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Does anyone know what the 'initial points' that the boxers get for their first rating calculation? I know the article says that all boxers get zero BEFORE their first fight, but using what appears to be a modified Elo Rating System, you MUST start with points in order to do a calculation, otherwise you will not gain any points if your opponent also has zero points. Thanks for the help...

Is 2.4 correct? Do they All-Time ratings include "active" boxers?

Yes, All-Time ratings include active boxers too.

Not sure how good your all-time heavyweight rankings are. You have Jack Sharkey and James Toney ranked well ahead of both Mike Tyson and Lennox Lewis. While all are certainly great names, Sharkey has 14 losses, Toney is a steriod user who naturally fought in lower weight classes. You have him ranked out of the top five now, but 17th all-time? Does that mean several heavies today are considered top ten all-time? I hope not. Tyson dominated as champ with one-round KOs over ranked opponents. Lewis rarely lost rounds as champ. So I have to question your criteria. You have Ken Norton, who won at least one fight with Muhammed Ali, 34th. The guy above him is non-belt holder Don Cockell. I'm sorry, your all-time rankings are very inconsistent by records and performance alone. Do you consider KO wins as champ over ranked opponents the same as decision wins overall? Please explain. Thanks. Also you have Ingemmar Johanssen 12th all-time with a record of 26-2. Below him is George Foreman at 76-5. Foreman had devastating KO wins over Joe Frazier and Ken Norton as champ and won several rounds from Muhammed Ali before losing. Johanssen never successfully defended his world belt. Again, please explain your criteria. Thanks.

All Time Ratings - Criteria

The all time ratings are the average of the top 5 years' ratings of a boxer. A top rank in the all time ratings so require consistent performance within at least top 5 years.

There is no counting of titles and belts. Also single results, such as A defeated B, are not determinating the ratings.

Active boxers are rated in their last weight division. So Toney might be rated in middleweight after retirement.

Losing bouts against good opposition is not punished as long these losses are compensated by big wins.

In general, regarding the rating rules, you just read the description.