Peter Maher got starched by Bob Fitz but went on to defeat Choynski, Ruhlin, Slavin, Goddard, Klondike, Kennedy, O'Donnell etc.

Part 2. 1886 brought a peak Cloy, with a series of draws in which he generally outperformed good opponents: Jim Fell, Duncan McDonald (twice), and Dave Campbell. He finished the year by fighting as the resident house fighter in the two top clubs in Philadelphia, Clarke's for one week, and then the C...

I have a copy of "The Sundowners" the history of the Black Prizefighter 1870-1930 Volume 11, part one. Over 650 large format pages, magnificent, published by CCK Publications and Kevin Smith.

Eureka!Bob came up trumps with the elusive Dalton-Clow drawn encounter. The above record now modified and a few other additions of exhibitions added too.

Pretty sure I have a copy of it at home, ill check later.

I've used some; working through the rest! see PM.

Frank C Marshall stepped through the batwings of Murphy’s Exchange saloon and fired two shots at John P Clow, before the fighter could get his gun into action, one going through his brain, causing his demise. Apparently, it was an argument over a horse that the ex-prize-fighter John P Clow bought fr...

Updated with a few new fights and some details from Bob's post. More to follow, I suspect. 1882 nov 16 Willis H Cush w ko 17 tern hall denver Police Gazette Medal for middleweights dec 2 Tom Brennan w ko 12 Leadville Colorado Globe Theatre 1883 jan 20 Willis H Cush l f 1 Denver, Colorado West Turner...

No problem at all. They are specialists in that field and have four sources; I've never seen them to be wrong. The 1880 census has John at 17 years old, so he was getting younger all the time! I had him in my records for February 24 1892 also. I think we will have a pretty good bio and record for hi...

great information, thanks!
Any press report on the Dalton fight?
His birthday is definitely February 9th 1861 at Meadville, Crawford, Pennsylvania, thanks to Gregory Speciale and John Barbella. Father Alex and mother Sarah Boyd. Their residence was in Erie at that time.

1882 nov 16 Willis H Cush w ko 17 tern hall denver Police Gazette Medal for middleweights dec Tom Brennan w ko 11 1883 George Morrison w ko 2 Harry Pearson w ko 9 sept 15 Dominic McCaffrey nd 4 Clow stayed 4 rounds and won $50. McCaffrey better. 1884 jun 18 Mike Lange? ? w ko 2 Indiana Indianapolis...

I don't mean to demean a big undertaking but a system that has a Jeffries win over Peter Jackson as in any way meaningful, needs tweaking.

Nice list Matt and well done. I am surprised that there is no place for Bruce Woodcock amongst the fifty. Whilst he was no great shakes, his knockout victories over Lesnevich and Oma plus his victory over Olek surely puts him ahead of Joe Muscato, for instance. Miles Templeton Savold, too, I don't ...

Very valid post, I think all three are very close and I'm torn about taking up your suggestion, I was actually surprised at the lack of depth on Ray's ledger, Savold(who everybody beat) and Walker and wins and losses to Lovett and Reddish. Loss to Thompson and then winding down defeats by Riviera an...

Thanks, whoever!

Just for fun, I'll have a shot at picking winners, best versions of the fighters; Tubbs -Chisora Witherspoon-Povetkin Tucker -Wilder Williams -Pulev Douglas -Miller Mercer -Hunter jr Ruddock- Zhang Bruno -Joshua McCall- Kabayel Sanders -Bakole Akinwande- Fury Bowe -Hrgovic Zolkin- Joyce Golota- Dubo...

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑13 Jan 2026, 18:41 Did you mean the 50s and 60s?

Yes. Thanks, me bad!

Here are the two decades, 50's and 60's, I'm not sure there were that many differences. BTW the ratings for the decades are strictly for fights only in that time space; Marciano Ali Liston liston Charles Frazier Walcott Patterson Johansson Ellis Patterson Quarry Moore Terrell Machen Folley H.Johnson...

Boxrec tends to ignore any corrections I suggest for older records, and there are many inaccuracies, naturally, but the November 5 1895, win for Bob Armstrong over Frank Slavin never happened. Bob had a long reach, but Slavin was on the other side of the World, in London at the time. This affects th...

A lot of 50/60 HWs did ok against 60/70 contenders, think also Liston, Terrell, Cooper(?) Harold Johnson and Moore, how do you think they stack up? Of course, one group is starting to slide while the other side is green, but to me it suggests that at their best they are pretty even, thoughts?

Yeah, you are spot on about the waves at either end of a decade, 1910's and the '50's were the worst, Liston, Patterson, Folley and Machen were so different from Marciano, Charles, Walcott in terms of opponents etc, thank god for Archie Moore!

HomicideHenry wrote: ↑28 Dec 2015, 18:54 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTQm6X30VqU

^^^^can see Corbett talk on film on here

Thanks.

And so it goes on. In this decade, it is vital to realise we are only dealing with fights within the decade! Marciano 1 Liston 2 Charles 3 Walcott 4 Johansson5 Patterson6 Moore 7 Machen 8 H.Johnson9 Jackson 10 Folley 11 Baker 12 Layne 13 Henry 14 Valdes 15 Satterfield16 Slade 17 Cl.Williams 18 Louis...

Jeffries claimed that O'Brien tried to bribe him, and I had forgotten that Jack had also mentioned Tommy Ryan.

There are multiple sources in May 1907 after the failed frame-up with Burns, The Oakland Tribune, May 22nd, 1907, page 14 is an example. He cites fights with Fitz, Peter Jackson, Berger, Joe Walcott and the report also mentions McCoy, Maher, Carter, Jack Sullivan, Schreck.