McCallum's wins over the likes of Kalambay, Herol Graham and Michael Watson are impressive. As far as I can tell he was only beaten once in his prime. The second Toney fight seems to have been highly controversial. I don't see Hagler's victims having much chance against someone as consistent as McC...

Mike McCallum was better than anyone Hagler beat. In fact I would not be terribly surprised if McCallum could beat Hagler. And what is that based on, a win over Micheal Watson? I didn't exactly see Mike burning down middleweights with his skill and power. He never faced the top contenders of that t...

kick asner wrote:Ringsider is the only guy I have seen who refered to Hagler as a plodder. Are you sure you don't have these guys mixed up? If he reads this he will probably be back to chime in to say how he thinks Hagler was not much of a fighter.

it's on the first page of this thread.

here's another winning line from theone came up with. He puts Toney on the same level as Hagler saying he would have given him fits. Toney was the one having fits every time I saw him at 160. Let me name them for you: Micheal Nunn, Reggie Johnson, Mike McCallum. The last two which could have gone ei...

What about pre-reign? Briscoe, Hart, Seales, Monroe. I just can't put Hopkins over Hagler EVER, especially when it comes down to opponents faced. Pre-reign Hagler was held to a draw by Sugar Ray Seales. He was on the losing end of two controversial decision against Bobby Watts and Willie Monroe. He...

That's a complete whitewash of the two fighters' respective careers. Do you engage in this type of bul lsh it arguing on a regular basis? Why is it bullshit? Anyone saying that Hopkins would have given Hagler a close fight.... now that's bullshit . You can't expect me to believe Hopkins was better ...

Why is it bullshit? Anyone saying that Hopkins would have given Hagler a close fight....now that's bullshit. Hopskins was just as tough, strong and powerful as the any of the brawlers(Roldan,Hamsho,Lee,Antefuermo,etc) Hagler feasted on during his reign. He was also vastly superior to them in boxing...

Decagon wrote:Damn, are you still mad because I said that I wasn't impressed with Bitschko's LOSSES to Byrd and Lewis?!?!?!?!

You are pretty dull.

I don't buy the excuse Bernard lost because was green. Both had roughly the same number of fights and turned pro the same year. That's a complete whitewash of the two fighters' respective careers. Do you engage in this type of bul lsh it arguing on a regular basis? Why is it bullshit? Anyone saying...

Hopkins did win around 4 or 5 rounds in that fight, depending on how generous you're being. Also, the rounds were fairly competitive. That's not what I'd call one-sided. Considering the amount of weight Roy had taken off the day before the fight (to make weight) and the fact that he was fighting wi...

BoxBuzz wrote:Decagon....I'll not stand for another cross word against a bakery item that is sold at Dunkin Donuts....I have a cousin who is a police officer. Give the muffin his props.

:P That's funny.

Can't agree with the assessment of Hopkins against Hagler. Hagler was an all time great-even #1 middleweight of all time wheras Hopkins only qualifies as a semi great.

All time great

great

semi-great (Hopkins-lost one sided decision to Roy Jones)

Anyway you look at, Hagler was disappointing the night he fought Duran. He just didn't attack him like the guy had killed his pigeons. You could see it right from the beginning, metaphorically speaking, he wasen't breathing fire, he wasen't on a search and destroy mission. Compare that with Tommy H...

Angelo Dundee kept telling Leonard "you're blowin it son" so he'd become more agressive and KO Hearns, WHICH HE DID. That's right. He was blowing it for most of the fight and that was supposedly his crowning achievement. But since he didn't look that great, only winning four rounds in all...

I know Hagler has his detractors on this board but anyone who thinks the Marvellous one isn't in the top 3 MW of all time needs to go back to the tapes. In terms of accomplishment I agree. However watching thoses same fight tapes I also came to the conclusion that there are at least four ATG middle...

Damn and I had some nice property in Florida for ya too. If I've learned one thing in life it's that you can't sneak much past a muffin. Roy Jones W15 Monzon. No contest. All night long, Roy would score before Monzon could blink. maybe I'm underestimating Monzon but I doubt it. I've seen him enough...

Decagon wrote:But then you have his fights with Dave Tiberi, Montell Griffin, Drake Thadzi and Roy Jones, where he showed up completely out of shape.

he wasn't out of shape for Jones. He was outclassed.

That article was bs. What he said about Monzon was true but he intentionally looked at their worst fights and weaknesses, however small so he could declare monzon winner in comparisons. If Mike O'dowd could do it, then Monzon certainly would have to be favored. I never pick winners based on their wo...

Hitting elbows and gloves, shoeshining, and fighting the last 30 seconds of the last 8 rounds is enough to win? what is shoeshining?? showboating?? Anyway i honestly didnt notice that he was just coming on in the last part of each round and expecting to win, it wasnt a significant factor for me. I ...

I was of course never offended.....when most people think they are in an arguement with me, I'm thinking we're just starting to really communicate. This has been and always will be one of the great legendary debates of boxing. For the record this forum clearly favors Hagler.....I think it has to do...

We can also talk about the nine draws Monzon had on his record. Not exactly a perfect, spotless record To find those draws and the two losses, you have to go back to the early and mid 60s whan monzon was a semi homeless 20 something kid living on the streets boxing so he could eat. That is the case...

Okay, you want to talk about the last fight Hagler was in but that's a cheap shot. We can also talk about the nine draws Monzon had on his record. Not exactly a perfect, spotless record. That would be playing dumb though because I know Monzon had to have improved from those days even as Hagler impro...

Buzzbox...Thank you for your welcome and for you kind words. You might notice in my other con5tributions in some other threads, I am not shy about swimming upstream , especially when it comes to nixing myth and misconception of boxing history Blueberry, Monzon was not as fast as Hagler, agreeed But...

Carlos Monzon, who for my money was the best all around pound for pond fighter of all tiime, would have destroyed Hagler. I am not seeing a clearly defined single punch Ko, or even a single punch that would hurt haggler. I envision Monzon wereing him down, and in about round 7 or 8, Hagler going do...

I'm absolutely sure that Stanley Ketchell would knocked out Marvin Hagler (good boxer, good chin, but Juan Roldán knocked him down); remember as Stanley k.d. Jack Johnson (!!!) And I wants to known what chances would have Hagler before boys like Tony Zale or Rocky Graziano... :D :box: :box: I liked...