My old man swears that in 1964, he picked Cassius Clay to upset Sonny Liston. That being so, I think that was a minority opinion at the time. How would you have seen it at the time? If you are old enough, what was your opinion at that time? Gotta admit I would have picked Liston. Clay had barely squ...

I have just read a book on the 2 fights between Louis and Schmeling. At one stage the author suggestes that when 1937 began, though Braddock was the champion, nobody really thought he could defeat Louis or Schmeling. With hindsight (Schmelings rematch with Louis) the issue to me isn't as clear cut a...

He should have had at least 1 decision over Minter (2nd fight).

I am having doubts over my conviction that Ezzard Charles is the best LH ever. Does anybody think that Michael Moorer could have beaten him in a LH match up?

Would be interested to hear what you think.

Going back to the original post, I cannot personally see Rocky defeating any of these fighters except Jack Dempsey.

I pick Holyfield after a good battle. I think Holyfield would have easily won in 1996, but in 1988 it would be more interesting.

Holyfield, durable and strong, would nullify Bruno ultimately after a few bruising rounds.

I will research Tunney as a LH. I'm not much of a boxing historian am I?!! I've never had Tunney on my own personal ATG HW list, but as a LH he is obviously up there. Would have been interesting to see him against a pre Carpentier Battling Siki. For years I wanted to see Siki-Carpentier as I had rea...

Many would consider him to be, his record speaks for itself. Ignore his fights after his first Marciano loss, as he got to be some what ring worn and perhaps his illness was showing effect. He beat and fought some of the LHW divs best men, as well as facing and beating a top crop of HW's including ...

I have it as being this: Ezzard Charles Archie Moore Gene Tunney Michael Spinks Bob Foster :TU: I'm showing my ignorance here but I had no idea Gene Tunney fought at light-heavy, and I agree with your list. My new updated greatest lists in the 5 weights: Muhammad Ali Ezzard Charles Carlos Monzon Su...

I've always picked Archie Moore as the best LH champ ever (with Michael Spinks and Bob Foster) following close behind. I've never properly appreciated the fact (until recently) that Ezzard Charles fought at light-heavy and beat Moore. He never fought for the light-heavy title, but is Ezzard Charles ...

Ketchel is right up there. He'd beat Chuck and Bruce before brunch.

How far would Chuck go if he fought an eliminator against Errol Christie for the right to challenge Mark Kaylor, with the winner of that matched with Tony Sibson?

I go for Monzon, many greats in that division though.

Maybe match Chuck with Kevin Finnegan.

Chuck could go the distance with Alan Minter.

If he goes back in time too far, he may have to get into the ring with Stanley Ketchel...............

He could go back in time to 1977, find Mr Monzon, get into the ring with him, and getted knocked out in 2 rounds.

I suppose boxers also are more used to being hit and taking a belting. You can be well down the road in martial arts but still not be really used to getting a full hit in the head. And I suppose you could become a martial arts champion without necessarily knowing if you can take a real hit. Monzon t...

Hello. As I've said before, I am new here and don't really know what has been discussed before, so apologies if this topic is a duplication. Both of these were world champions, one boxing the other karate, at middleweight. Arguably they are the greatest middleweight champions ever in their respectiv...

Me again. I'm pretty new and sure this point has been discussed before. In the Dempsey-Tunney rematch, (after the long count incident), Dempsey briefly touches down and the ref immediately starts a count. Tunney wasn't in a neutral corner.

Has that ever been explained?

I guess Jersey Joe officiating Ali-Liston II is an obvious choice. He should have made Ali go to a neutral corner and let it all carry on from there.

Just watched Norton vs Bobick 1977. Bobick is clearly counted out but the refereee decides (unfairly) to let him continue, and then just as quickly jumps in and stops it.

Any other ref stories spring to mind?

How about Norton vs Bobick 1977. Less than a minute I think.

Rocky 2, 4, and 5 were awful.

In Rocky 2, he can't have a rematch because of his bad eye, a point that then seems to be conveniently forgotten about.

I'm looking forward to the time when Klitschko and the other champions are demolished by a new Tyson, Frazier, Foreman etc. Even the alphabet champs of the 80's had more going for them than this current lot. In my opinion it's been terrible for ages, but who remembers when the 2 Heavyweight Champion...

Ali and Frazier post Manila

Tyson - Williams

Tyson - McBride

Bugner - Marvis Frazier, Tangsted, and particularly Welch.