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Frankie Manning dies at 94; helped popularize the Lindy Hop

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Frankie Manning was a star attraction of Harlem’s Savoy ballroom and brought to swing dance a flair for the theatrical that helped catapult the Lindy Hop from ballrooms to stage and screen.

By Adam Bernstein
April 28, 2009

Frankie "Musclehead" Manning, a Harlem dancer and Tony Award-winning choreographer widely celebrated as one of the pioneers of the Lindy Hop, a breathlessly acrobatic swing dance style of the 1930s and '40s, died April 27 at New York City's Lenox Hill Hospital of pneumonia. He was 94.

The effortlessly nimble Manning was a star attraction of Harlem's Savoy ballroom and brought to swing dance a flair for the theatrical that helped catapult the Lindy Hop from ballrooms to stage and screen, said Cynthia Millman, who co-wrote Manning's self-titled 2007 memoir.

His nickname developed from the chants of dancers, "Go, Musclehead, go!" as they watched Manning's strong and closely cropped head glisten with sweat as he kicked and spun himself, and his partners, into human propellers.

Appropriately, the dance reportedly owed its name to transatlantic aviator Charles Lindbergh, when one Savoy dancer told a reporter, "We flyin' like Lindy!"

Manning's chief innovation was popularizing the thrilling "air step" move in which a female partner is tossed in the air and lands in time with the music. After introducing this choreographic accent, sometimes called an "aerial," he and fellow Lindy hoppers developed dozens of others in which partners fling each other around, over and between various limbs.

Manning and several notable big bands helped make the Savoy an epicenter of swing. It was an elegant, racially integrated dance hall boasting two large stages where the big bands of Count Basie, Chick Webb and Cab Calloway could duel rhythmically.

Some of the Savoy's finest dancers, including Manning, were recruited to join Whitey's Lindy Hoppers, a dance performance team that appeared in Hollywood movies such as "Hellzapoppin' " (1941).

As part of the team, he was the opening act for singers including Billie Holiday and performed before King George VI of England in 1937.

When he returned from Army service during World War II, he started his own troupe but the music scene had changed radically. First came the rise of bebop jazz, which was largely undanceable, and then the advent of rock 'n' roll.

With a family to support, Manning spent 30 years as a postal clerk, until a popular swing reawakening in the 1980s.

At the time, Manning was approached by a pair of young swing enthusiasts who found his name in the phone book. He agreed to teach them a few steps, leading to a career resurgence that made him a headliner at Lindy Hop workshops around the world.

In 1989, he teamed with other dance legends Fayard Nicholas, Cholly Atkins and Henry LeTang to choreograph the musical revue "Black and Blue," which ran two years on Broadway. All the choreographers shared the Tony that year. Manning went on to compose dance steps for the Alvin Ailey American Dance Theater, among other dance companies. He also taught the Lindy Hop to actor Denzel Washington for the Spike Lee film "Malcolm X."

Frank Benjamin Manning was born May 26, 1914, in Jacksonville, Fla., and raised by his laundress mother in Harlem. He said he learned his dancing "instincts" by watching his mother and her friends dance at rent parties, social gatherings to help friends or neighbors raise money to pay the landlord.

He worked up his courage to enter the Savoy in 1933 and was noticed by Herbert White, a boxer-turned-bouncer who hand-picked members of an elite club of Savoy dancers. White formed a series of dance performance teams, and Manning became one of its brightest members in his dual roles as a featured dancer and chief choreographer from the mid-1930s to early 1940s.

Manning created the over-the-back air step in 1935 at a weekly dance competition at the Savoy, and it became a sensation.

After returning from the war in the Pacific, Manning formed a troupe, the Congaroo Dancers, that appeared on screen and shared stage bills with Nat "King" Cole, among others. In 1955, he left entertainment to focus on his family and civil service career.

His marriage to the former Gloria Holloway ended in divorce.

Survivors include his companion, Judy Pritchett of Queens, N.Y., and Fort Bragg, Calif.; two children from his marriage, Marion Price of Atlanta and Frank Manning Jr. of Leonia, N.J.; a son from a previous relationship, Charles "Chazz" Young, a professional tap dancer, of Las Vegas; a half brother; seven grandchildren; and nine great-grandchildren.

Bernstein is a writer for the Washington Post.

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Ricky Hatton needs to use science, not savagery, against Manny Pacquiao

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David Diaz stood toe to toe with Manny Paquiao in a WBC lightweight title fight in June of 2008 and lost when he was knocked out in the ninth round.
That's the advice he gets from fellow fighter David Diaz, who knows firsthand that trading blows with Pacquiao doesn't work.

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April 28, 2009

David Diaz has a strange recommendation for Ricky Hatton, a boxing brawler: Don't brawl against Manny Pacquiao.

When last we visited Diaz 10 months ago, he was face down on the canvas in the middle of the ring at Mandalay Bay Events Center in Las Vegas. He had been put there in the ninth round by a right hand from Pacquiao that stunned him, and a left that finished him.

Before the knockout, Diaz had been battered and bloodied.

Now Diaz, a well-spoken 32-year-old from the North Side of Chicago, who has a nice 34-2-1 record and who got his shot at the big time against Pacquiao on June 28, fears the same for Hatton in his Saturday night mega-fight against Pacquiao.

"Tell him not to do what most of us do," Diaz says. "Tell him to try and make it into a boxing match."

Diaz says he watched on TV when Hatton won by an 11th-round technical knockout over Paulie Malignaggi in November.

"He boxed him more, especially the last four rounds," Diaz says. "He has had more time now with Senior [Trainer Floyd Mayweather Sr.], and I think he'll tell him to box more. That's what I would tell him. I would tell him the way I fought [Pacquiao] -- let's get right down to the nitty-gritty -- that was my mistake."

Pacquiao and Hatton will present an interesting study in styles. Hatton has always seemed to live the image of his beloved Manchester, England, pubs.

If there's a fight at the bar, you wade right into the middle of it.

Hatton has waded in 45 times in his career, and that style has failed him only once, when Floyd Mayweather Jr. knocked him against the corner ring buckle and out Dec. 8, 2007.

Pacquiao, at 30 only two months younger than Hatton, fought as low as 106 pounds early in his career and was seldom thought of as a big-punching, dangerous brawler.

That is, until he fought Diaz at 135 pounds.

Even in Pacquiao's wars with Erik Morales, one of which he lost, and with Juan Manuel Marquez, one of which he tied, there was more tactical damage inflicted than big bombs connecting.

But Pacquiao's lightweight title fight with Diaz, and then Pacquiao's domination and damage-infliction in a welterweight bout with the once-untouchable and now-retired Oscar De La Hoya on Dec. 6, have people reassessing their view of the Philippine star.

"The first couple of rounds," Diaz says, "I thought I was OK. I figured he'd start to wilt and we'd wear him down. But I realized pretty quickly that I was always trying to catch up. I'd go to the corner, sit down and think, 'OK, he got that round, but I'll get the next one.' And then I'd be on my stool in three minutes, thinking the same thing.

"By about the fourth round, I was asking my corner what to do about his speed. I told them I couldn't get my timing against it. He just was never there to hit. I thought I could take his punches, and the plan was to wade in and bring it to him. But it just didn't work that way."

The next thing Diaz knew, he was down.

"Never saw the punch," he says, "but I guess those are the ones that really get you."

He remembers referee Vic Drakulich kneeling over him and telling him to stay down. Diaz remembers the minute he was waved out, Pacquiao was hovering over him, trying to help him up and expressing concern for his health.

Diaz hasn't fought since and has gotten away from boxing somewhat, a situation that ended Monday when he went back to work in the gym to get ready for whatever promoter Bob Arum of Top Rank has next for him.

He didn't even watch a video of his Pacquiao fight until December, six months later.

"It was the night before Pacquiao and De La Hoya," he says, "and I finally put it in and watched. I couldn't watch it until then.

"Then I watched Pacquiao and Oscar and was picking Oscar to win that one.

"Then I saw it again. Pacquiao's speed. I'm not gonna lie. It's the best I've ever seen. If he gets past Hatton, and I believe he will, he could be one of the best ever."

Diaz has three boys, ages 4, 2 and 2 months. He said he came out of the Atlanta Olympics without a medal, but with a plan -- or, more accurately stated, a delusion of grandeur.

"I figured I'd fight till I'm 27 or 28, be a millionaire and retire," he says.

That plan derailed, he now wants to take another run at the 135-pound title he held before Pacquiao pummeled it away from him.

"I've got a good life," Diaz says. "And my friends make me feel good when they tell me I fought a good fight against Pacquiao. They even say I did better against him than Oscar did.

"That's something."

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Diaz On Slugging With Pac . . .

I agree with what David Diaz has to say about slugging with Manny Pac. As strong as Ricky Hatton is, I believe his strength will work in Pac's favor, that he will bull forward into punches that are going to rip his skin to shreds, put him on the canvas and hasten his demise.

As I've said before, I like Ricky Hatton, he comes to fight. Pac is used to faster opposition and, frankly, more clever than Hatton. As wrong as many see a Floyd Mayweather Sr. to work a fighter with Hatton's style, in this case, he might provide something more useful to Ricky than others.

When it comes to fight predictions, I'm as wrong as often as I'm right, however, in this case I believe that the bout will be over within 8 rounds, the Pac-Man a clear "cut" winner. I believe that Ricky will hit the canvas, and at the end look something like Sir Henry Cooper did after the Ali bouts. Of course, I've been wrong before, but I believe I'm right in predicting this to be a good fight between two guys who aren't afraid to put it all on the line.

What do you guys think about this one?


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scartissue wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Harold Green I would put some where on your list, Dan.

Harold Green

Country USA
Global Id 10248
Birthplace Brooklyn, NY
Division Middleweight
Born 1924-10-24
Died 2001-09-00
Stance Orthodox
Height 175cm


Career Record © http://www.boxrec.com

Date Opponent Location Result
1953-02-02 Joey Giardello Brooklyn, USA L UD 10
1952-12-08 Pierre Langlois Brooklyn, USA L SD 10
1951-06-20 Jose Alberto Diaz Miami Beach, USA W PTS 10
1951-05-29 Jose Alberto Diaz Miami Beach, USA W MD 10
1951-02-02 Ernie Durando New York, USA W UD 10
1950-12-27 Chico Pacheco Miami, USA W KO 10
1950-12-04 Ernie Durando Cleveland, USA W PTS 10
1950-10-26 Joey Giardello Brooklyn, USA W RTD 6
1950-08-25 Danny Ruggerio Wilmington, USA W PTS 10
1950-08-04 Bobby James Long Beach, USA W PTS 8
1950-07-28 Tony Masciarelli Long Beach, USA W UD 8
1950-01-06 Paddy Young New York, USA L KO 1
1949-12-16 Rocky Castellani Scranton, USA L PTS 10
1949-10-27 Danny Ruggerio Brooklyn, USA W TKO 6
1949-08-08 Tony Baldoni Wilkes-Barre, USA W TKO 5
1949-04-16 Tony Masciarelli Brooklyn, USA D PTS 8
1949-03-22 Oswaldo Silva Brooklyn, USA W SD 8
1948-08-31 Richie Dallas Brooklyn, USA W PTS 8
1948-05-28 Rocky Castellani New York, USA L SD 10
1948-03-26 Smuggy Hursey New York, USA W PTS 8
1948-03-15 Art Tatta Brooklyn, USA W KO 4
1948-03-01 Chet Vinci Brooklyn, USA W TKO 6
1948-02-17 Joey Falco Brooklyn, USA W KO 2
1947-11-18 Nick Kashuba Brooklyn, USA W PTS 8
1947-11-11 Vince LaSalva Brooklyn, USA W TKO 1
1947-10-28 Victor Amato Brooklyn, USA W TKO 4
1947-06-19 Herbie Kronowitz Brooklyn, USA L UD 10
1947-03-28 Marcel Cerdan New York, USA L TKO 2
1947-01-31 Pete Mead New York, USA W UD 10
1946-11-26 Joe Bennett Brooklyn, USA W UD 8
1946-10-29 Jerry Fiorello Brooklyn, USA W PTS 8
1946-09-09 Sammy Secreet Cleveland, USA W SD 12
1946-05-13 Sammy Secreet Cleveland, USA W UD 10
1946-04-08 Sammy Secreet Cleveland, USA L SD 10
1945-09-28 Rocky Graziano New York, USA L KO 3
1945-06-22 Fritzie Zivic New York, USA W UD 10
1945-05-18 Frankie Terry New York, USA W UD 10
1945-04-07 Larney Moore Brooklyn, USA W KO 4
1945-02-09 Morris Reif New York, USA W UD 10
1944-12-22 Rocky Graziano New York, USA W MD 10
1944-11-25 Johnny Melcher Brooklyn, USA W KO 4
1944-11-03 Rocky Graziano New York, USA W UD 10
1944-10-28 Jerry Fiorello Brooklyn, USA W PTS 8
1944-10-09 Henry Jordan Newark, USA W PTS 8
1944-09-25 Ernest (Cat) Robinson Brooklyn, USA W PTS 8
1944-09-12 Oscar Suggs Brooklyn, USA W PTS 8
1944-08-22 Al Evans Brooklyn, USA W TKO 4
1944-08-01 Jerry Fiorello Brooklyn, USA W PTS 8
1944-07-18 Leo Dulmaine Brooklyn, USA W PTS 10
1944-07-10 Buster Tyler Newark, USA W KO 6
1944-06-27 Phil Enzenga Brooklyn, USA W TKO 1
1944-06-13 George 'Red' Doty Woodhaven, Queens, USA W KO 1
1944-05-29 Tony Riccio Newark, USA D PTS 8
1944-04-17 Joe Matone Newark, USA W PTS 8
1944-03-20 Danny Martin Newark, USA W PTS 8
1944-02-29 Gaspare Abruzzo Brooklyn, USA W KO 3
1944-02-14 Pete Bayrun Newark, USA W KO 1
1943-01-26 Bobby Ruffin Brooklyn, USA L PTS 8
1942-12-29 Frankie Cardinal Brooklyn, USA W PTS 8
1942-12-11 Johnny Greco New York, USA L TKO 1
1942-11-24 George Harper Brooklyn, USA W PTS 8
1942-11-20 Pete Kennedy New York, USA D PTS 6
1942-11-10 Frankie Cardinal White Plains, USA W PTS 8
1942-10-19 Frankie Cardinal New York, USA W TKO 4
1942-10-13 Jeff Holloway Brooklyn, USA W PTS 6
1942-10-03 Alex Doyle Brooklyn, USA W PTS 6
1942-09-29 Tommy Ciarlo White Plains, USA W PTS 6
1942-09-15 Tommy Ciarlo White Plains, USA L PTS 6
1942-09-08 Pete Manchio White Plains, USA W UD 6
1942-08-18 Joe Governale Brooklyn, USA W TKO 6
1942-08-01 Alex Doyle Long Island City, Queens, W PTS 6
1942-07-29 Julian Malavez Brooklyn, USA W PTS 6
1942-07-18 Alex Doyle Long Island City, Queens, W PTS 6
1942-07-15 Julian Malavez West Haven, USA W PTS 6
1942-06-29 Jeff Holloway New Haven, USA W TKO 3
1942-06-17 Bit Beebe New Haven, USA W TKO 4
1942-06-06 Al DeFelice Long Island City, Queens, W PTS 6
1942-05-25 Tommy Rotolo New York, USA L PTS 6
1942-05-18 Tommy Rotolo New York, USA L PTS 4
1942-05-12 Julian Malavez Brooklyn, USA W PTS 4
1942-04-28 Rayford Murray Brooklyn, USA W KO 3
1942-04-20 Eddie Gallucci New York, USA W TKO 4
1942-04-14 Julie Bort Brooklyn, USA W PTS 4
1942-03-31 Jeff Holloway Brooklyn, USA W PTS 4
1942-03-17 Angelo Brocato Brooklyn, USA W PTS 4
1942-03-03 Terry Amico Brooklyn, USA W PTS 4
1942-02-17 Frankie Van Brooklyn, USA W PTS 4
1942-02-03 Willis Johnson Brooklyn, USA W PTS 4

Record to Date
Won 71 (KOs 23) Lost 14 Drawn 3 Total 88
Frank, an outstanding, overlooked contender. Nice wins over Giardello, Graziano, Zivic, Durando and Mead. Incidentally, do you guys remember before he died that he did an interview with Ring mag claiming he took a dive in the 3rd Graziano fight? It was strange, the reports state that Rocky laid him out, but when the ref counted him out and he regained his footing, he attacked Graziano. I forget the explanation. I'll have to look it up.

Scartissue
Okay, I looked it up, here is the result of the 3rd Graziano-Green fight as written by the AP.

Scartissue

"Behind on points, Rocky nailed Green flush on the chin with his murderous right in 1:49 of the fatal 3rd. Harold fell face forward to the canvas, then rolled over flat on his back. As referee Ruby Goldstein completed the count of ten, Green jumped to his feet, yelling that Rocky had hit him illegally on the break, and tore after Rocky in a neutral corner. Goldstein threw his arms around Green and led him to his corner. There, Green suddenly eluded Goldstein and tore across the ring to Rocky's corner. Irving Cohen and Whitey Bimstein, Rocky's co-manager and trainer, saw him coming and threw themselves before Rocky. By this time Sol Gold, Freddie Brown and Charles Duke, Green's corner, had followed Green across the ring and joined in the shoving and pushing. Graziano threw his robe away and the two struggled to reach each other. But it was not until the police entered the ring that order was restored." -Associated Press

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[quote="kikibalt"]Frankie Manning dies at 94; helped popularize the Lindy Hop

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Frankie Manning was a star attraction of Harlem’s Savoy ballroom and brought to swing dance a flair for the theatrical that helped catapult the Lindy Hop from ballrooms to stage and screen.

By Adam Bernstein
April 28, 2009

Frankie "Musclehead" Manning, a Harlem dancer and Tony Award-winning choreographer widely celebrated as one of the pioneers of the Lindy Hop, a breathlessly acrobatic swing dance style of the 1930s and '40s, died April 27 at New York City's Lenox Hill Hospital of pneumonia. He was 94.

The effortlessly nimble Manning was a star attraction of Harlem's Savoy ballroom and brought to swing dance a flair for the theatrical that helped catapult the Lindy Hop from ballrooms to stage and screen, said Cynthia Millman, who co-wrote Manning's self-titled 2007 memoir.

His nickname developed from the chants of dancers, "Go, Musclehead, go!" as they watched Manning's strong and closely cropped head glisten with sweat as he kicked and spun himself, and his partners, into human propellers.

Appropriately, the dance reportedly owed its name to transatlantic aviator Charles Lindbergh, when one Savoy dancer told a reporter, "We flyin' like Lindy!"

Manning's chief innovation was popularizing the thrilling "air step" move in which a female partner is tossed in the air and lands in time with the music. After introducing this choreographic accent, sometimes called an "aerial," he and fellow Lindy hoppers developed dozens of others in which partners fling each other around, over and between various limbs.

Manning and several notable big bands helped make the Savoy an epicenter of swing. It was an elegant, racially integrated dance hall boasting two large stages where the big bands of Count Basie, Chick Webb and Cab Calloway could duel rhythmically.

Some of the Savoy's finest dancers, including Manning, were recruited to join Whitey's Lindy Hoppers, a dance performance team that appeared in Hollywood movies such as "Hellzapoppin' " (1941).

As part of the team, he was the opening act for singers including Billie Holiday and performed before King George VI of England in 1937.

When he returned from Army service during World War II, he started his own troupe but the music scene had changed radically. First came the rise of bebop jazz, which was largely undanceable, and then the advent of rock 'n' roll.

With a family to support, Manning spent 30 years as a postal clerk, until a popular swing reawakening in the 1980s.

At the time, Manning was approached by a pair of young swing enthusiasts who found his name in the phone book. He agreed to teach them a few steps, leading to a career resurgence that made him a headliner at Lindy Hop workshops around the world.

In 1989, he teamed with other dance legends Fayard Nicholas, Cholly Atkins and Henry LeTang to choreograph the musical revue "Black and Blue," which ran two years on Broadway. All the choreographers shared the Tony that year. Manning went on to compose dance steps for the Alvin Ailey American Dance Theater, among other dance companies. He also taught the Lindy Hop to actor Denzel Washington for the Spike Lee film "Malcolm X."

Frank Benjamin Manning was born May 26, 1914, in Jacksonville, Fla., and raised by his laundress mother in Harlem. He said he learned his dancing "instincts" by watching his mother and her friends dance at rent parties, social gatherings to help friends or neighbors raise money to pay the landlord.

He worked up his courage to enter the Savoy in 1933 and was noticed by Herbert White, a boxer-turned-bouncer who hand-picked members of an elite club of Savoy dancers. White formed a series of dance performance teams, and Manning became one of its brightest members in his dual roles as a featured dancer and chief choreographer from the mid-1930s to early 1940s.

Manning created the over-the-back air step in 1935 at a weekly dance competition at the Savoy, and it became a sensation.

After returning from the war in the Pacific, Manning formed a troupe, the Congaroo Dancers, that appeared on screen and shared stage bills with Nat "King" Cole, among others. In 1955, he left entertainment to focus on his family and civil service career.

His marriage to the former Gloria Holloway ended in divorce.

Survivors include his companion, Judy Pritchett of Queens, N.Y., and Fort Bragg, Calif.; two children from his marriage, Marion Price of Atlanta and Frank Manning Jr. of Leonia, N.J.; a son from a previous relationship, Charles "Chazz" Young, a professional tap dancer, of Las Vegas; a half brother; seven grandchildren; and nine great-grandchildren.

Bernstein is a writer for the Washington Post.

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SWING TO BOP

I remember watching an interview with Frankie Manning about how the music had changed after WW II.The Lindy Hop had given away to the Boppers. The thing was you couldn't dance to Salt Peanuts. Guys like Frankie couldn't get it at first. Many of the old timers couldn't understand the transition.

Even Louie Armstrong was puzzled. The music world took sides. But Bop was something the older cats had to open their minds too. Little by little the jazz musicians would go to Harlem and 52nd Street after hours and listen to the new sounds. Monk,Gillespie,and Parker weren't trying to convince anyone. They had nothing against swing. They just had developed a new approach that lived through their instruments.

Before long the old guard like Prez,Coleman,Goodman,and Satchmo were with the boppers. Frankie Manning got it too finally. He could dig it now. But Frankie was a dancer. A Lindy Hopper. How the Boppers loved to watch that man dance!
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The Kids of Today and Boxing . . .

Everything changes. Today, many children are not taught that there are consequences to actions. Legalities prevent parents from disciplining their children, so it's not unusual for kids to grow up believeing that they can do as they wish until the day comes that they are literally hit in the face with brutal reality.

I'm speaking primarily of kids that grow up in America, where privleges are many, where even in economic challenging times such as these, they have it easy compared to the challenges of children in third world countries, where things are always tough and dangerous.

I was talking with my pal Steve Harpst last night. Steve is nearly 50, and grew up in Arizona where he boxed amateur in Tucson around the time the Baltazar boys were developing into solid professionals. Steve got a taste of boxing when there were still a few "old school" trainers around. Of course, that's all I knew in L.A. Nobody had to "encourage" me to hit the road, because I learned in my first bout what it felt like to run out of gas before the final bell. This introduced me first hand to "consequences".

It's kinda like that "picture that's worth a thousand words." You needn't be a Rhodes Scholar to understand a message punctuated by pain and humiliation. That's how I felt when I'd lose, humiliated, which was far more painful than the black eye I might have taken from the contest.

Today as I help Steve work with his young prospects, I'm adapting to working with as many as forty kids at a time. Certainly this is nothing unique. I'm more interested in working with the kid who has a desire, as opposed to the "natural talent" type that could care less about putting in the work necessary.

Today we have a few girls in the program. Little girls, age ten or so, and a few a little older. When I see a kid, girl or boy, really trying to get their feet under them, really trying, I step in and help. Naturally, you put most time in with those who are training for matches, but I really don't care what their future plans are. I hope most of these kids don't attempt to take their lessons into a pro ring, and most won't, or shouldn't.

A young Armenian girl quietly listens and tries hard. She is respectful and looks you in the eyes when you talk. She listens and she learns, she'll never have a fight, and it soesn't matter. Maybe one day she will be a fan and buy a ticket to a match. This is good for boxing.

I can be a disciplinarian when it comes to working with boxers, I don't sugar coat the consequences. I came up in places like the Johnny Flores Gym, Main Street Gym, Teamsters Gym, Shagrues, Stanton A.C., Sacred Heart Boys Club, etc. etc. These places no longer exist, nor do the men who made them thrive with boxing talent. It's a new world, and not a particularly a good one for young boxers in Los Angeles.

My ears are wide open to questions, however, I will not tolerate somebody "questioning" what I know to be true. A question on "how to" is invited, and I'll always provide the reason "why". But I will not debate the answer with a kid, they can listen and learn, or find out the hard way. I have no patience with today's philosophies on "open dialouge". We haven't the time.

How people live their lives outside the gym I've no control over. However, when I'm teaching it's my way, and my way only. I'm not there to be taught a lesson by a kid. Steve likes this, and it seems the kids do to. I love reading Roger's stories of the kids in his class room. He understands how society has changed, and his hands are often bound when it comes to getting his point across. In the boxing gym, I have no such constraints. If a kid is willing, so am I. That's all I can do.

I don't just teach about jabs & hooks, I talk of boxing history. I tell a brief story as the kids are wrapping their hands. They love it. And so do I. I try to let them know what it was like "back in the day."

Things have changed. We must adapt or die. But when it comes to boxing, if you don't learn your lessons properly and take it to a professional level, you can die. Sounds a bit dramatic, but I've seen it happen. We all have who post here.


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Rick Farris wrote:The Kids of Today and Boxing . . .

Everything changes. Today, many children are not taught that there are consequences to actions. Legalities prevent parents from disciplining their children, so it's not unusual for kids to grow up believeing that they can do as they wish until the day comes that they are literally hit in the face with brutal reality.

I'm speaking primarily of kids that grow up in America, where privleges are many, where even in economic challenging times such as these, they have it easy compared to the challenges of children in third world countries, where things are always tough and dangerous.

I was talking with my pal Steve Harpst last night. Steve is nearly 50, and grew up in Arizona where he boxed amateur in Tucson around the time the Baltazar boys were developing into solid professionals. Steve got a taste of boxing when there were still a few "old school" trainers around. Of course, that's all I knew in L.A. Nobody had to "encourage" me to hit the road, because I learned in my first bout what it felt like to run out of gas before the final bell. This introduced me first hand to "consequences".

It's kinda like that "picture that's worth a thousand words." You needn't be a Rhodes Scholar to understand a message punctuated by pain and humiliation. That's how I felt when I'd lose, humiliated, which was far more painful than the black eye I might have taken from the contest.

Today as I help Steve work with his young prospects, I'm adapting to working with as many as forty kids at a time. Certainly this is nothing unique. I'm more interested in working with the kid who has a desire, as opposed to the "natural talent" type that could care less about putting in the work necessary.

Today we have a few girls in the program. Little girls, age ten or so, and a few a little older. When I see a kid, girl or boy, really trying to get their feet under them, really trying, I step in and help. Naturally, you put most time in with those who are training for matches, but I really don't care what their future plans are. I hope most of these kids don't attempt to take their lessons into a pro ring, and most won't, or shouldn't.

A young Armenian girl quietly listens and tries hard. She is respectful and looks you in the eyes when you talk. She listens and she learns, she'll never have a fight, and it soesn't matter. Maybe one day she will be a fan and buy a ticket to a match. This is good for boxing.

I can be a disciplinarian when it comes to working with boxers, I don't sugar coat the consequences. I came up in places like the Johnny Flores Gym, Main Street Gym, Teamsters Gym, Shagrues, Stanton A.C., Sacred Heart Boys Club, etc. etc. These places no longer exist, nor do the men who made them thrive with boxing talent. It's a new world, and not a particularly a good one for young boxers in Los Angeles.

My ears are wide open to questions, however, I will not tolerate somebody "questioning" what I know to be true. A question on "how to" is invited, and I'll always provide the reason "why". But I will not debate the answer with a kid, they can listen and learn, or find out the hard way. I have no patience with today's philosophies on "open dialouge". We haven't the time.

How people live their lives outside the gym I've no control over. However, when I'm teaching it's my way, and my way only. I'm not there to be taught a lesson by a kid. Steve likes this, and it seems the kids do to. I love reading Roger's stories of the kids in his class room. He understands how society has changed, and his hands are often bound when it comes to getting his point across. In the boxing gym, I have no such constraints. If a kid is willing, so am I. That's all I can do.

I don't just teach about jabs & hooks, I talk of boxing history. I tell a brief story as the kids are wrapping their hands. They love it. And so do I. I try to let them know what it was like "back in the day."

Things have changed. We must adapt or die. But when it comes to boxing, if you don't learn your lessons properly and take it to a professional level, you can die. Sounds a bit dramatic, but I've seen it happen. We all have who post here.


-Rick Farris
Rick
Nice piece. Talk to John Scully about this. You said he was a part of Archie Moore's Any Boy Can program in Southeast San Diego. When I'd help out,I'd see the Mongoose trying instill character building as much as he'd taught boxing skills. He had signs up around the gym reminding everyone of the truths of life. NO GAIN WITHOUT PAIN. FAT HEADS FALL HARD. Some of it sounded corny,but it was true. It was Archie. It was also a small fine for using foul language. Archie told me he was only human. He tilted the pot a few times!
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During the late 1910s, there was a lightweight named Eddie Mahoney who was active in the Bay Area and there was at least one newspaper report saying that Jack Kearns bought his contract during the early 1920s. Is it possible that the same Eddie Mahoney who lived in Fresno? Based on various information that I gathered over, I lean heavily to not believing it. For one thing, it appears that Eddie Mahoney of Fresno was a little too young.

It is probable that Eddie Mahoney of Fresno, real name: Fred Biehl, Jr., was of German ancestry, but was born in the Volga River area of Russia about 1903 or 1904. He was a contemporary of Young Corbett III and started his boxing career about the same time. There were a number of people based in Fresno who believed that Mahoney of Fresno would have gone to the top if he had some luck. But it wasn't to be.

I have access to a Fresno Bee database which is on the genealogical website, Ancestry.com. Oldtimers remembered Mahoney of Fresno very well. If Mahoney of Fresno was managed by Jack Kearns, there wasn't any indication in the various items in the Fresno Bee. But it does appear that Fred Winsor, another well-known boxing man, did manage Mahoney of Fresno during the middle 1920s.

According to his obituary in the July 31, 1940 edition of the Fresno Bee, Eddie Mahoney died in Ely, Nevada on July 30, 1940 after being stricken with an internal hemorrhage for two or three days. Mahoney of Fresno had a younger brother who fought under the ring name of Billy Mahoney during the 1930s. Billy went on to be a boxing man and a boxing historian based in his hometown of Fresno. It appears that Billy was the main driving force in forming the Fresno Boxing Hall of Fame during the 1960s and an earlier version of the California Boxing Hall of Fame.

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Alphonse Halimi will be inducted into the WBHOF this year.

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dagosd2000 wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:The Kids of Today and Boxing . . .

Everything changes. Today, many children are not taught that there are consequences to actions. Legalities prevent parents from disciplining their children, so it's not unusual for kids to grow up believeing that they can do as they wish until the day comes that they are literally hit in the face with brutal reality.

I'm speaking primarily of kids that grow up in America, where privleges are many, where even in economic challenging times such as these, they have it easy compared to the challenges of children in third world countries, where things are always tough and dangerous.

I was talking with my pal Steve Harpst last night. Steve is nearly 50, and grew up in Arizona where he boxed amateur in Tucson around the time the Baltazar boys were developing into solid professionals. Steve got a taste of boxing when there were still a few "old school" trainers around. Of course, that's all I knew in L.A. Nobody had to "encourage" me to hit the road, because I learned in my first bout what it felt like to run out of gas before the final bell. This introduced me first hand to "consequences".

It's kinda like that "picture that's worth a thousand words." You needn't be a Rhodes Scholar to understand a message punctuated by pain and humiliation. That's how I felt when I'd lose, humiliated, which was far more painful than the black eye I might have taken from the contest.

Today as I help Steve work with his young prospects, I'm adapting to working with as many as forty kids at a time. Certainly this is nothing unique. I'm more interested in working with the kid who has a desire, as opposed to the "natural talent" type that could care less about putting in the work necessary.

Today we have a few girls in the program. Little girls, age ten or so, and a few a little older. When I see a kid, girl or boy, really trying to get their feet under them, really trying, I step in and help. Naturally, you put most time in with those who are training for matches, but I really don't care what their future plans are. I hope most of these kids don't attempt to take their lessons into a pro ring, and most won't, or shouldn't.

A young Armenian girl quietly listens and tries hard. She is respectful and looks you in the eyes when you talk. She listens and she learns, she'll never have a fight, and it soesn't matter. Maybe one day she will be a fan and buy a ticket to a match. This is good for boxing.

I can be a disciplinarian when it comes to working with boxers, I don't sugar coat the consequences. I came up in places like the Johnny Flores Gym, Main Street Gym, Teamsters Gym, Shagrues, Stanton A.C., Sacred Heart Boys Club, etc. etc. These places no longer exist, nor do the men who made them thrive with boxing talent. It's a new world, and not a particularly a good one for young boxers in Los Angeles.

My ears are wide open to questions, however, I will not tolerate somebody "questioning" what I know to be true. A question on "how to" is invited, and I'll always provide the reason "why". But I will not debate the answer with a kid, they can listen and learn, or find out the hard way. I have no patience with today's philosophies on "open dialouge". We haven't the time.

How people live their lives outside the gym I've no control over. However, when I'm teaching it's my way, and my way only. I'm not there to be taught a lesson by a kid. Steve likes this, and it seems the kids do to. I love reading Roger's stories of the kids in his class room. He understands how society has changed, and his hands are often bound when it comes to getting his point across. In the boxing gym, I have no such constraints. If a kid is willing, so am I. That's all I can do.

I don't just teach about jabs & hooks, I talk of boxing history. I tell a brief story as the kids are wrapping their hands. They love it. And so do I. I try to let them know what it was like "back in the day."

Things have changed. We must adapt or die. But when it comes to boxing, if you don't learn your lessons properly and take it to a professional level, you can die. Sounds a bit dramatic, but I've seen it happen. We all have who post here.


-Rick Farris
Rick
Nice piece. Talk to John Scully about this. You said he was a part of Archie Moore's Any Boy Can program in Southeast San Diego. When I'd help out,I'd see the Mongoose trying instill character building as much as he'd taught boxing skills. He had signs up around the gym reminding everyone of the truths of life. NO GAIN WITHOUT PAIN. FAT HEADS FALL HARD. Some of it sounded corny,but it was true. It was Archie. It was also a small fine for using foul language. Archie told me he was only human. He tilted the pot a few times!

Roger . . . I credit Steve Harpst association with the YMCA for doing something similar, On the walls of our boxing gym (which is funded by the Y and part of their Burbank facility) are single words . . . "Charactor", "Courage", "Responsibility", "Respect", etc. reminders of qualities that need more than just space on the wall, but actual discussion. Not something read from a book, but incorporated into the lessons taught. You don't tell, you show, you must be an example. So much flowery talk will not impress a kid, you just have to make these things a part of what we do.

To be honest, there have been times in my life when I have done things that have not reflected such qualities. I've made my mistakes, I've explored doing things another way, a way that in time always comes up short. Live, learn and start over. Today, all I can do is the best I can do. I find that when I give of myself, I receive so much more in return. It's a law of nature, the law of attraction. We can attract good, or we can attract bad. It all comes down to choice.

By the way Rog, Steve will fine the kids a nickle if they tell him they "can't" or "won't" try something without good reason. Bad language does not exist in the program

Like the kids in a gym, I'm an on going work in progress.


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Chuck1052 wrote:During the late 1910s, there was a lightweight named Eddie Mahoney who was active in the Bay Area and there was at least one newspaper report saying that Jack Kearns bought his contract during the early 1920s. Is it possible that the same Eddie Mahoney who lived in Fresno? Based on various information that I gathered over, I lean heavily to not believing it. For one thing, it appears that Eddie Mahoney of Fresno was a little too young.

It is probable that Eddie Mahoney of Fresno, real name: Fred Biehl, Jr., was of German ancestry, but was born in the Volga River area of Russia about 1903 or 1904. He was a contemporary of Young Corbett III and started his boxing career about the same time. There were a number of people based in Fresno who believed that Mahoney of Fresno would have gone to the top if he had some luck. But it wasn't to be.

I have access to a Fresno Bee database which is on the genealogical website, Ancestry.com. Oldtimers remembered Mahoney of Fresno very well. If Mahoney of Fresno was managed by Jack Kearns, there wasn't any indication in the various items in the Fresno Bee. But it does appear that Fred Winsor, another well-known boxing man, did manage Mahoney of Fresno during the middle 1920s.

According to his obituary in the July 31, 1940 edition of the Fresno Bee, Eddie Mahoney died in Ely, Nevada on July 30, 1940 after being stricken with an internal hemorrhage for two or three days. Mahoney of Fresno had a younger brother who fought under the ring name of Billy Mahoney during the 1930s. Billy went on to be a boxing man and a boxing historian based in his hometown of Fresno. It appears that Billy was the main driving force in forming the Fresno Boxing Hall of Fame during the 1960s and an earlier version of the California Boxing Hall of Fame.

- Chuck Johnston
Interesting, Chuck. Let us know if your research provides more answers.

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kikibalt wrote:Image
Frankie Duarte
"El Huero" . . .

This is one of my all-time favorite boxing personalities, and a guy I'm proud to call a friend.
We always end up laughing when we speak. Always a funny story, a warm memory.
He fought with courage, a throw back prizefighter who never failed to bring a crowd to their feet.

Like many, he struggled with his demons during his career.
However, unlike most, he overcame his personal challeneges, and has succeeded in life.
He has a great family, and a solid profession.

Today you'll see Frankie at various boxing functions in L.A. and at the Wild Card Gym in Hollywood, where he will work with boxers.
However, if you want an ear full of great boxing talk, just stop by "Phil's Barber Shop" in Venice.
Phil is an ex-pro with a two-chair shop on Washington Blvd.
Frankie and his father are both barbers, and alternate shifts cutting hair in the chair besides Phil.


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Check out this Highlight of Frankie Duarte. He was a helluva fighter.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wxh_OoGopgM

Randy :TU:
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Randyman wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Image
Frankie Duarte
"El Huero" . . .

This is one of my all-time favorite boxing personalities, and a guy I'm proud to call a friend.
We always end up laughing when we speak. Always a funny story, a warm memory.
He fought with courage, a throw back prizefighter who never failed to bring a crowd to their feet.

Like many, he struggled with his demons during his career.
However, unlike most, he overcame his personal challeneges, and has succeeded in life.
He has a great family, and a solid profession.

Today you'll see Frankie at various boxing functions in L.A. and at the Wild Card Gym in Hollywood, where he will work with boxers.
However, if you want an ear full of great boxing talk, just stop by "Phil's Barber Shop" in Venice.
Phil is an ex-pro with a two-chair shop on Washington Blvd.
Frankie and his father are both barbers, and alternate shifts cutting hair in the chair besides Phil.


-Rick Farris
Check out this Highlight of Frankie Duarte. He was a helluva fighter.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wxh_OoGopgM

Randy :TU:
Randy . . . Thanks for posting this. Great memories.

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Rick Farris wrote:
dagosd2000 wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:The Kids of Today and Boxing . . .

Everything changes. Today, many children are not taught that there are consequences to actions. Legalities prevent parents from disciplining their children, so it's not unusual for kids to grow up believeing that they can do as they wish until the day comes that they are literally hit in the face with brutal reality.

I'm speaking primarily of kids that grow up in America, where privleges are many, where even in economic challenging times such as these, they have it easy compared to the challenges of children in third world countries, where things are always tough and dangerous.

I was talking with my pal Steve Harpst last night. Steve is nearly 50, and grew up in Arizona where he boxed amateur in Tucson around the time the Baltazar boys were developing into solid professionals. Steve got a taste of boxing when there were still a few "old school" trainers around. Of course, that's all I knew in L.A. Nobody had to "encourage" me to hit the road, because I learned in my first bout what it felt like to run out of gas before the final bell. This introduced me first hand to "consequences".

It's kinda like that "picture that's worth a thousand words." You needn't be a Rhodes Scholar to understand a message punctuated by pain and humiliation. That's how I felt when I'd lose, humiliated, which was far more painful than the black eye I might have taken from the contest.

Today as I help Steve work with his young prospects, I'm adapting to working with as many as forty kids at a time. Certainly this is nothing unique. I'm more interested in working with the kid who has a desire, as opposed to the "natural talent" type that could care less about putting in the work necessary.

Today we have a few girls in the program. Little girls, age ten or so, and a few a little older. When I see a kid, girl or boy, really trying to get their feet under them, really trying, I step in and help. Naturally, you put most time in with those who are training for matches, but I really don't care what their future plans are. I hope most of these kids don't attempt to take their lessons into a pro ring, and most won't, or shouldn't.

A young Armenian girl quietly listens and tries hard. She is respectful and looks you in the eyes when you talk. She listens and she learns, she'll never have a fight, and it soesn't matter. Maybe one day she will be a fan and buy a ticket to a match. This is good for boxing.

I can be a disciplinarian when it comes to working with boxers, I don't sugar coat the consequences. I came up in places like the Johnny Flores Gym, Main Street Gym, Teamsters Gym, Shagrues, Stanton A.C., Sacred Heart Boys Club, etc. etc. These places no longer exist, nor do the men who made them thrive with boxing talent. It's a new world, and not a particularly a good one for young boxers in Los Angeles.

My ears are wide open to questions, however, I will not tolerate somebody "questioning" what I know to be true. A question on "how to" is invited, and I'll always provide the reason "why". But I will not debate the answer with a kid, they can listen and learn, or find out the hard way. I have no patience with today's philosophies on "open dialouge". We haven't the time.

How people live their lives outside the gym I've no control over. However, when I'm teaching it's my way, and my way only. I'm not there to be taught a lesson by a kid. Steve likes this, and it seems the kids do to. I love reading Roger's stories of the kids in his class room. He understands how society has changed, and his hands are often bound when it comes to getting his point across. In the boxing gym, I have no such constraints. If a kid is willing, so am I. That's all I can do.

I don't just teach about jabs & hooks, I talk of boxing history. I tell a brief story as the kids are wrapping their hands. They love it. And so do I. I try to let them know what it was like "back in the day."

Things have changed. We must adapt or die. But when it comes to boxing, if you don't learn your lessons properly and take it to a professional level, you can die. Sounds a bit dramatic, but I've seen it happen. We all have who post here.


-Rick Farris
Rick
Nice piece. Talk to John Scully about this. You said he was a part of Archie Moore's Any Boy Can program in Southeast San Diego. When I'd help out,I'd see the Mongoose trying instill character building as much as he'd taught boxing skills. He had signs up around the gym reminding everyone of the truths of life. NO GAIN WITHOUT PAIN. FAT HEADS FALL HARD. Some of it sounded corny,but it was true. It was Archie. It was also a small fine for using foul language. Archie told me he was only human. He tilted the pot a few times!

Roger . . . I credit Steve Harpst association with the YMCA for doing something similar, On the walls of our boxing gym (which is funded by the Y and part of their Burbank facility) are single words . . . "Charactor", "Courage", "Responsibility", "Respect", etc. reminders of qualities that need more than just space on the wall, but actual discussion. Not something read from a book, but incorporated into the lessons taught. You don't tell, you show, you must be an example. So much flowery talk will not impress a kid, you just have to make these things a part of what we do.

To be honest, there have been times in my life when I have done things that have not reflected such qualities. I've made my mistakes, I've explored doing things another way, a way that in time always comes up short. Live, learn and start over. Today, all I can do is the best I can do. I find that when I give of myself, I receive so much more in return. It's a law of nature, the law of attraction. We can attract good, or we can attract bad. It all comes down to choice.

By the way Rog, Steve will fine the kids a nickle if they tell him they "can't" or "won't" try something without good reason. Bad language does not exist in the program

Like the kids in a gym, I'm an on going work in progress.


-Rick Farris

Rick
All we can do is learn from our mistakes. Oh,I assume we'll keep making mistakes. Hopefully not the same ones. Most of the mistakes I make today are trusting people who either betray or let me down. I think I'll always be vulnerable to trusting too much. That's OK. I don't want to go around thinking everyone is a SOB.

I wrote about this before,but one time when Archie was up to his alligators trying to run his boy's club,he paused and reflected. He was talking about the money that had come and gone with his career. He looked out the window and said softly,"I was married five times."

I think he was thinking about more than just the money. I guess he couldn't come up with a sign to put on the wall explaining that one.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pMDf4ciCRs

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Rick
All we can do is learn from our mistakes. Oh,I assume we'll keep making mistakes. Hopefully not the same ones. Most of the mistakes I make today are trusting people who either betray or let me down. I think I'll always be vulnerable to trusting too much. That's OK. I don't want to go around thinking everyone is a SOB.

I wrote about this before,but one time when Archie was up to his alligators trying to run his boy's club,he paused and reflected. He was talking about the money that had come and gone with his career. He looked out the window and said softly,"I was married five times."

I think he was thinking about more than just the money. I guess he couldn't come up with a sign to put on the wall explaining that one.
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Rog . . . I think I understand this. People? I don't expect too much, and hope they don't expect too much from me. I try to keep it straight. I avoid making promises I can't keep. Once in awhile, we under estimate the good and bad in people. Some people come thru for us, others try. It's not always the result that counts but, the intention and the effort. I do my best, and that's all I hope for from others.

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Frank . . .

Just received this (See below) from promoter Ken Thompson. Thompson promotes WBC Champ Timothy Bradley.

How many other World Champions are willing to relinqish a world title on principle alone?
Bradley, like so many boxing purists, believe in ONE undisputed world champion, not the alphabet organizations.
This will likely cost him financially and perhaps professionally.

I wish him the best of luck.

Rick Farris




April 27, 2009

Mr. Jose Sulaiman Chagnon
President

World Boxing Council


Don Jose:

It has been a privilege representing the World Boxing Council as its super lightweight champion for the past 12 months and no one was more proud to wear that illustrious green belt than I.

The WBC believed in me and recognized my victories, advancing my ratings accordingly. Because of your support I was able to challenge Junior Witter for the WBC title last year and defend it and unify it, and for that I will always be grateful. It is important that unified champions should be encouraged thus eliminating the title confusion that permeates the sport or the media that cover it and the fans who follow it.

However, because the WBC has issued an edict to choose between titles, it is with a heavy heart that I relinquish my WBC title and allow the contenders below me to challenge for it.

I will always cherish my reign as WBC super lightweight champion and I hope to have the opportunity to fight for that honor again.

Sincerely,

Timothy Bradley
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dagosd2000 wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pMDf4ciCRs

Frankie Manning Lindy Hoppin'
Rog...Thanks for posting that clip of Frankie Manning.
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THE PAINT JOB

"She's not family",said my son in law as he kept switching channels with remote control. He didn't stay on one channel for more than ten seconds.
"Well I'll see. She says she can give me the bottom line on the Teflon coating."
Ana was the finance manager at the dealership. She was also Pete the cop's wife. They lived across the street from my sisters' place. I'd drink and smoke cigars with Pete and watch the games on his TV he had in the patio. Pete was Italian from Jersey. My grease ball lineage was from the Windy City. It was a common ground.

I'd been looking at the cars that had the Teflon coating. When I bought my Hyundai two years ago I didn't opt for it. Now I wished I had.
"Roger,you're taking a chance. ",said my son in law. "Mandy can get you it for under 200."
Many was my daughter and her husband's friend. Godmother to Amanda,my grand daughter. She was also the finance manager at the Toyota dealership in North County.
"Well if I get burned on the deal,it will be worth the extra hundred to know where she stands",I said.

My son in law was still clicking the remote control. He was cautious around me because I thought his taste in TV programs was juvenile to put it mildly. Sitcoms, and movies that were full of killing or sexual innuendo. I knew where he wanted to stop,but he kept on clicking the remote.

"That Obama should have shut down the border a long time ago", he ranted on.
"They still might do it."
"Between him and that Hilary Clinton. They want to be friends with our enemies."
"Didn't Bush want to contract port security to the Arabs?"
My son in law said nothing. I knew that went right by him. Besides,I didn't want to take a side on politics.Today, it's either my way or you're an ass hole. Tired of that shit.

"Well,I'm going to ask her what it's going to run me. She has to get back with me for the Vehicle ID. Number."
"You should have gone with Mandy."
"Look,I like Mandy,but she ain't your family either and you trusted her."
My son in law yelled at Adam,my grandson, to hurry up. It was time for his Karate lesson.

After they left,I called Ana. I gave her the ID. Number.
"By the way,I want to write a check. What should I put down?"
"Oh no Roger. This is on me. All the paintings you've given Pete. No this is something I'll take care of."

I thought about what my son in law had said. I was glad he wasn't right. No better feeling knowing you can trust someone.
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kikibalt wrote:
dagosd2000 wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pMDf4ciCRs

Frankie Manning Lindy Hoppin'
Rog...Thanks for posting that clip of Frankie Manning.
Frank
All I saw of that dude was a few interviews and some stories of him at the Savoy Ballroom.

I don't think he would have traded places with the King of England. (Yeah I know there's no King of England) :D
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