Khan v Kotelnik - WBA l-welter agreed for June 27

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Re: Khan v Kotelnik - WBA l-welter agreed for June 27

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stujones wrote:Can I ask, if Khan's win will his critics finally say "okay he's not bad" or will this forum just be full of criticisms of Kotelnik.

I am sure some would find fault with Marquez... the 37 year old bulked up Featherweight.
Just like all of our top boxers, Khan will have many detractors no matter what. The number is obviously increased, though, due to the allegedly association and Khan's shaky chin.

If he beats Kotelnik I'll be impressed. It will mean that he is getting better and has reached a very decent level.
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Re: Khan v Kotelnik - WBA l-welter agreed for June 27

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Asterix wrote:
stujones wrote:Can I ask, if Khan's win will his critics finally say "okay he's not bad" or will this forum just be full of criticisms of Kotelnik.

I am sure some would find fault with Marquez... the 37 year old bulked up Featherweight.
Just like all of our top boxers, Khan will have many detractors no matter what. The number is obviously increased, though, due to the allegedly allegedly association and Khan's shaky chin.

If he beats Kotelnik I'll be impressed. It will mean that he is getting better and has reached a very decent level.
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Re: Khan v Kotelnik - WBA l-welter agreed for June 27

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Good stuff Asterix and CP - It just seems that people are rubbishing Kotelnik, rubbishing the belt cause of a policy that doesn't apply in this case... to me it just seems to be getting their "excuses" in early.... as it was with the Barrera fight.

Kotelnik wasn't rubbished when he fought Mbaye here or Gavin Rees.
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Re: Khan v Kotelnik - WBA l-welter agreed for June 27

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Asterix wrote: Just like all of our top boxers, Khan will have many detractors no matter what. The number is obviously increased, though, due to the allegedly allegedly association and Khan's shaky chin.

If he beats Kotelnik I'll be impressed. It will mean that he is getting better and has reached a very decent level.
X3.

With the proviso that after he beats Kotelnik I get to say "Nyah-haaah, told you so!" to certain sections of the Boxrec population.

If he fought & beat Marquez (& I'd actually hate that, JMM is one of my favourite fighters) I'd probably grudgingly give him a medal or something. But I'd be pissed off.

Anyway, you can tell which sections of the forum dislike him for... personal reasons. It drips off of every word they post about the lad. You'd think the poor little schmuck was Chris Eubank the way some rant about him on here.

BTW Stu: a certain segment of the Boxrec population were saying "MAB is too old & too slow to trouble such a great big lightweight & here's video evidence to prove it" & still certain posters chorused "Oh no he isn't." Which just goes to show... Something.
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Re: Khan v Kotelnik - WBA l-welter agreed for June 27

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[quote="Datsue"]

Anyway, you can tell which sections of the forum dislike him for... personal reasons. It drips off of every word they post about the lad. You'd think the poor little schmuck was Chris Eubank the way some rant about him on here.

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mate it's nothing on here. on another forum i go on, if you think it's 'dripping' here, it's cascading out of every frickin pore on other places. in general boxrec seems pretty considered and balanced on the Khan issue which lets be fair tends to polarise people.
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Re: Khan v Kotelnik - WBA l-welter agreed for June 27

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Datsue wrote:
BTW Stu: a certain segment of the Boxrec population were saying "MAB is too old & too slow to trouble such a great big lightweight & here's video evidence to prove it" & still certain posters chorused "Oh no he isn't." Which just goes to show... Something.
I was one of those, not because I am some Khan fantatic, but because I don't think you can judge of glorified exhibitions. Barrera looked in much better shape ahead of the Khan fight. Ali looked rubbish in sparring prior to the rumble in the jungle, Leonard did prior to the Halger fight (and in his fight in 1985). Tyson looked much better in his exhibition against Sanders than he did in his fight against McBride - its simply impossible to say when Barrera was fighting guys he could have KO'd at any second.

Its was impossible to judge Barrera in those cameos... and you know... I STILL don't know if he was too old or too slow for Khan.

However, whilst I didn't agree with the criticism of the match up - I tipped Barrera - I could see the "possibilities" of it being careful, selective, match making... but now he is fighting a guy a weight above, at his peak, whilst he is not a Hatton or Pacquiao - he is a legitimate, beyond any doubt, top 5 or top 6 fighter.... its not an inflated ranking cause he is a name (as some said Barrera was/is).... yet Kotelnik is still getting rubbished, its a good fight.
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Re: Khan v Kotelnik - WBA l-welter agreed for June 27

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knockout wrote:Anyone think the extra 5lbs might help Khan's chin and stamina???
Its a possibility... he is never gonna be Marvin Hagler of course, but he must have been pretty tight at lightweight?????
That's been thrown around before, but I don't think khan has bad stamina - I'd go as far to say he has a great engine, it is one of his positives.

The chin question will be answered, but I can't see the extra weight making a huge improvement here - Even then who's to say any improvement wont be negated by being hit harder.
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