Frazier isn't forgotten. Look how many threads come up here with him a large part of the topic. He was a bonafide all-time great and anyone with a lick of sense understands that. Maybe overshadowed by Ali/Foreman and underrated would be a better way of putting it. I always felt that when he was at ...

I've always been a fan of Holyfield but I don't see him winning this fight. Unfortunately for Frazier he had the misfortune of falling between two of the better/best heavyweights of all time in Ali and Foreman and subsequently tends to be largely forgotten/underrated today. I see this fight as going...

Chamberlain would have been as successful at boxing as Ed "Too Tall" Jones. It's hard enough to make the transition from one style of combat sport to another. To think that someone, no matter how athletic or dominant that they are in a completely unrelated sport could, with only a few year...

It amuses me that Quarry was toyed with by a ring rusty Ali and easily stopped on cuts ...and yet Lewis apparently struggles! Lol Lewis in 3. It amuses me that there are people who apparently think that Quarry sucked so bad that he was little better than Frans Botha. I figure that if Frank Bruno, P...

Cus let's be honest here, the "evolution" of boxing IMHO has shown a decrease in defense, stamina, toughness, etc. And that's across all weight divisions. Sadly I have to agree with this assessment. The technical skills in boxing today are simply horrible across the board with the heavywe...

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ That was actually the first fight where he was clowning around and coasting when the fight was very close. Curry beat him comprehensively in the rematch. Thanks I couldn't remember if it was the first or second fight that he was pulling that nonsense, I remember watching both fights...

Bob Sheridan and Ranallo have to be the two all time worst in my opinion. I never understood how either ever got a job in broadcasting. At some point in every single fight Ranallo can be counted on to start screaming hysterically. While not an announcer, Jim Grey is another who I simply can't figure...

Bob Sheridan and Ranallo have to be the two all time worst in my opinion. I never understood how either ever got a job in broadcasting. At some point in every single fight Ranallo can be counted on to start screaming hysterically. While not an announcer, Jim Grey is another who I simply can't figure...

Exactly. In any sport with measurable performances, such as track and field, the times/distances etc had increased by about 15% from 1900 to 1970. It isn't as cut and dried as that, not even in something that you can clearly measure like track and field. It isn't a level playing field, in many/most...

I don't hold the early pioneers from the transitional period from the London Prize ring rules to the Queensbury rules in nearly as high regard as old timers like Nat Fleischer did. I have a hard time buying that boxing peaked in the 20 years after the adoption of the Queensbury rules and then went p...

raylawpc wrote:
Actually, the Wepner knockdown was from a right to the body, and it was an official knockdown . . .

Even though it was an "official" knockdown, Ali went down because Wepner was clearly stepping on his foot. The body punch that he threw barely even landed and the ref made a crappy call.

As always Marciano has a punchers chance but I see Louis just being to technically sound. Louis, by his own admission felt that he would have trouble with Marciano as he felt that he had some trouble with guys who came in out of a crouch. Louis was a very sharp, cutting puncher, if you look at the p...

I don't see this as a very good matchup for Pacquiao who looks his best against guys that strand right in front of him and walk straight in like Rios. I could see Starling giving him fits and out boxing him on a way to a decision win. That being said sometimes Starling could be hit or miss depending...

I think that people tend to vastly over rate Lewis and under rate Quarry. That being said, if Quarry can't get close he can't possibly win if Lewis is able to consistently keep him out at long range. Lewis' offense was very predictable and one dimensional, I figure that if a stiff like Mavrovic coul...

This is pro boxing that we're talking about here not point sparring Karate. Part of the game is knowing how to handle yourself in there. While Holyfield is certainly not a clean fighter I've seen a heck of a lot worse. Besides that Tyson should be one of the last guys to be complaining about dirty t...

While I personally would go with the late 1960s to late 1970's I'm of the opinion that the heavyweight division always tended to be rather top heavy. Even in the 1970's, what a lot of people fondly recall as the "Golden Age" heavyweights, you still had guys like Randy Nuemann, Chuck Wepner...

No, I was talking about the Dawson that was winning fights. Fair enough, however I don't remember watching any Dawson fights where I sat there thinking "Wow this guy really looks like an all time great, he would totally kick Bob Foster's ass." While it may be true that Foster's opposition...

I'm inclined to give the edge in power to Foreman. If anything Liston's power was bit overrated but his boxing ability was underrated. Unfortunately when people think of Liston they tend to remember the slow as molasses 1960's version who was past his best. The 1950's version had a bit quicker hands...

Are we talking about the same Chad Dawson that just got knocked stiff in one round Adonis Stevenson and got dropped repeatedly by the average hitting Andre Ward? I simply can't envision any scenario were Dawson beats Bob Foster. I'd be surprised if he could beat Dick Tiger, John Conteh, Eddie Mustaf...

The losses to Terrell and Jones were rather early in Foster's career and losing to Ali and prime Frazier is hardly any disgrace. As a heavyweight he didn't enjoy the same height and reach advantage that he had against light-heavyweights, couldn't hurt the bigger guys as easily, and was so skinny tha...

The only way this would even be competitive would be if maybe you took the Pryor from the first Arguello fight vs. the Leonard from the first Duran fight (provided Leonard fought the same fight as he did vs. Duran). And even then I still don't see Pryor winning. Any other version(s) would be a clear...

Leif Larsen (former NFL player although his career was short and shot putter) holds the NFL combine record for bench pressing and got recently KOed by christian hammer. A lot of guys are really hung up/impressed by bench press numbers. I used to hear the "How much do you bench?" question ...

Holyfield likely outpoints Lyle and stops Shavers late. However as has already been noted, he all too often had the habit of having too much heart for his own good and standing in there brawling/taking more punishment than he really needed to. Both fights would be wars and if Holyfield had one of hi...

I'm not saying boxing is like tennis and who you beat certainly does matter but dominating a division for 7+ years (no matter how weak it is) does account for something. don't get me wrong there is such thing as a transitional champion between two real greats but more than half a decade is more tha...

but the fighters before that I can't see having a chance (dempsey, marciano, louis, liston...). So you're seriously preposing that Ross Puritty, Chris Byrd, past prime Corrie Sanders, Lamon Brewster, and fat past prime Lennox Lewis (fighters who all hold wins over either Klitschko) are/were so much...