As far as "home court advantage" in Asia goes, you may find the following complete statistical break-down of Korea v. Japan title matches from 1980 to 1995 that went to the distance fascinating. Of the 23 fights, only 3 visitors won a decision: Kim (v. Takamura), Yuh (v. Ioka II), Choi (v....

Some of the more famous robberies that you don't even note as "controversial" include: Fighting Harada v. Pone Kingpetch II (Kingpetch won maybe 5 rounds & was put down once & had another knockdown waived off as a slip by the incompetent referee) Chan-Hee Park v. Shoji Oguma II (po...

1. Ohashi was down 3 times in the 3rd round, not twice, as you have reported here. 2. Both Zapata I & Chitalada II were very CONTROVERSIAL. Ring magazine's Joe Koizumi had Chang winning the fight & WBC ordered a re-match. The Chitalada fight was even more controversial; I have yet to hear an...

I received the following e-mail from a poster named Irishlad: "I want you to do me a favour. I dont want irrelevant human trash like you, soiling respected boxing sites like here and the cbz. There is a reason posters dont want to talk about asian fighters, and thats why nobody gives a shit. In...

The Keed, Chung-Il Choi was a decorated amateur & one of the supreme pure talents ever to come out of Asia. Unfortunately, he had an awful chin & that was his undoing, as he lost 2 thrilling fights to Navarette & Limon, two fantastic wars. In this five-way rivalry, Choi was probably the...

"Yeah, Goldstein had an issue with stopping fights in a prompt manner. And coming from me (who thinks fights are always stopped too soon), that says a lot. " Yes sir. And then Goldstein did the opposite in the 2nd Robinson-Turpin fight, stopping the fight in favor of the US fighter (Robin...

Thanks for the list. I will save it. I have seen the first Harada-Jofre fight--where Harada hurts Jofre terribly withan uppercut at one point. That is absolutely amazing that Harada was able to beat a great fighter like Jofre when Jofre was also a weight class bigger than he was. And weight means a...

Check out Zamora knocking out the sturdy Pedroza.

An atomic right hand.

Remember when Bazooka yanked Sharmba Mitchell's trunks down? He certainly added some life to that fight. :D Damn, I didn't realize until you said that that Limon fought until 1994. :o Poor guy. I also see now, looking at his record, that he was behind on the cards in his title fights with Rolando N...

terap wrote:There are films of Pancho Villa fighting Jimmy Wilde (Villa looks overwhelmingly strong and effective--making me wonder if he would have been too powerful for Wilde at any time)

and also film of Villa KOing Johnny Buff.

Both films of Villa are easily available.

Great; thanks for the heads-up.

My 1981 Ring Record book has Harada losing by KO twice to Joe Medel by KO 6 but in looking at it again I see both dates are Sept. 26, 1963. So the Ring Record book put out by Bert Sugar and company after Nat Fleischer died can be less than correct. But the overall point here is that you guys have s...

"The compulsion to demand enforced, unnatural comparisons is something I can do without." Let me explain myself more clearly in regard to the genealogy of this "unnatural comparison[]": 1. Someone made a comment that Villa is considered the best Asian fighter ever. 2. I will resp...

"I think virtually everyone in the know consider Harada greater than Villa." All very interesting stuff here, guys. HARADA's achievement with Jofre was remarkable. But Harada was also KO'd TWICE by Joe Medel. VILLA was never KO'd in 103 bouts. Villa had 103 total bouts and lost 4 by decis...

"Ellyas Pical, who was the IBF champ at 115 for most of Galaxy's reign, was the only reigning champ who ever had the balls to get in the ring with Galaxy. He went 14 rounds before Khaosai got him, then won the IBF title back eight months later and held it until 1990. I say anyone who could go 1...

"Galaxy would have been the champion a lot sooner if the 115-pound champs of that time hadn't ducked him for two years. He didn't become champion until Watanabe decided to vacate the WBA title and fight for the WBC version, which allowed Galaxy to fight for and win the WBA crown himself." ...

TonyJ wrote:As great as Elorde was many experts still consider Villa the greatest fillipino and asian fighter of all time.

I think virtually everyone in the know consider Harada greater than Villa.

Just flashing in my brain, another names of Asian fighters: Mon sun kil Shinji Matmumura Saensak Muangsurin Don't know much about the first 2 but Muangsurin won the WBC lightwelter title in his 3rd pro fight. Still a record today? Must have been a decent fighter. Still, Hearns KO'd him easily Chong...

whats your take on Watanabe? He was a smart and versatile southpaw, great skills and didn't lack a punch. Also a very fast counterpuncher, for every punch Ibañez landed he connected 3 or 4 shots, on combinations with a nice double left hook to the body and head. Thats the only Watanabe fight Ive se...

A few other lists from guys who are very knowledgeable about Asian boxing (though I disagree violently with some of these lists): Realjoonie: 1. Fighting Harada 2. Jung Koo Chang 3. Jiro Watanabe 4. Myung Woo Yuh 5. Pancho Villa 6. Khaosai Galaxy 7. Yoko Gushiken 8. Flash Elorde 9. Sung Kil Moon 10....

By the way, Gensu, I am curious: Since you have seen Chitalada v. Chang II, who did you think won the fight? I am actually doing a survey on that fight & as the result was very controversial in Korea. To be perfectly honest, I found it so boring that I didn't get through the whole thing. I'll g...

"I confess I haven't seen him fight, but his record at 115 isn't that great. Was he really better than Ellyas Pical? Or Contreras?" Very much so. I don't think there is a comparison. Further, because of Laciar's great chin & ruggedness, he would have posed an interesting challenge for ...

By the way, Gensu, I am curious:

Since you have seen Chitalada v. Chang II, who did you think won the fight?

I am actually doing a survey on that fight & as the result was very controversial in Korea.

"I actually think Konadu hit even harder than Moon." I beg to differ. Very very strongly on this one. Nana was more a boxer-puncher who threw sharp, crisp punches, not atomic shots. "But I think Galaxy would have had an easier time with Konadu than Moon did (and I'm a Konadu fan). Nan...

"We'll never know for sure, but I'll take the guy with more one-shot power." And again, I will strenuously dispute that claim that Galaxy had more power. "Who were these 6-7 guys? Other than Roman and Moon?" Roman, Moon, Watanabe, Konadu, Laciar, Ramos were all better than anyone...

More best asian fighters: - the Galaxy twins (khaokor and khaosay) - muangchai kitikasem - park chong pal - Dodi 'boy' Penalosa - Elly Pical - saman surjaturong - myself -) Chong-Pal Park was a joke. No other way of saying it. You can't be hood-winked by pretty records of some Asian titlists, as th...