Boxrec pressure on Mexican Boxing Promoters ??

[punchy1]

I have heard a disturbing rumor /allegations concerning boxrec. I wonder if anyone can provide information / insight.
Apparently and allegedly according to sources, boxrec has allegedly put pressure on certain promoters /commissions in Mexico and will allegedly not record the bouts on their shows as being legitimate. Apparently, according to sources, this was done because allegedly someone close to the owner of boxrec did not like the idea of "yanks" (Americans) beating Mexican fighters on shows that are close to the border. So now, allegedly there is a limit on the number of Americans that can participate on each show, the rest of the bouts will feature Mexican fighters vs Mexican fighters.

IF this is true, this is what this means:

Americans (and Canadians / and others) will stop going to Mexico to either or build, stay busy, or resurrect their careers.
The money for slot fees paid to a promoter will dry up. The welcome and exorbitant (by Mexican standards) purses paid to the Mexican opponents by Americans will cease. Of course the promoters, trainers, etc all take a piece of these purses, same as elsewhere. Boxing will dry up in Mexico, as the American money enabled the promoters to turn a profit and funded the cards they have. American boxers, trainers, etc., will stop going to these border towns and tourism money, spent at restaurants, hotels, etc, will go to zero. Even Mexican boxers fighting other Mexicans will find it much harder to find work in the ring, and will, if they can, not be paid nearly as much as they once were. These opponent types, same as everywhere else in the world, need these fights and the money they bring to feed their families, pay bills, rent, etc, , especially in a economically depressed country like Mexico.

Mexican fighters will either not fight, or fight other Mexicans for a fraction of the money they were accustomed to. There will be more injuries as each fight will be a war, as no one can afford to lose and take time off, as they previously have, because with reduced amount of the purses, they will have to fight much more often.

Overall, this hurts a necessary and historically welcome economic aspect of the sport. Understanding that prize-fighting was started to help people to eat, feed their families, etc.. must be recognized.

I understand that it may be a well intended move to either restore pride to many of the Mexican fighters, or to stop 'record padding" by rich Yankees. However, the pride of the Mexican people is unquestioned. Putting food on the table is not. As far as "record padding" goes, this has existed since boxing, and is necessary, or all fighters evenly matched all the time would see everyone with a .500 record.

Again, I do not know the veracity of these allegations, but IF they are accurate or somewhat accurate, I would caution whoever is the prime mover for these actions to study the culture and economics of this area in boxing before coming down with any edicts, and hopefully rescind these threats/ polices.

This is highly unusual for a record keeper to be so involved in the sport and insert themselves in a situation under the mistaken guise of moral superiority In Europe it is done with fighters from Hungry, former eastern European countries.

Threatening to not record bouts because of disagreeing with how promoters are doing business is a very slippery slope and not your place

[margaret thatcher]

Interesting stuff and post

I did notice for the last little while there has seemingly been a rise in 'record padding tourism' down to mexico

Thing is, let's be honest, pretty much anywhere you go in the world you get the same thing, with guys building their records on guys brought in to lose. That's why UK has plenty of dudes who are like 2-67

[H8Usernames]

Interesting. This would mean boxrec has changed from being a boxing records archive online to the worlds foremost boxing authority. True? Probably not, why on earth would boxrec mess with this? More likely covid 19 and the declining state of boxing in general is contributing to this.

[punchy1]

I donor know why they would do this, but according to sources they indeed are doing this. Let’s see if the august 21st fights in Rosarito outside of Tijuana get listed.

Sources indicate/ allege a person VERY Close to the owner of boxrec took this stance and made this happen. A social justice warrior type of stance to be sure.

IF this is true, boxrec becomes A very politicized sote that only control information, but becomes the sole arbiter of whose fights count !

Not good at all.

[gregregegg]

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[margaret thatcher]

BoxRec wasnt even including fights for guys like Navarette and Berchelt lately...guys who are obviously world class

[TheBeast]

Boxrec doesn't have half of the mx cards i watch listed.... Nothing new... Been more frequent for asian boxing in recent years but now it seems boxrec struggles to list all cards happening... Prob just promoters not putting worth into taking the time to post details about their cards on Boxrec. I don't think there is a limit as i have seen some shows with LOTS of N-American fighters involved... They are padding as most get a quick stoppage... but they are real fights.

[punchy1]

It gets better.. boxrec isn't the gentle record keeper they once were....

boxrec charges 15$ per fight as a "data base fee" to list that fight. Add 100$ if it is
Pay-per-view..

That's on legit authority from a respected US promoter who promotes solely in the US.
So if you do not pay, your fighter doesn't get the credit for the bout..... that is, if true, which I believe it to be, very dishonest and simply not listing a fighter's bout on their official record because you were not paid to do so is extortion.

Yes there is corruption with various commissions.. Backwater places to NYC ... Should Arturo Gatti not be credited with the win over Joey Gamache because he never really made the weight ? It is not up to boxrec to decide what gets credited... it is the place of the commissions to do so.

FightFax, which boxrec effectively killed off did not pull this crap...

As far as limit on N American guys fighing.. this is brand new... ..

[margaret thatcher]

Good points for sure, though the type of 'yanks' who go over to beat trash cans are generally not good at all themselves, and go there because they can't get any steam on their career in the usa. I really doubt there would be some nationsalistic motivation in not counting those guys wins, those types of guys are very rarely serious players in boxing anyway, would some British dude really care much about them?

Also mexico has more than enough fighters of its own and other areas for boxing to not dry up there if these types of fights dont happen

Boxrec was recently suggesting the results werent recorded because the mexican commissions werent actually at the fights. this led to cases where world class mexicans didnt have wins against other mexicans recorded. Is this something beyond that?

It's true for sure about the huge mismatches-- essentially 'buy a win' stuff----happening all over in other places and being counted, but it's not totally clear that BoxRec is actually doing i n mexico what the guy tells you they are.

[margaret thatcher]

Btw, did this guy talk directly to John Shep or something? For all we know, he could've seen on BoxRec that certain fights in Mexico werent being counted, and then just decided himself that it was some nationalistic thing

[TheBeast]

Yeah i think John should comment because those are kind of wild allegations... meaning someone could invent fights for 15$... no buying it...

And IMO some fights have been picking wins in mx because they can be more active doing so... Last year and early 2020, Big Punch Arena had 2 cards per week... Aside Korakuen Hall in Jp... that was a Very if not the busiest venue... So not surprise fighters want to go there for an easy W.

[punchy1]

Respectfully, you totally missed what I was saying. I am not saying someone would or could invent fight for 15$,, not at all.. Saying if you are a promoter and want your results listed, it will cost you 15$ per bout. I assume these would have to be verified by the commission, but it will still cost 15$ to have your bout listed. I did not get clarification if this fee was to list the bout in the schedule and/ or the result.....

As far as nationalistic motivations, again, no one insinuated that. Point missed there. What I was told was that the allegations were someone connected with boxrec did not think it right or fair in essence that "wealthy" Americans were going to Mexico to secure wins from the economically disadvantaged people there.

When an American goes there, they pay a "slot fee" to the promoter, as well as the opponent's purse & blood test. This money is all profit for the promoter.. He doesn't have to pay for the bout and actually makes money via the slot fee, often 400 plus American dollars, which when converted to pesos is - a lot. This enables these shows to cover costs and be very profitable indeed, thus leading to more shows...

Allegedly the information is now known to certain promoters in Mexico, and it will be a true test if the August 21 fights in Rosarito - the results, for any Americans on the card are listed.

As far as the Americans going there to fight because of lower skill levels, thats a big nothing burger. While probably true in many cases, as far as the rules of boxing, commissions, be it the ABC or WBC or whatever go, if they are being followed then it is no justification to not list the results because it may be deemed a mismatch or easy fight. Lets talk about mismatches that were commission approved by a stringent commission --Floyd Mayweather vs Mcgregor was an ATG champion multi title holder vs a pro debut. This was listed, as it was approved by the state commission in question.

Bottom line is that IF these allegations are true, boxrec should cease this sort of behavior

[margaret thatcher]

Apologies mate if I got you wrong, I just saw it all there throughout your posts about "yanks" (quotation marks baby) and yankees and all those muricans getting barred and quotiented just for being muricans--someone doesn't like Muricans specifically winning these fights.

Who is the person close to the boxrec owner who came up with this new policy ? and how does the person making these claims about them know they said this? how did this info come out? I mean what seperates this from just being another rumour without a clear basis?

As mentioned, mex vs mex cards featuring world class fighters with big promoters have been cut too, for the reason given that commission reps weren't present, is this really anything beyond this? Did you just get some dude who is upset and came up with his own reasons?

If it is what you say, I agree it's weird and shouldnt be happening, but tbh im not really convinced this is actually true

[punchy1]

This comes directly from Mexican promoters from a border town that Americans frequent. Same promoter let it be known only 4 Americans in a card from now on. Apparently according to sources the august 21 card in Tijuana will not be put on boxrec nor counted. The promoter alleges that the commission also related this info and related that these bouts would not be counted in boxrec.

As far as the initiator behind this being close to the boxrec owner... I heard an name and how this person is very close but I wound call out names and speak on that until I’m 100% certain. Even though I believe the majority of allegations I won’t throw names around.

Do I believe this ? Yes I do. I know a few pro fighters who also backed up this information after being told no more Mexico fights and one even won’t get her latest win entered into boxrec. That’s serious to me and serious to the sport.

As far as a reliable source for the other issue of the 15$ fee per fight, I heard it directly out of a promoters mouth to mine. Unsolicited. Again, I am not sure if that’s to list a scheduled bout or a result. I do know that promoters in Mexico do squeeze US based boxers for cash to have the boxrec updated in a week, vs. several months.

[H8Usernames]

This comes directly from Mexican promoters from a border town that Americans frequent. Same promoter let it be known only 4 Americans in a card from now on. Apparently according to sources the august 21 card in Tijuana will not be put on boxrec nor counted. The promoter alleges that the commission also related this info and related that these bouts would not be counted in boxrec.

As far as the initiator behind this being close to the boxrec owner... I heard an name and how this person is very close but I wound call out names and speak on that until I’m 100% certain. Even though I believe the majority of allegations I won’t throw names around.

Do I believe this ? Yes I do. I know a few pro fighters who also backed up this information after being told no more Mexico fights and one even won’t get her latest win entered into boxrec. That’s serious to me and serious to the sport.

As far as a reliable source for the other issue of the 15$ fee per fight, I heard it directly out of a promoters mouth to mine. Unsolicited. Again, I am not sure if that’s to list a scheduled bout or a result. I do know that promoters in Mexico do squeeze US based boxers for cash to have the boxrec updated in a week, vs. several months.

A guy at a bar told me the other day that Muhammed Ali is going to be making a comeback soon. I didnt catch the fellows name but I dont think that he was lieing to me.

[punchy1]

I have spoken to legit promoters Here in the US and Mexico MYSELF. and legit fighters who were fighting firsthand. I will not reveal who said what as it will have the potential to destroy careers.

Tell you what, let’s wait and see if they post all the fight results from Tijuana that happened in the past several months (not listed as of yet) and the August 21st card in Rosario. If they do not, then I’d say it gives further credence to this being real.

Where there is smoke there is fire indeed. I Belger this and trust the many independent sources.

[punchy1]

Rosarito not Rosario

[John]

Yes lots of fake fights in Rosarito and Tijuana, lots of Mexicans saying they didn't fight or were paid to fall over. Americans saying such and such a fighter got a win in Rosarito last weekend but I saw him in Miami on that night etc etc. It's a record farming operation, not pro boxing, a huge mess.

[SportsRatings]

some of these are doable... but some im not sure if its even possable. putting on 100lbs in 6 weeks (17lbs a week)

That was Salvador's opponent who was 200 lbs, and Lovejoy himself who was 300lbs. Salvador was 253, then 260, nothing to see in that case

Same with Juan Luiz Lopez Alcazer, you're looking at opponents' weights.

[punchy1]

Yes. I saw the Rosario fights on Facebook live. Couldn’t make out the names of the boxers, but there were fights Martha Najera (Martha najeraboxing on Facebook) has the fights recorded and showed them live, so somebody fought.
Apparently this all goes back to a Mexican fighter who allegedly did a dive job And now admits as much, on national television when fighting a local politician (who had pec implants btw) - this was sometime in the last but you can search and see the video.
From what I have been told, the boxer who claims to have thrown the fight wanted to squeeze more money from a promoter and when he could not then went to the commission.

The question remains, is boxrec not recognizing any fights in Tijuana / Rosarito now at all?
Does boxrec know and are they responsible for the edict of no US fighters to fight there ?

[punchy1]

John,

Not saying easy fights don’t happen everywhere, but do you have proof?
Besides whatever limited skill Mexicans who are now probably suspended for life saying they took dives ? And besides Americans claiming they saw other guys who were listed as fighting being elsewhere ? Do you have proof. One thing I would look at is the videos from Rosarito. Martha Najera has them on her FB. That’s one way to sort out this mess. Just seems irresponsible to ban a whole area from having bouts recorded based on unsubstantiated accusations with zero to no evidence and just here say.

[John]

The commission even admitted it to us.

[punchy1]

Are you going to post the results of the august 21 fights ? I think they are still holding shows in Tijuana, does that mean they can hold shows but the bouts won’t be recorded ?
A question, of a state like NY admitted to having boxers take dives would you no longer recognize any NY boxing, or just the ones that were in question ?
How long will this be for ?

[punchy1]

So it is true that boxrec won’t recognize any fights from Tijuana ??
Yes or no please

[punchy1]

John ,

Is boxrec recognizing any fights from Tijuana ?
Just Mexican vs Mexican ?
American vs Mexican ?
I was told American vs American would be recognized but not Mexican vs American.

Is this true ??