'Best Of British' - All-time, all-weights

[m1kee50]

Righto, we'll put it to the vote.

Please submit your top ten all time best British fighters, active or retired, any weight. The stipulation 'British' is that they must be listed as United Kingdom fighters on the Boxrec Ratings. This is to save arguments, hopefully.

a fighter placed 1st will recieve 10 points, the fighter placed tenth, 1 point.
the points will be tallied, and I will let youse know what the final result is.

Deadline for lists will be Wednesday 30th April, 0800 GMT. I should be able to tally them that evening.

[knockout]

Just to throw some names in the hat

Lennox Lewis
Jimmy Wilde
Randy Turpin
Lloyd Honeyghan
Joe Calzaghe
John Conteh
Ken Buchanan
Howard Winstone


I think you cannot underestimate the "eight divisions" and "one world champion" of the pre 60s.

Modern champions may have lots of defences but how many can be considered undisputed....

For example would Joe have been a world champion at all if there was no super middle division and he had to fight RJJ in 1997

[m1kee50]

Just to throw some names in the hat

Lennox Lewis
Jimmy Wilde
Randy Turpin
Lloyd Honeyghan
Joe Calzaghe
John Conteh
Ken Buchanan
Howard Winstone


I think you cannot underestimate the "eight divisions" and "one world champion" of the pre 60s.

Modern champions may have lots of defences but how many can be considered undisputed....

For example would Joe have been a world champion at all if there was no super middle division and he had to fight RJJ in 1997

I know its a complicated one, but please come back and do a list, so we can get an idea of an order

[Horse]

1. Jimmy Wilde
2. Robert Fitzsimmons*
3. Ted "kid" Lewis
4. Lennox Lewis
5. Freddie Welsh
6. Joe Calzaghe
7. Jackie "Kid" Berg
8. Lloyd Honeyghan
9. Jimmy McLarnin*
10. Naseem Hamed

11. Randy Turpin
12. Ken Buchanan
13. Benny Lynch
14. Ricky Hatton
15. Barry McGuigan*

Not sure who Boxrec says is British or not, so I included an extra five to make sure at least ten of them are British according to Boxrec.

[Poncey]

Just to throw some names in the hat

Lennox Lewis
Jimmy Wilde
Randy Turpin
Lloyd Honeyghan
Joe Calzaghe
John Conteh
Ken Buchanan
Howard Winstone


I think you cannot underestimate the "eight divisions" and "one world champion" of the pre 60s.

Modern champions may have lots of defences but how many can be considered undisputed....

For example would Joe have been a world champion at all if there was no super middle division and he had to fight RJJ in 1997

I know its a complicated one, but please come back and do a list, so we can get an idea of an order

Now you know how I feel with the P4P one! You read my mind on this Matt.

Glad you're doing it, not me.

[m1kee50]

Just to throw some names in the hat

Lennox Lewis
Jimmy Wilde
Randy Turpin
Lloyd Honeyghan
Joe Calzaghe
John Conteh
Ken Buchanan
Howard Winstone


I think you cannot underestimate the "eight divisions" and "one world champion" of the pre 60s.

Modern champions may have lots of defences but how many can be considered undisputed....

For example would Joe have been a world champion at all if there was no super middle division and he had to fight RJJ in 1997

I know its a complicated one, but please come back and do a list, so we can get an idea of an order

Now you know how I feel with the P4P one! You read my mind on this Matt.

Glad you're doing it, not me.

Im not responsible for the end result, im just doing the sums lol

[Lenny]

1 Jimmy Wilde
2 Bob Fitzsimmons
3 Kid Lewis
4 Lennox Lewis
5 Ken Buchanan
6 Kid Berg
7 Freddie Welsh
8 Jim Driscoll
9 Joe Calzaghe
10 Randy Turpin

[Poncey]

1 Wilde
2 Fitzsimmons
3 Turpin
4 Lewis (Lennox)
5 Lynch
6 Calzaghe
7 Hamed
8 Honeyghan
9 Buchanan
10 Lewis (Kid)

[Walker Smith Jr.]

1. Jimmy Wilde
2. Lennox Lewis
3. Joe Calzaghe
4. Bob Fitzsimmons
5. Naseem Hamed
6. Ted 'Kid' Lewis
7. Ken Buchanan
8. Ricky Hatton
9. John 'H' Stracey
10. Nigel Benn

[dr_devious]

1. Jimmy Wilde
2. Bob Fitzsimmons
3. Benny Lynch
4. Lennox Lewis
5. Jim Driscoll
6. Ted "Kid" Lewis
7. Jack "Kid" Berg
8. Freddy Welsh
9. Ken Buchanan
10. Joe Calzaghe

[Chris W 1982]

1.Lennox Lewis
2.Bob Fitzsimmons
3.Ted Lewis
4.Jimmy Wilde
5.Naseem Hamed
6.Randy Turpin
7.Joe Calzaghe
8.Kid Berg
9.Ken Buchanan
10.John Conteh

[m1kee50]

thanks for the replies so far, keep em coming lads

[observer1]

1. Lewis
2. Prince Naseem
3. Wilde
4. Fitzsimmons
5. Ted Lewis
6. Chris Eubank
7. Buchanan
8. Turpin
9. Benn
10. Joe Calzaghe

[STP]

1. Kid Lewis
2. Fitzsimmons
3. Benn
4. Wilde
5. Buchanan
6. Lynch
7. Moran
8. Hamed
9. Welsh
10. Kid Berg


Moran, Benn and Hamed crossed the pond and knocked out top Yanks, something which the likes of Lennox, Hatton and Calzaghe didn't do... (Moran got two draws with Abe Attell! Benn definitely bettered Eubank in the rematch)

Kid Berg, Barry, Lloyd, Hatton all somewhat one-hit wonders...

Buchanan going close with the lb4lb best world fighter ever in the lb4lb best world fighter ever's physical peak, and having to be hit low, counts for a lot for me...

Some fighters refuse to give rematches (Calzaghe-Reid, etc)... the Kid Lewis fought the incredible Jack Britton about 300 times... and rumour has it was robbed against the amazing, masterful all-timer Benny Leonard (according to Washington Post and Calgary Herald!)... won titles from bantamweight to heavyweight or something stupid... and clearly was robbed against the greatest European fighter ever George Carpentier, taking a sucker punch ala Rocchigiani-Michalczewski...

[funso banjo baby]

Chris Eubank

Nigel Benn

Michael Watson

[Crew2]

POST WAR

LENNOX LEWIS
NIGEL BENN
KEN BUCHANAN
JOHN CONTEH
NAZ
RANDY TURPIN
JOHN H STRACEY
RICKY HATTON
JOE CALZAGHE
RAGGAMUFFIN MAN

[Spud]

Post war - and I put it at that because we are all to reliant on what has been printed in the various publications prior to that to form a decent opinion concerning other eras - in addition with the glare of the media and TV nowadays I feel boxers are under a lot more glare nowadays to form an even better opinion than boxers from yesterday year.

I only have 3 - one has surprised me because I feel he has to be there and that is Calzaghe:

Lennox Lewis
Joe Calzaghe
Ricky Hatton/Ken Buchanan

Those three in my view deserve to be there and in my opinion for many reasons deserve to be there and are the best from the 1970's onwards!!!

[Al Savani]

1,Lennox
2,Calzaghe
3,Hatton
4,Benn
5,Hamed
6,Buchanan
7,Conteh
8,Honeyghan
9,McGuigan
10,Watt

I can't make an honest judgement on many I haven't seen,so pre-80s is troubling

[Al Savani]

Lets not under estimate Watts win over Howard Davis jr.,who was supposed to never lose. Huge underdog going into that was Jim,and giving away an awful lot in terms of natural talent.

[Old bones Ian]

Here's my list of top 30, this only includes Retired boxers, so Calzaghe and Haye don't make it in at the mo

1. Lennox Lewis
2. Naseem Hamed
3. John Conteh
4. Lloyd Honeyghan
5. Chris Eubank
6. Johnny Nelson
7. Nigel Benn
8. Maurice Hope
9. Barry McGuigan
10. Jim Watt
11. Alan Minter
12. Herol Graham
13. Dave McAuley
14. Dennis Andres
15. Carl Thompson
16. Steve Robinson
17. Kirkland Laing
18. Duke Mckenzie
19. Frank Bruno
20. Terry Marsh
21. Colin Jones
22. Paul Hodkinson
23. Tony Sibson
24. Pat Cowdell
25. Richie Woodall
26. Charlie Magri
27. Paul Ingle
28. Robin Reid
29. Howard Eastman
30. Shea Neary

[Al Savani]

Jesus,Johnny Nelson?

[Captain Hook]

1. Jimmy Wilde
2. Robert Fitzsimmons*
3. Ted "kid" Lewis
4. Lennox Lewis
5. Freddie Welsh
6. Joe Calzaghe
7. Jackie "Kid" Berg
8. Lloyd Honeyghan
9. Jimmy McLarnin*
10. Naseem Hamed

11. Randy Turpin
12. Ken Buchanan
13. Benny Lynch
14. Ricky Hatton
15. Barry McGuigan*

Not sure who Boxrec says is British or not, so I included an extra five to make sure at least ten of them are British according to Boxrec.

Horse, where is Scott Harrison you fornicating traitor

[Captain Hook]

Mine would be:


1. Lennox Lewis
2. Jimmy Wilde
3. Howard Winstone
4. Ken Buchanan
5. Joe Calzaghe
6. Ted Lewis
7. Lloyd Honeyghan
8. Naz
9. Randy Turpin
10. Ricky Hatton

[Old bones Ian]

Here's my list of top 30, this only includes Retired boxers, so Calzaghe and Haye don't make it in at the mo

1. Lennox Lewis
2. Naseem Hamed
3. John Conteh
4. Lloyd Honeyghan
5. Chris Eubank
6. Johnny Nelson
7. Nigel Benn
8. Maurice Hope
9. Barry McGuigan
10. Jim Watt
11. Alan Minter
12. Herol Graham
13. Dave McAuley
14. Dennis Andres
15. Carl Thompson
16. Steve Robinson
17. Kirkland Laing
18. Duke Mckenzie
19. Frank Bruno
20. Terry Marsh
21. Colin Jones
22. Paul Hodkinson
23. Tony Sibson
24. Pat Cowdell
25. Richie Woodall
26. Charlie Magri
27. Paul Ingle
28. Robin Reid
29. Howard Eastman
30. Shea Neary

sorry i forgot to say its since 1970, that would help

[chesh]

Here's my list of top 30, this only includes Retired boxers, so Calzaghe and Haye don't make it in at the mo

1. Lennox Lewis
2. Naseem Hamed
3. John Conteh
4. Lloyd Honeyghan
5. Chris Eubank
6. Johnny Nelson
7. Nigel Benn
8. Maurice Hope
9. Barry McGuigan
10. Jim Watt
11. Alan Minter
12. Herol Graham
13. Dave McAuley
14. Dennis Andres
15. Carl Thompson
16. Steve Robinson
17. Kirkland Laing
18. Duke Mckenzie
19. Frank Bruno
20. Terry Marsh
21. Colin Jones
22. Paul Hodkinson
23. Tony Sibson
24. Pat Cowdell
25. Richie Woodall
26. Charlie Magri
27. Paul Ingle
28. Robin Reid
29. Howard Eastman
30. Shea Neary

Hamed's not retired! Good list, Ian.