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by p4p1
05 Feb 2023, 19:40
Forum: Boxing History
Topic: Most Emphatic/Dominating Loss For A Prime ATG
Replies: 46
Views: 476

Re: Most Emphatic/Dominating Loss For A Prime ATG

John L. Sullivan getting KO'd by Jim Corbett. At 34 in the 1800s plus his lifestyle, it is hard to argue that he was anywhere near his prime. I can see where the guy is coming from in mentioning it because Sullivan for all intents and purposes was the world's champion for 12 years under two differe...
by p4p1
03 Feb 2023, 00:11
Forum: Boxing History
Topic: Most Emphatic/Dominating Loss For A Prime ATG
Replies: 46
Views: 476

Re: Most Emphatic/Dominating Loss For A Prime ATG

dagosd2000 wrote: 02 Feb 2023, 19:08 John L. Sullivan getting KO'd by Jim Corbett.
At 34 in the 1800s plus his lifestyle, it is hard to argue that he was anywhere near his prime.
by p4p1
02 Feb 2023, 02:12
Forum: Kickboxing, MMA and other combat sports
Topic: Who has won titles in boxing and kickboxing?
Replies: 37
Views: 2741

Re: Who has won titles in boxing and kickboxing?

Then as far as Thailand goes there's a couple of stadiums that are synonymous with it like being the Champion of Lumpini Stadium (which essentially means you're the Champion of Muay Thai, at least in your weight class) It's a fascinating system that they have in Lumpinee stadium... You are definite...
by p4p1
01 Feb 2023, 20:32
Forum: Current Scene
Topic: Jake Paul vs. Tommy Fury | ESPN PPV - February 26, 2023
Replies: 79
Views: 1810

Re: Jake Paul vs. Tommy Fury | ESPN PPV - February 26, 2023

A 185 lb(Catchweight) bout to me is basically a Junior Cruiserweight bout, if they were to implement that as a division. 176-200 being the Cruiserweight range "Could be revamped". Eventually perhaps. Realistically, idealistically, and most sensibly, there Needs to be a Junior Cruiserweigh...
by p4p1
01 Feb 2023, 20:25
Forum: Current Scene
Topic: Showtime is closing, what now for boxing?
Replies: 26
Views: 424

Re: Showtime is closing, what now for boxing?

Let's be honest, Boxing as a package is shit. There is so much room for improvement. Unfortunately, with the way boxing is run and has been run for 40+ years there is no chance of the improvement ever coming.
by p4p1
01 Feb 2023, 20:20
Forum: Current Scene
Topic: Showtime is closing, what now for boxing?
Replies: 26
Views: 424

Re: Showtime is closing, what now for boxing?

If the boxing organizations and promoters had any sort of brains they would just come together to create a boxing channel, kind of like how WWE has their vault of every classic match in every territory that Vince McMahon ever bought, that way you could get boxing matches 24/7 365 days a year from a...
by p4p1
01 Feb 2023, 20:16
Forum: Current Scene
Topic: Boxers that beat Father Time
Replies: 28
Views: 592

Re: Boxers that beat Father Time

Cent0089 wrote: 01 Feb 2023, 14:42
RScarf1 wrote: 31 Jan 2023, 01:16 Firat Arslan is 52 years old and still an active boxer rated No. 22 by the IBO and No. 8 by the WBA at cruiserweight.
He literally asking for a brain damage. Some of the higher rated cruiser guys are beasts
Boxing at all is asking for brain damage.
by p4p1
01 Feb 2023, 00:30
Forum: Boxing History
Topic: Was Ali-Liston 2 fixed and was Ali in on it ?
Replies: 35
Views: 269

Re: Was Ali-Liston 2 fixed and was Ali in on it ?

I don't know about that. If one watches the replay they can see where Liston's head knocks back and the muscles recoil from the punch, but whether it was such a devastating shot that it would have kept him down for the count or not is the real question. The fact that Muhammad Ali kept standing over...
by p4p1
31 Jan 2023, 02:34
Forum: Training / Coaching
Topic: Beating a jabber.
Replies: 52
Views: 11232

Re: Beating a jabber.

try to add head movement to your step and drag. step forward with your front foot, and, in the same motion, move your upper body over your front leg in a downward forward motion. your chest is going to come just over your front knee. dont over bend your front knee. now drag up your back foot. https...
by p4p1
30 Jan 2023, 23:45
Forum: Amateur Boxing
Topic: Max Golovkin (GGGs twin brother)
Replies: 5
Views: 99

Re: Max Golovkin (GGGs twin brother)

it's always the lesser known bro who's the better one it seems, at least that's what often gets said ggg was a great amateur who won loads of stuff. if this guy was better than him surely he'd have plenty of big results that could be easily found Babe Ruth had a Brother that could've hit 85 Home Ru...
by p4p1
26 Jan 2023, 21:23
Forum: Boxing History
Topic: Is boxing the most corrupt sport in the world?
Replies: 37
Views: 1292

Re: Is boxing the most corrupt sport in the world?

I don't think the issues in boxing are solely down to corruption, I also think there is a strong slice of incompetence as well. IE some judges are just terrible and are not on the take. There could also be a problem with the way judges are trained and taught to score fights as well. Judging is not e...
by p4p1
25 Jan 2023, 23:27
Forum: Boxing History
Topic: Is boxing the most corrupt sport in the world?
Replies: 37
Views: 1292

Re: Is boxing the most corrupt sport in the world?

I'm not sure that it is as overall corrupt as soccer/football but I can't think of a sport that is so openly corrupt during the match rather than just behind the scenes. Football corrupt in what way, in terms of selling and buying players? I guess some sort of cheating or corruption is in every spo...
by p4p1
25 Jan 2023, 03:58
Forum: Australia & Pacific
Topic: Have we 'Jumped the Shark'?
Replies: 6
Views: 351

Re: Have we 'Jumped the Shark'?

As bad as it is in Australia, it's even worse here in Canada. We had a brief burst of fighting a few years ago with Denton Daley, but no one is making the news these days. Our media is absorbed with hockey, basketball and baseball. A bit sad, I hope it's just a lull ..... IIRC you can't hold an Aus...
by p4p1
25 Jan 2023, 03:26
Forum: Mythical Fights
Topic: Ray Robinson (peak) vs Roberto Duran (Leonard I)
Replies: 138
Views: 1018

Re: Ray Robinson (peak) vs Roberto Duran (Leonard I)

That video shows that Robinson had a lot of craft on the inside and also used tricks to turn his opponent and gain distance. From what I have seen he was very well rounded and very tough but not flashy in the way that say a Jones Jr was. His style could certainly be used successfully by fighters wit...
by p4p1
25 Jan 2023, 02:18
Forum: Boxing History
Topic: Ali in his prime: 4 guys that SURELY would've beaten him
Replies: 333
Views: 8133

Re: Ali in his prime: 4 guys that SURELY would've beaten him

The Human Body couldn't take 14 fights a month against that level of opposition. I don't think it could take 2 at that level. Even the Legends like Greb who fought numerous times in a month didn't fight the cream of the crop every single time out. Hell you couldn't. You couldn't take it. Nobody tha...
by p4p1
25 Jan 2023, 02:13
Forum: Boxing History
Topic: Title Defenses: Quality on Average - Heavyweights
Replies: 105
Views: 812

Re: Title Defenses: Quality on Average

I would think so. The nerd in me loves how excruciatingly detailed we've gotten about all this :lol: There must be a way of factoring in the amount of defences as well? I mean you can count 'em all as we list 'em. These threads tend to be about the quality of the challengers rather than the sheer n...
by p4p1
25 Jan 2023, 01:40
Forum: Boxing History
Topic: Ali in his prime: 4 guys that SURELY would've beaten him
Replies: 333
Views: 8133

Re: Ali in his prime: 4 guys that SURELY would've beaten him

The Human Body couldn't take 14 fights a month against that level of opposition. I don't think it could take 2 at that level. Even the Legends like Greb who fought numerous times in a month didn't fight the cream of the crop every single time out. Hell you couldn't. You couldn't take it. Nobody tha...
by p4p1
25 Jan 2023, 01:39
Forum: Boxing History
Topic: Ali in his prime: 4 guys that SURELY would've beaten him
Replies: 333
Views: 8133

Re: Ali in his prime: 4 guys that SURELY would've beaten him

The Human Body couldn't take 14 fights a month against that level of opposition. I don't think it could take 2 at that level. Even the Legends like Greb who fought numerous times in a month didn't fight the cream of the crop every single time out. Hell you couldn't. You couldn't take it. Nobody tha...
by p4p1
25 Jan 2023, 01:36
Forum: Boxing History
Topic: Ali in his prime: 4 guys that SURELY would've beaten him
Replies: 333
Views: 8133

Re: Ali in his prime: 4 guys that SURELY would've beaten him

Why do I say this? If Muhammad Ali beat people it was by cutting them over the eye or they were so tired chasing him that he ended up stopping them. But he was the only one who was really getting damaged because everybody was being the aggressor towards him while he was mostly on defense. WHAT?
by p4p1
25 Jan 2023, 01:25
Forum: Boxing History
Topic: Do We All Agree That SRR Is The P4P Best Ever?
Replies: 65
Views: 667

Re: Do We All Agree That SRR Is The P4P Best Ever?

Using a 20 year old Clay/Ali as a way to show that Ali would be vulnerable in previous era's is a long bow to draw though. He had a great chin, great stamina and high fight IQ. There isn't an era where he wouldn't be the best from Sullivan onwards. His biggest challenge IMO would be Jack Johnson in ...
by p4p1
24 Jan 2023, 20:27
Forum: Boxing History
Topic: Is boxing the most corrupt sport in the world?
Replies: 37
Views: 1292

Re: Is boxing the most corrupt sport in the world?

I'm not sure that it is as overall corrupt as soccer/football but I can't think of a sport that is so openly corrupt during the match rather than just behind the scenes.
by p4p1
24 Jan 2023, 20:12
Forum: Boxing History
Topic: Title Defenses: Quality on Average - Heavyweights
Replies: 105
Views: 812

Re: Title Defenses: Quality on Average

gilgamesh wrote: 11 Jan 2023, 14:59
Ezzard wrote: 11 Jan 2023, 14:58 Why is an average important? Surely five defences against 8s and 9s beats one defence against a 10?
I would think so.

The nerd in me loves how excruciatingly detailed we've gotten about all this :lol:
There must be a way of factoring in the amount of defences as well?
by p4p1
24 Jan 2023, 20:09
Forum: Boxing History
Topic: Title Defenses: Quality on Average - Heavyweights
Replies: 105
Views: 812

Re: Title Defenses: Quality on Average

OK, if you think it was a dive, then people can't give it a low number and it figure it into the average. Makes no sense for Ali to be penalized. I know it was a dive. I don't think it was a dive but Jersey Joe fucked up everything that came after it. As you say, Ali was clearly going to win but IM...
by p4p1
24 Jan 2023, 19:36
Forum: Training / Coaching
Topic: Beating a jabber.
Replies: 52
Views: 11232

Re: Beating a jabber.

the jab can also be a great deceiver, seen plenty of cases of a guy bouncing around, flicking out jabs that dont even make contact, and yet somehow a lot of dudes fall for that as the guy outboxing his opponent On the subject of a jab being a great deceiver, I used to spar a lot of guys who were bi...
by p4p1
22 Jan 2023, 19:30
Forum: Boxing History
Topic: Down Goes Frazuh!, Down Goes Frazuh!, Down Goes Frazuh!: 50th Year Anniversary
Replies: 11
Views: 168

Re: Down Goes Frazuh!, Down Goes Frazuh!, Down Goes Frazuh!: 50th Year Anniversary

I always found it a bit mystifying that it was chosen as the Ring Magazine Fight of the Year for 1973 considering it was just a one sided ass kicking. Possibly one of the most memorable ever as far as one sided ass kickings go, but one sided nonetheless. I wonder how many times George would've had ...