
Hey! Despite all my comments to you here, I still say you're doing a great job. As an Administrator here I appreciate all your research and work for the cause here. Thanks! --Ric 00:43, 11 November 2006 (CST)
Jusy to let you know that I deleted the Sherman Bergman page after discussion with the other editors as it is not really relevent to pro boxing. Sorry if you put a lot of work into it, regards, John
There was no policy that the fighters listed here had to be professionals. And yes, I did a lot of research-check the sources on the two pages you deleted. Makes no sense to me at all.
Should you delete the page for Salamo Arouch as well. He was an amateur, yet his place in history is important. Look at Ron Lipton, he never went pro either. I feel that amateur boxer are boxers & have a place here as well.
The problem is not that these pages concerned amateur boxers, although that may have been the stated reason John deleted your two Bergman pages. There recently has been suspicion that you are "not who you say you are." And that your two Bergman pages, particularly the Sherman one, may be bogus. There used to be someone who used the name "Dane Clark" (and the alias "Sherman Bergman") who entered a bunch of bogus material into the BoxRec database before he was banned. (And who is Acunaboy? You two seem to work on the same pages.) A regular and "News" Google search fails to turn up anything on Sherman Bergman except the main Wikipedia page you created. Perhaps you can scan an e-mail to an Administrator here some of your primary newspaper sources to confirm what you have been writing. --Ric 10:51, 3 December 2006 (CST)