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Inserting Asterisk

I guess I do not quite understand the question, Bert. You can't just type in an asterisk, or am I missing something more? What IS the purpose of the asterisk* anyway? --Ric 20:53, 16 November 2007 (CST)


Thank you so much for adding the info on Harry Smith! I was mainly looking to substantiate the change I've made, as BoxRec had Jim Pettaway incorrectly listed as the 1956 AAU champ. I just added a few more facts to Harry's profile; I have results of his other bouts but this should probably be sufficient for a quick overview. He also won multiple Interservice Championships and boxed at the 1950 and 1951 AAU Championships (lost in the semis and preliminaries, respectively), for example, but I don't want to go overboard here. :) --El Intocable

Max Grothe/Harry Smith of Buffalo


I just added a bit of info on Max and Harry. Not sure if Max indeed participated in the Korean War.

1937 Golden Gloves


Jackie Donovan and Harry Smith won the 1937 Tournament of Champions; they both came from Buffalo, not NYC, and apparently won the local elimination tourney there. This was the first New York Tournament of Champions, when participants came from across the Eastern seaboard. Unfortunately, I do not have results of Buffalo eliminations, so I did not include Harry's Buffalo title. I think you should remove your today's changes.

I entered Jackie Donavan to the NY (City) Golden Gloves, he won the open title, representing the Buffalo Courier Express, as Harry Smith did, these were major titles, why would you want me to remove them? Bert

1937 Golden Gloves


Right now you are calling the same tournament by two different names. They won the Tournament of Champions, not the local Golden Gloves for NY Metro. 1937 was the first year when the Tournament of Champions took place.

1937 Golden Gloves -- Response to Your Message

Bert, we are miscommunicating. In 1937 and 1938, regional GG tournaments took place, and then local champions entered the combined NY tournament. I feel that it is very confusing that you list two New York titles for winners of these tournaments.

For example, Sal Bartolo won the 1937 New England Golden Gloves (outpointed Desmarais in the finals), then entered the 1937 Tournament of Champions and won it as well. His regional title is not listed, but he has 2 New York titles, as if he first won the NY Metro title, and then won the tourney of champions. There was just one New York tournament, so I feel that only one title should be listed. The same applies to Buffalo Golden Gloves champions, etc.

1937 Golden Gloves

"Totaly disagree. The NY City and Chicago City Tournaments were first, even out drew the others at times (1944)." Bert

Bert, we are really miscommunicating. For example, for Sal Bartolo you have two lines:

1937 won New York (City) Golden Gloves in the bantamweight division. 1937 won New York Golden Gloves Tournament Of Champions in the bantamweight division.

This was one and the same tournament!! Why do you give it two separate lines?

Joe Smallwood

I think his hometown (Wilimington, right?) has already been changed. (See here.) I don't know whether the recent software changes require that we wait 24 hours for the change to register. --Ric 21:04, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes, Thanks, Bert


So what's going on with the Joe Smallwood page? And why did you delete the photo? --Ric 16:43, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Succession boxes representing amateur titles

Rocky Lockridge & Jose Torres why did you remove them? Bert

I think the convention is that succession boxes should only be created for major professional world titles. For instance, boxes on IBO world titles and The Ring awards have been removed from boxer pages. The same should apply to amateur accomplishments.

Of course, you could start a discussion on this on an appropriate talk page or ask JohnShep how to handle this. There's even been an exchange on the issue on this page.--Emaster 16:09, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

I started a discussion on this page, suggesting to keep the succession boxes on the pages.--Emaster 21:27, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Bravo! --Bert

Couldn't all the Golden Gloves winners from bouts that were were held in Chicago IL be combined, weather Tribune sponsored or held under other sponsors names ? Maybe just listed as Chicago Golden Gloves? The main thing is that there is a list of Golden Glove Champions from the tournaments. Plenty of people walking around claiming to be GG Champs that have never even been to a live boxing event. Also, I started this Category and put it together by trial & error, need assistance starting a Category for - Wisconsin Golden Gloves. thanks. --User:Red


Bert, do you have access to the editor forum ?

Golden Gloves

Hi Bert, please post what you are doing here and hopefully we will get this sorted out soon :-)

Norman Smith

Bert, the page you made for Norman was a New Page when he already had a page. I entered the text in THAT Wike I assume that is was you wanted done? Red

Edwin Kolb

Bert, you didn't mention what weight class Kolb won his amateur titles in.--Matt Tegen 00:27, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Title boxes

Bert, can you put the title boxes as the bottom of the article below the body of text, but above the categories. This is how a lot of the earlier articles were handled, and is similar to what Wikipedia does with politicians, for example. I think it looks much better as well.--Matt 03:17, 27 May 2010 (UTC)