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by tiredoldngrey
12 Mar 2006, 19:11
Forum: Boxing History
Topic: Welters
Replies: 39
Views: 966

I think that Leonard and Hearns are always rated much too highly in all-time polls. Tommy didn't have the ability to fight in close and he wasn't durable enough and against fighters like Basilio McClarnin etc that know how to slip jabs and avoid right hands Tommy would get beaten up. If I sat and co...
by tiredoldngrey
17 Feb 2006, 22:46
Forum: Boxing History
Topic: Jose Luis Ramirez lost a split decision to Arguello?
Replies: 21
Views: 1728

I, too, have a copy of Ramirez/Arguello. For years I had thought Alexis was down twice in the fight; seeing it again refreshed my memory but after watching it a time or two I thought Rmirez had beemn robbed. Recently I watched it for the first time in a year and it seemed a very close fight, though ...
by tiredoldngrey
11 Feb 2006, 23:34
Forum: Boxing History
Topic: kevin rooney
Replies: 8
Views: 486

I think another reason that Rooney doesn't work much any mor is that, other than Tyson, the "Cus Method" doesn't work all that well. Ask Ricky Meyers, Jason Williams, Paz (who apparently ignored Rooney as he fights like he always has). You can also use the name Teddy Atlas in the above; sa...
by tiredoldngrey
11 Feb 2006, 23:22
Forum: Boxing History
Topic: Charley Burleys 4 Title shots.
Replies: 3
Views: 239

He would ko Hearns, outpoint or tko Leonard, decision Monzon. He and Conn woud fight more than once as all would be close fast paced fights, with Burley stalking, Conn moving but picking his spots to stop and move inside with combinations. The fight would all be close and they'd probably split like ...
by tiredoldngrey
07 Feb 2006, 09:29
Forum: Boxing History
Topic: Iran Barkley vs John Mugabi
Replies: 7
Views: 713

Pre-Hagler, and especially the Mugabi that fought Haglr, tops Barkley. After the Hagler fight Iran walks all over him.
by tiredoldngrey
07 Feb 2006, 09:26
Forum: Boxing History
Topic: Biggest punches survived
Replies: 36
Views: 3149

I would hav to go with the Mugabi uppercut vs Hagler, after which Marvin can clearly be seen saying "motherf...." and the right hand Shavers hit Holmes with. Also, the left hook Manfredy dropped Gatti with.
by tiredoldngrey
07 Feb 2006, 09:23
Forum: Boxing History
Topic: Would Chuvalo have given Marciano problems?
Replies: 22
Views: 824

Chuvalo would give any one problems for one simple reason; land your best shot and he's right there punching back. And if Cockell proved troublesome...
by tiredoldngrey
07 Feb 2006, 09:22
Forum: Boxing History
Topic: Who would have won between...
Replies: 15
Views: 723

I'm in agreement with all of the forecasts of dr devious, but I believe that Spinks would ko V.K. in 5-6 much like he did Cooney.
by tiredoldngrey
07 Feb 2006, 05:23
Forum: Boxing History
Topic: Fritzie Zivic in 2006.
Replies: 4
Views: 309

In Zivic you are talking about a guy that beat Armtrong 2 of 3, fought two very close and competitive fights with Ray Robinson, and, outweighed by 15 or more pounds, fought LaMotta to 5 very close decision, winning one, a couple of the others splitting. He fought Beau Jack twice and I've read accoun...
by tiredoldngrey
07 Feb 2006, 05:17
Forum: Boxing History
Topic: GENE TUNNEY VS EZZARD CHARLES...
Replies: 5
Views: 293

At what weight? Charles was 33-20 as a hw and Tunney had only a few fights at that weight. Both were very sharp punchers who scored many kos; neither was a power hitter. Both were more than solid in every aspect of the game; they certainly had mastered theri "ABCs" I think tunney's movemen...
by tiredoldngrey
07 Feb 2006, 05:12
Forum: Boxing History
Topic: Jim Jefrries vs Jack Dempsey
Replies: 28
Views: 1027

My question would be whether the crouch of Jeffries offset the peed and bobbing and weaving attack of Dempsey.
by tiredoldngrey
04 Feb 2006, 16:22
Forum: Boxing History
Topic: Why Didnt Robinson fight Cocoa Kid?
Replies: 5
Views: 324

I asn't tring to imply anything by that, other than that, for one reason or the next, certain fighters of the same er, even those that fought everbody twice seem to miss one another.
by tiredoldngrey
03 Feb 2006, 05:19
Forum: Boxing History
Topic: Surviving a brutal round
Replies: 12
Views: 583

Several years ago I saw fight in Temecula Cali; 12 rounds for the Mexican lightweight title or something. One guy was 19-0 with 15kos and the other guy was 26-0 or something. I have never seen such a beating; the 19-0 guy seemed like he'd never had gloves on before in his life. He got pounded- if th...
by tiredoldngrey
03 Feb 2006, 05:12
Forum: Boxing History
Topic: Fritzie Zivic... (video?)
Replies: 2
Views: 281

I am a huge Zivic fan; my father sparred with him and I have an autograph he signed in 1940. I have a few minutes of one of his fights with Young Kid McCoy. From what I have read I know of no other tape of him. I do know that you can get cds of the radio calls of his fights- two of them- with Armstr...
by tiredoldngrey
03 Feb 2006, 05:07
Forum: Boxing History
Topic: What Boxing style do you most appreciate?
Replies: 25
Views: 965

I love boers like Ricardo Lopez, and boxers like Gene Tunney and boxers like Marciano, and Billy Graham...I love watching fighters that are smart and ood t hat they do. hatever the style. I am so sick of modern "boer-punchers" that I'd sell my soul to see a grab and jab southpaw or somethi...
by tiredoldngrey
03 Feb 2006, 05:03
Forum: Boxing History
Topic: The Most underated of the great champions.
Replies: 29
Views: 1069

What about guys like Ken Overlin? Or Fred Apostoli? Maxie Rosenbloom? Joey Maxim? Boxing is/was such an amazing activity because there were so manyood fighters that never met, or met at inopportune times...Guys that could box or punch...or do nothing well (like Rosenbloom) and still win 240 fights a...
by tiredoldngrey
03 Feb 2006, 04:57
Forum: Boxing History
Topic: Tommy Hearns vs Felix Trinidad @ 154lbs
Replies: 51
Views: 2204

People forget that Hearns kod Duran at 154 in quite a show, but otherwise idn't set the wor on fire. The Hearns that fought Mark Medal ain't beating Trinidad. At 147...Hearns would nail Trinidad early. If Felix got up and recovered like he tended to do he'd get Tommy late; I always felt Hearns was v...
by tiredoldngrey
03 Feb 2006, 04:52
Forum: Boxing History
Topic: Marvin Hagler vs Mickey Walker
Replies: 41
Views: 1251

Not to change the subject but I don't know if Hagler could've handled Walker's pressure. I like walker by a thin UD over 15
by tiredoldngrey
03 Feb 2006, 04:48
Forum: Boxing History
Topic: Gentalman Jim Corbet
Replies: 44
Views: 1610

I think, and this is a fairly recent change of heart for me, that the early gloved/late bare knuckle fighters are horribly underestimated as to their speed, defensive ability and combination punching, and someday I'll post something along those lines... That said, Corbetmust be respected because he ...
by tiredoldngrey
03 Feb 2006, 04:40
Forum: Boxing History
Topic: Your most respected non-champion.
Replies: 38
Views: 1197

There were so many great fighters that never won titls, but back in the day a title didn't matter as much as how good you were. You could make a good living and be highly respected and never get a title shot because there were 8 titles and seveal thousand boxers; now there are several thousand title...
by tiredoldngrey
03 Feb 2006, 04:35
Forum: Boxing History
Topic: Why Didnt Robinson fight Cocoa Kid?
Replies: 5
Views: 324

He never fought Tony zale either... Robinson seemed, to me, to be on courseto be a champion. Sometimes it seems to me as if fighters like Holman Williams and Cocoa Kid and so many others knew they would never get a title shot so they fought for a living, if that makes sense. Maybe it was a differenc...
by tiredoldngrey
08 Jan 2006, 03:16
Forum: Boxing History
Topic: following fighters prime years
Replies: 7
Views: 607

I don't call them prime years: rather, I try and see why a guy is in the Hof, for example, in which years did he prove himself. Tony Zale, for example, has a rather spotty record and there are dozens of MWs with records much better. But he had one stretch where every fight was with top ten opponents...
by tiredoldngrey
08 Jan 2006, 02:59
Forum: Boxing History
Topic: Top ten most boring fighters of all time.
Replies: 27
Views: 1458

Camacho Sr needs to here someplac; I recently had a nightmare of he and Whitaker fightig for 15 rounds.
by tiredoldngrey
08 Jan 2006, 02:54
Forum: Boxing History
Topic: Ezzard Charles vs Evander Holyfield
Replies: 80
Views: 3490

Charles went the distance fightin on the inside with Marciano, in the first ight. So he could win by feeding Evander jabs from afar or uppcuts from..uh..anear :D Just a superior boxer
by tiredoldngrey
08 Jan 2006, 02:51
Forum: Boxing History
Topic: Julio Cesar Chavez
Replies: 25
Views: 2483

For the life of me I cannot follow how it is that Chvez "quit" in the second Randall fight. My understanding of how such things play out is this: there is the accidental butt and the non cut fighter loses a pont. The doctor examines the cut and informs the referee as the the severity if th...