Judging Floyd by defensive capability he was definitely one of the best I can think of. Pep is definitely the most able though, kinda like a Barry Sanders smoothly avoiding contact

It is probably the first time I agree with Borinken on something. He has all those ten fighters in the top ten, but, I had them a little different: 1. Henry Armstrong 2. Sugar Ray Robinson 3. Sam Langford 4. Roberto Duran 5. Willie Pep 6. Harry Greb 7. Ezzard Charles 8. Muhammad Ali 9. Joe Louis 10...

I don't think I've ever seen a fighter in my life who looked better on film than Willie Pep. The guy could simply do it all. Dance around side to side, slip punches effortlessly and then launch an attack out of no where from any angle. I think he's an alltime great for foot work, head movement, jab...

- This notion that Jack Dempsey couldn't compete against Ali is just more modern revisionism by poorly studied fans. Sure, they just loved to see Ali dance and recite schoolboy singsong doggerel, and to be fair, Ali clearly had goods to beat most anyone...except specifically Joe Frazier when it cou...

I did not think either that DLH was a domination by Floyd. I thought it was pretty close call, Floyd* didn't really hurt him. Floyd kept putting up his arms and covering up. Even for that fight, Mayweather waited years to fight an older DLH well past his prime- one of the only two great fighters of ...

Hall of famer Ketchel died at 24

JohnnyCross...........That's a great list But Bob Fitzsimmon at 6th and Ali 9th :roll: that's crazy and Julio Cesar Chavez Sr at 14 Leonard ranked 20th that's big of ya :lol: and I loved Duran but he is not 8 spots above Leonard :TU: It's hard to judge a Fitzimmons, you understand. Mostly based off...

A guy that beat the very best of his era cannot be criticized lower than others that beat some great ones. Mayweather beat the very best of his time. Period. Even if he beats a prime great like Manny Pacquiao, still, he would've been criticized. Let's give the man his due. I believe he is a top ten...

Just to put it on record. If half of what they say about Dempsey is true then I think he has a better chance at beating Ali than Frazier did. I lov the idea of seeing a trilogy. If I had to pick one fight to see, it would be this one

JohnnyCross...........That's a great list But Bob Fitzsimmon at 6th and Ali 9th :roll: that's crazy and Julio Cesar Chavez Sr at 14 Leonard ranked 20th that's big of ya :lol: and I loved Duran but he is not 8 spots above Leonard :TU: It's hard to judge a Fitzimmons, you understand. Mostly based off...

I guess the answer is yes to my question. I said on September 3, (before you even commented on this thread) that Ali would beat Dempsey. I said again several times after that. Look it up. Yes, some of Foster's heavyweight opponents were better than Tunney's. That doesn't mean that Foster was better...

Ambling app, of course I don't rely on them too much at all. I don't blame greb or pep for not being KO machines..and I do consider quality wins not just wins that's why I don't hold Marciano or Mayweather so highly. Opposition is single most important factor in determining quality of fighter. I def...

Everyone has their own opinions Johnny. Always interested in a different take... Opinions are great they should be unique, I'm really looking for reasons though. Now I without a doubt can see Charles as a Top 20 fighter, and possibly even top 10...or maybe even 5. I just don't know enough about the...

1. SRR 2. Greb 3. Langford 4. Charles 5. Duran 6. Ali 7. Armstrong 8. Floyd M 9. Manny P 10. SRL I think youve got too many heavys on that list. I'd have Louis at 11 and Johnson/Holmes top 20 but thats it. I cant stand Floyd but despite everything everyone says about him, hes a top 10 p4p. the guy ...

I definitely had Archie Moore in the top 20. I think Leonard gets the boot from my list for Moore if anyone...I've had problems with arguing for Charles over any of the guys on my list...I like your opinion that Griffith is too 20. Ross and Sandler are very close calls as well! Damn tough to choose ...

Theagenes Supposedly boxed over 1400 fights and was a boxing Olympic champion in their official history books. He also won track and field competitions involving running during the olympics. Has their ever been a respectable boxer/long distance runner or something like that in modern times? I know B...

elmersalsa wrote:

JohnnyCross wrote:1. Harry Greb
2. Willie Pep
3. Bob Fitzsimmons
4. Jack Dempsey
5. Jimmy Wilde
6. Stanley Ketchel
7. Rocky Marciano
8. Benny Leonard
9. Jimmy Jeffries
10. Gene Tunney

Nice list. I got the great Willie Pep at #1

He definitely deserves to be #1, I could switch him up there if I did this another day.

Henry Armstrong would have beat Duran just like every other great fighter he fought did to him...and he has a better resume so he takes the edge. Duran is a close number two, not to be outdone by much in his weight classes or pound for pound

For old timers, if Harry Greb and Stanley Ketchel didn't die at 32 and 24 respectively who knows what could have been. Mostly Ketchel of course. 64 fights by age of 24. He won 83% of them and won by KO 91% of them. Beast. Not sure if Jimmy Jeffries retired early but he only fought 24 fights..Ali los...

Thanks, I really tried to cluster them in semi comparable groups and then order the groups as well as the boxers in the groups. Seemed to make sense. If a is similar fighter to b and b is greater than c then a is greater than c too and a and b are both greater than d if d is similar enough to c! I c...

Let's get some polls running on top 5, 10, 15, or 20 fighters pound for pound of all time! 3 Numbers given are W- win percentage, KO- knock out percentage for wins, and total bouts or total fights. 1. S. Ray Robinson 86%W. 62%KO. 200TB 2. Harry Greb 87%. 18%. 298. M weight 3. Henry Armstrong 83%. 67...

1. Harry Greb
2. Willie Pep
3. Bob Fitzsimmons
4. Jack Dempsey
5. Jimmy Wilde
6. Stanley Ketchel
7. Rocky Marciano
8. Benny Leonard
9. Jimmy Jeffries
10. Gene Tunney

I would say that Bob gets the nod due to size and freakish strength. It's a close call though. Harry gave Jack Dempsey hell in sparring practices and Jack is significantly larger overall than Bob. I think Bob would get Harry since Bob's stance has him leaned back away from a smaller swarming style b...

Thanks HoS. :bag: I'm sure I read that Dempsey ranked Jeffries so high, but I have not seen such an article or know any reference of those guys voting Jeffries number one. What is strange about Jeffries is that he only had 24 fights and only won like 19 of them. I heard he was superrrrr strong, yet ...

Hi everyone :salut: I'm a newbie here and this is my first topic. I am ranking pound for pound all time greats, and I feel that of particular significance in determining my ordering is a few specific match ups that I am considering. Namely, Henry Armstrong vs Harry Greb- middle weight Jack Dempsey v...