Miraculous rating for Koji Sato

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Miraculous rating for Koji Sato

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Japanese MW fighter Koji Sato used to be rated No. 14 in the SMW. After his title fight against Germany-based WBA-champion Felix Sturm (04-25-2009) was announced, Sato was suddenly switched to the MW-division, ranked No.24. A couple of days later he moved up to No.14 and is currently No. 12. Without fighting in the meantime, of course.
Maybe he'll still make it to the Top Ten before the fight? :lol:

Sorry, guys, I followed the link to the wikipedia page before and carefully studied the details of boxrec's rating system but I have to confess: I don't understand how Sato's changing and moving up the divisions without doing shit.

Who can explain?

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Re: Miraculous rating for Koji Sato

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The boxer was moved by an editor from middleweight to super middleweight on 2009-02-28, maybe due to his last weight in his bout on 2001-01-03.

He was moved back to middleweight by an other editor on 2009-03-02, due to his announced bout at middleweight.

After a move a boxer just keeps his rating points from the old division, until all boxers are rated again the next day.

So Sato first was #24 at middleweight, and #12 the next day, which is his correct rating at this division.
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Re: Miraculous rating for Koji Sato

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In other words Southpaw, a boxer's rating points are adjusted based on the division they are currently assigned. This adjustment depends on their old division, the new division, and the perceived "strength" of the divisions. However, this only happens once a day, early in the morning.

When Sato was moved from Super Middle, to Middle, he was initially ranked based on his Super Middleweight points, which was incorrect. However, the following day, his points were adjusted for Middleweight, hence his rise to #12 from #24.
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Re: Miraculous rating for Koji Sato

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In the meantime, computerrank and JCS, Koji Sato has been moved up to Super Middle again (by another editor?). All of Sato's 14 pro fights were at MW except for the last one which was just above MW level. Sato's upcoming title fight against Germany-based Felix Sturm will be at MW again, of course.
So I have to keep asking: Why was he moved up from Middle to Super Middle in the first place by one editor when he's actually never fought at SMW?
It makes sense to move him back down to Middle and that's what happened.
But now he's been moved up to Super Middle again and he's definitely not fighting at Super Middle. Can you sort that out for me, please?

What's even worse: I told you Sato was ranked #24 at Super Middle. You confirmed that and told me that based on his points he eventually was moved up to #12 at Middle.
That's fine with me but: Now that Sato's been moved back to Super Middle he's not ranked #24, anymore. He happens to be #14 there within a couple of days and without fighting and without any major changes in the division due to other fights. Can you still sort that out?

One last thing:
I followed part of two Germans' discussion who sport Arthur Abraham and Felix Sturm, respectively. The Abraham fan maintained that some weeks ago boxrec ratings had Sato well b e h i n d Abraham's next opponent Lajuan Simon (currently #48) at Middle. Ever since Sturm's fight in April against Koji Sato has been announced, Sato moved up the division without any obvious reason. The Abraham fan's explanation was the "Universum" logo shown on this page but that shouldn't be it, hopefully?
Perhaps you can tell me how to keep track of the boxrec records and follow all the boxer's developments? :witzend:

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Re: Miraculous rating for Koji Sato

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Southpaw64,

The division assignments of all Japanese boxers are exclusively done by one Japanese editor.

He assigns the division strictly regarding the official weight in the last bout and the official division weight limits.

No other deliberations.
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Re: Miraculous rating for Koji Sato

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Well, computerrank, your statements are quite contradictory.
In your first reply from March, 02, 09 you stated the following:

"The boxer was moved by an editor from middleweight to super middleweight on 2009-02-28, maybe due to his last weight in his bout on 2001-01-03.
He was moved back to middleweight by an other editor on 2009-03-02, due to his announced bout at middleweight."

As you can see from the quotation above, your first explanation was, that 2 different boxrec editors had moved Koji Sato from the MW-division to the SMW division and back.
Now you're saying that only one editor (responsible for Japanese fighters) made all the changes.
Apart from that, you're not explaining the question why Sato is ranked no. 24 at SMW and a couple of days later he's back from MW and ranked no. 12 without fighting in the meantime or any other major changes in the division.
Sorry man, but your reply does not answer any of my questions.

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Re: Miraculous rating for Koji Sato

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Sato is at super middleweight due to his last weight of 161.5 pound.

Sometimes not all editors have the same perspectives ...
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