Pre or post Hagler Mugabi? (Have I misunderstood 154 as being the weight rather than the time period).

Pre Ruiz I'd be more unsure about this one, after that I just feel that Johnson's ability to hit without being hit back and his stamina makes him a slight favourite.

For me: Prime v Prime = one sided for Holmes. Old Holmes v Prime Morrison = 50-50. Don't see a realistic scenario where you can favour Morrison.

The fact David Haye could be competitive in recent times shows that Ali wouldn't have been swamped or out of his era/depth today. Yes Haye hits harder but he doesn't have a better chin, speed, skills, movement, reach etc. I'm sticking with the fact the only one who knows how to or could potentially ...

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑16 Jun 2020, 16:42 Interesting to think what might have happened to Froch if he’d actually fought Calzaghe when it was being mooted. I’d say there’s a decent chance it turns into a Lacy-esq schooling and ruins the rest of his career.

Strong chance he's not in the super 6 off the back of it. And that made him.

Considering the comparative levels of skills, speed, strength, etc, the difference in size that Leonard enjoys actually counts for something in itself. Just seems like a step too far.

The only one I see where the height difference matters is Fury because he's an awkward individual and knows how to use that, with more fluidity than someone like WK. I can't see Joshua outboxing or landing on prime Ali and Wilder, if he did land, we're possibly talking like Fury, he gets back up, he...

I think there is a case for saying Froch simply wasn't at Calzaghe's level at that time so he wasn't going to be value. I mean supposed he comfortably beats Froch, like 118s or 119s, maybe shut outs, (realistically considering at this stage and further down the line Kessler beats Froch and that's no...

I'd say that possibly held Bruno back, potentially too many fights where he was either bowling over guys or able to beat them with the same basic style, so he didn't make the development as as boxer to help him compete at the top level. It did,he never learned to grab when hurt,only managed that on...

A fast start is the way to beat Froch. Nobody managed it but Benn would have. He would have absolutely mullered Froch silly in the first round. It would have looked like a mix of Benn's fight with Barkley but worse, with an ending similar to Hopkins final exit from the ring. I'm never quite sure if...

Look at the list of no hopers,past it opponents Bruno beat inbetween each title challenge,compare that to the quality fighters in the past that got one chance if they were lucky I'd say that possibly held Bruno back, potentially too many fights where he was either bowling over guys or able to beat ...

Maybe just me but this would have seriously bad accident all over it.

So the one thing we can state with certainty is that it still gets up Froch's (ample) hooter that he didn't get to fight Calzaghe and he is never going to stop the sniping.

Old bones Ian wrote: ↑15 Jun 2020, 10:44


With or without Don King, Witherspoon didn't take advantage of his natural skills.

Can't argue with that really but I do think King's continual screwing over of Witherspoon confirmed his falling out of interest in being even remotely what he could have been.

I think with the McCall fight you do have to allow for him knowing he just had to stay upright for the last round to be world champion, I suspect tactically and due to mental exhaustion (on top of physical exhaustion) that explains the last round. I don't know if I'd say Witherspoon was set up for h...

11 rounds of pretty fierce boxing. I don't see the fitness issues and it's been proven time and time again that physical appearance proves nothing in the HW division. I think Bruno was pretty much at his peak in this fight. I've heard it said a few times that he lacked aggression and spite in the r...

With hindsight, Frank Bruno winning the WBC Heavyweight title is an overachievement for a late starting muscleman with a dodgy chin (maybe I should put this in the unpopular opinions thread :OhYes: ). I'm a bit torn on Bruno, he wasn't in the class of Lewis or Tyson and you could easily say he over...

Watching this one and the Tyson fight again showed a few things that Bruno doesn't get credit for but also showed how he didn't really develop. (Firstly I don't think Witherspoon was in that bad a shape). Against TW Bruno worked the body, something he never really developed before or after but did a...

Was a unified world champ with some good wins and regularly fighting good opposition, nice career where he got to mix with some excellent fighters and was a lot of fun. Even a bit blown up at 147 he got a decent string of wins over Alexander, Algeiri, Collazo. Khan has the type of career where it's...

Reading the recent Eubank v Benn stuff in BN, there's some comments from senior that suggest he was very much do what it takes and keep it at that. I was going to say Lloyd Honeyghan for this but I'm never sure if it was a case of he dropped to the opponents level after beating Curry or just blew it...

as many as “20 Youtubers” queuing to ask the same person the same question and invariably getting the same answer. This is the problem with social media "journos" generally though. Where a media outlet can use stock footage of a question being asked/answered or a news conference, the soci...

Did anyone think brook was ever gonna he special? I thought he struggled against that Carson dude. Would always be world level but I want gonna be Naz There was a pretty much open acknowledgement he messed up the weight and approach for the Jones fight. He was gassing badly in that fight. He fought...

If he's decided he wants some domestic level fights, domestic titles, we know he can dominate at that level. The difficult fights domestically are against guys who are competing above that anyway and won't be in the mix there. He could settle to that level and earn some good money from a few more fi...

Surprised no ones mentioned Khan. His limitations were shown early on against the likes of Limond and even getting dropped by a 76 year old Gomez. Matched against what many thought was a very weak champ to win his title. To be fair he defended against Maidana and fought Alvarez so there were hard f...

banjo wrote: ↑23 May 2020, 04:38

I think Hagler vs Mugabi was a far better fight.