I also Read that Denver Ed Martin (who fought at same time as Griffin) Served at least for a short time as Jeffries sparring partner. I lost the article i meant to save it. Perhaps Jeffries took the cue from Fitzsimmons

Hank Griffin was also a second in the corner for Bob Fitzsimmons in the second fight with Jim Jeffries. BTW I had read that in the book LANKY BOB by J.K Robinson (2008) have you seen a copy of that ? It's got a sh*tload of newspaper excerpts, particularly from Fitzsimmons series of articles MY 369 ...

Have not heard of this at all. It is pretty surprising. first an foremost, a white having a black trainer would have been unheard of. Though i have read that Fitzsimmons was not a racist like many people of his time. Also a little strange for an active fighter training another fighter. Makes me thi...

This morning I read the accounts of Ryan vs Root. Jack is outstanding Root certainty proved he was superior. In a 6 round bout Draw. Root floored Ryan in round 2. Root should have been facing him when Ryan vs West happened in 1901. In a 20 round bout. The 2nd reading is Ryan vs O brien. Ryan got flo...

This bout 1905-08-18 Sam Langford 31 3 14 Leiperville L-PTS 15/15 This is listed incorrect. No paper has this as a win. It's a draw. Pittsburgh press Draw (aug 19) next day Aug 20th Baltimore sun a Draw. At least one account had Blackburn as the better fighter.. Don't give him an Lost if he didn't d...

I haven't got a recent book on Bob Fitzsimmon's lately. I was not aware that Boxer Hank Griffin was training bob Fitzsimmons in 1902. I found a newspaper article that states quite clearly that Griffin was his trainer Prior to the bout with Hank Griffin vs Johnson in June 1902. It really makes you wo...

I ran this through simulation. An amazing fight.

Maher down in 8th. Burns down in the 10th, Maher down in the 12th.

Tommy Burns 15 w

I currently have Fitz going through the next Era Lightheavy's (both light heavy). I will Run this one through my simulation. Fitz had an amazing win over Les Darcy in the first meeting I posted here. Fitz is the top Lightheavy of pioneer era. walker is top 10 lightheavy in his era. Walker's era is m...

They fought twice in my simulation.

Fight 1- 15 Draw
Fight 2- 15w Walker

Probably for me would be Tommy Burns. I always view him as a smoking mirrors side show. Marvin Hart often gets rated below him but I think Hart was far more talented, I dont think Burns could have beat Jack Root. Burns completely avoided any kind of rematch & went on to fight the worse level of ...

Charles & Walcott are vastly underrated. They are certainly better than Lyle.

What's the deal here? Hunter was going to fight someone real I seen it...

Now its this Lovejoy..


Can anyone remember who he was suppose to fight? This has to be a substitution.

People adapt to their surroundings. Louis did what he needed to do then. There's no reason why he couldn't go up from 200 to 220 using todays technology. You're saying big guys dominate and have done for a long time, but the guy at the top of the division is smaller than Fury, Joshua, Wilder, Wlad,...

I'm with Ambling Alp II and keithmoonhangover there. I believe Tyson Fury's wins over the aging Wlad and the trilogy fight with Wilder were good, but overrated as he beat an aging Wlad like I said before and Fury faced that Wlad who didn't have Manny Steward who passed away 3 years prior to their b...

Now some say that Dempsey would have been to big and strong for Greb, but Dempsey weighted 185 pounds in most of his fights, and Greb fought plentiful fighters of similar or even bigger size (Renault, Weinert, Miske, Tunney) and was never troubled by their superior strenght. Could Greb have beaten ...

Ran this through my simulation.
An experienced Jeffries vs a very young Tunney. Greb~style

15 Rounds fight.


Jeffries 29 vs Tunney 21


Knockdowns Tunney down 2x in 11th, 2x 15th.

Tunney survived an ass kicking.

145-135 scorecard

15Winner Jeffries.

Tunney guts out a lesson learned.

Very few fighter's in History had a more successful youth than that of the nonpareil no man was his equal. This has all his ring battles. Including fighting in a ring with a foot of water which they needed to go off the barge to finish. #45 of the series. Counting down to #1 of the pioneer Era. Boxe...

Rocky was never going to last into his mid 30s because of his style. The crouch his hard on the body as was his all-action style. I like Brockton’s assessment. I think if Marciano is in the right mental state to continue (i.e. motivated in training camp) then I think he may have been okay for a whi...

One of the early pioneer fighters of the 2nd wave of Black fighter's (along w/Jack Johnson, jeanette) Not a whole bunch of data about him online. I have a very in depth breakdown of his ring battles here as I really want to give some love to these lesser known fighters of the pioneer age almost next...

P4P is a pretty subjective type of rating. I'm wondering If anyone ever considers anything other than weight? Me personally I pay quite a bit of attention to one's height as far as welterweight/middleweight's go...and height does matter. Is height a factor for anyone? As pound per pound the statemen...

I would say his greatest achievement was getting the win in the bIlly Conn fight.

Well in the mid 1890's they refer to the weight division of Lightheavy weight 160-175lbs. Heavyweight was 175lbs & up. So I would venture to guess that no way does it take to past 1900 to actually crown someone. 8-29- 1899 Promoted by newspaperman Lou Houseman as for the Vacant World Light-Heavy...

It's obvious wiki is way off on this...it has 1902 Jack Root. I researched this It appears Choynski was the first champion. Box rec first mention is Aug 1889 Choynski vs Australian Jim Ryan for vacant title. They reference Choynski & Tut Ryan in the previous year for the title in 1897 speaking a...

Is everyone of the opinion primo is the worst hw champ ever? No that's Not any kind of fact. Primo Carnera would certainly have a chance against these fighters James Corbett, Tommy Burns, Marvin Hart, James Braddock, Jess Willard. Primo is on the level of a white hope fighter in my rankings. Many o...

I have a boxing program that i made that does Mythical matchups... I thought I'd post some classic matchups. Mickey Walker vs Champion Battling Levinsky This is a matchup that Levinsky could have won at least on a split card. 15 Rounds. Walker drops Levinsky in round 15 the only knockdown. Creating ...