That's due to the remarkable complexity of the matter at hand. Strictly rocket science/neuropsyche stuff. And Darling....I know I'm always second in any two contributor contest with you.....I've learned to live with the self esteem destroying rejection. Since this is so difficult to understand, ple...

He lost every big fight he had except the ones where he cheated or had an overrated opponent like Sugar Ray Leonard.

He would have won all three of his fights with Muhammad Ali if the treacherous Eddie Futch didn't stop the fight after the fourteenth round and prevent Smokin Joe from scoring the inevitable knockout. He would have easily beat George Foreman if the referee would have enforced the rules and not allow...

Controversial wrote:

GranberryReturns wrote:
The Lyle fight was stopped prematurely

Did you even watch the Lyle fight? Ali was knocking him around the ring in the 11th, teeing off on him. Lyle was sagging in the corner being battered until the ref stopped it. How was that premature?

Rope a dope.

If you knock a man down and then FLAGRANTLY violate the rules by not going to and staying in a neutral corner while your opponent takes an 8 count, then score two more extremely quick knockdowns as a result and forcing the end of the fight under the three knockdown rule......... Should that be cons...

Good points. Here are some additional "good points" I do not wish to be "arbitray and/or capricious" at least in terms of moderating this forum. However if you intend to make a show out "walking the line but creating havoc and panic amoungst the population". I am licen...

Harold Johnson

Well you know the original granberry has shown quite an annoyance to your presence. Though you agree with him on many items. Just because of your choice of name. So that is at least creatively and interestingly provocative. As is your "johnny one note" theme of focusing on one fighter to ...

I operate within the rules. I don't attack other posters. I don't use foul language. Ban me if you must but your banning will be arbitrary and capricious. Good points. Here are some additional "good points" I do not wish to be "arbitray and/or capricious" at least in terms of mo...

He beat a muscle bound Ken Norton. That is not the resume of a great fighter. Since when did muscle bound mean anything? At the end of the day Ali STOPPED Liston, Patterson, Frazier, Lyle, Bonavena, Foreman, Quarry, Ellis, Foley, Williams and Foster. Liston was over the hill Patterson had back spas...

I see nobody can refute what I wrote.

I hope Granberry keeps it clean because he is brilliant in pulling back the curtains on the media created charlatan, popinjay, and mountebank that is Muhammad Ali.

Let's get back to discussing the topic and not one another.

OK

BoxBuzz wrote:Nice to hear that you claim that the wins over Sonny were legit.


By the way gran is back and this circus will close if things get tense.

I operate within the rules. I don't attack other posters. I don't use foul language. Ban me if you must but your banning will be arbitrary and capricious.

mugabi wrote:I wonder whose dual account alter ego you really are?

I don't have an alter ego. I only have the truth.

He beat a shot Sonny Liston, a crippled Floyd Patterson, a one eyed Joe Frazier, a callow and inexperienced George Foreman, and a muscle bound Ken Norton. That is not the resume of a great fighter.

Enjoy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvyUa6hmAnE

BoxBuzz wrote:granphoney.....stop.....jus' stop.

I am obeying the rules of this forum. On the other hand, you and the other Ali acolytes are trying to use verbal intimidation against me in a vain attempt to silence me.

After watching the 2nd Louis v Schmeling bout and then reading about the physical damage done to Schmeling I feel that Louis must have had 'loaded' gloves. I know that it is almost heresy but I have seen many, many heavy punchers fight and never seen or heard about such damage been done to another ...

It was clear Frazier was carrying the action, especially the latter rounds, and Ali was about to fall in their rubber match.

...so it's such the fashion for people to say Ali got X amount of gifts after beating Foreman & cementing his popularity. How many, in your opinion, were really gifts? Let's get a number set in stone --- & let's be clear about this. No, "benefit of the doubt" calls being labelled ...

I see posters were unable to list a quality fighter Larry Holmes beat. Why am I not surprised?

Is Muhammad Ali A Top One Hundred Heavyweight

Ali didn't win one round in his trilogies with Joe Fraxzier and Ken Norton despite what his acolytes claim.

I am glad that irene and saad can see through the Ali smoke and mirrors and can see Ali's career for what it was; a media manufactured fraud perpetrated on a gullible public.