Wrong Division for Some TOP50 Boxers

computerrank · Post by **computerrank** » 01 Aug 2004, 06:17

Why is

- Montell Griffin moved to Cruiserweight #6, he only boxed at Light Heavyweight?

- Javier Jauregui moved to Light Welterweight #15, he only boxes at Lightweight

- Víctor Hugo Castro rated as Light WelterWeight #35, he won Argentine Lightweight Title in last bout

Freiheit · Post by **Freiheit** » 01 Aug 2004, 08:40

Try checking the editors forum, name changes thread, there is a good reason why they have been changed.
I did change Castro to lightweight.

brett · Post by **brett** » 01 Aug 2004, 12:22

Freiheit wrote:Try checking the editors forum, name changes thread, there is a good reason why they have been changed.
I did change Castro to lightweight.

????? I don't see anything in the thread about changing weight divisions.
I believe these are 2 separate issues, unless I am missing something in that thread. ?????

Blue · Post by **Blue** » 01 Aug 2004, 13:09

U are correct Brett,
This issue was discussed on this very same forum abut a month ago
on the following threads.

http://www.boxrec.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=19197

http://www.boxrec.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=19356

brett · Post by **brett** » 01 Aug 2004, 14:06

Blue wrote:U are correct Brett,
This issue was discussed on this very same forum abut a month ago
on the following threads.

http://www.boxrec.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=19197

http://www.boxrec.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=19356

Looks like 2 sides stating their opinions, but no resolution. Which brings us back to this thread. Do these fighters need to have their weight classifications corrected? computerrank seems to think so and I agree.
Anyone disagree?

Blue · Post by **Blue** » 01 Aug 2004, 18:03

computerrank Posted: 01 Aug 2004 10:17
Why is
Montell Griffin moved to Cruiserweight #6, he only boxed at Light Heavyweight?

Griffin has boxed at Cruiserweight for his last 2 fights.

- Javier Jauregui moved to Light Welterweight #15, he only boxes at Lightweight

Jauregui boxed at Light Welterweight in his last fight.

- Víctor Hugo Castro rated as Light WelterWeight #35, he won Argentine Lightweight Title in last bout

Which was last night, and it was the first time in his career that he fought at that weight.
Apparently our Argentine editor overlooked the weight classification which is easy to understand when the guy fought his previous 18 fights at Light Welterweight.

medic · Post by **medic** » 01 Aug 2004, 20:41

They were in the right divisions...you mean they had the wrong "ranking." A manager today has the luxury of calling his 143 lb fighter a Lt. Welter and may e-mail you and tell you so, then turn around and take a title fight at welter using the same criteria he used to qualify lower. "He fights at 143 lbs." When there is no weight reported for a fight then the computer has no data by which to calculate his ranking. To compensate for this editors have been enlisted to use division to report where you "think" a fighter wants to be ranked. When a weight "is" reported, all too often it isn't reflected in division, it is contradicted in favor of "ranking."

When you see a fighters last weight at 142 lbs and I call him a Welterweight, you know without question why I did it. The data matches. When I see a 142 lb fighter called a Lt. Welterweight I wonder, did someone forget to change it, does he even know what the weight classes are, or is he ranking fighters. Myself, as a record keeper, I have absolutely no concern where a fighter is ranked. In matching the weight to division I can be 100% accurate. With that accuracy, a program can be established to utilize division in leiu of the weight, for ranking purposes with a consistant data set.

What I find actually amazing is this: a fighter weighs in the day before the fight at 143 lbs, walks in to the ring and fights at 154 lbs, but wants to be ranked as a Lt. welter, and we can accomodate that because we have a program that can actually evaluate his performance at 154 lbs and position him accurately amongst 140 pounders??? NOT!!!! Why? Becuase in the rating itself not one actual fact was used. His weight. Either the official weight at weigh in or at fight time.

Computerrank I'm sure would welcome consistancy in the data (which can only come from division matching the last weight) and that consistency would improve his program because it would key in to the official weight. A program to accumulate this data and rank them separately in another field has already been discussed in previous forums and I thought gained acceptance.

Medic

medic

allamerican · Post by **allamerican** » 12 Aug 2004, 19:13

why is Rob Calloway now ranked as an cruiserweight?

computerrank · Post by **computerrank** » 13 Aug 2004, 04:49

allamerican wrote:why is Rob Calloway now ranked as an cruiserweight?

Please look here:

http://www.boxrec.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=20833

allamerican · Post by **allamerican** » 13 Aug 2004, 11:17

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computerrank · Post by **computerrank** » 13 Aug 2004, 11:38

allamerican wrote:Information

The topic or post you requested does not exist

allamerican

it does exit. You only have to click on the URL.

For your convinience here is the table with weight limits used for the ratings:

I've just made the first run. The program only uses the last bout the boxer fought in. If there is a weight then the code below is applied. If there is no weight then the division of the bout is applied. If neither then no division change is possible.

if ($weight > (210.0 * 0.45359237)) {$division = "Heavyweight"; last SWITCH;};
if ($weight > (187.5 * 0.45359237)) {$division = "Cruiserweight"; last SWITCH;};
if ($weight > (171.5 * 0.45359237)) {$division = "Light Heavyweight"; last SWITCH;};
if ($weight > (164.0 * 0.45359237)) {$division = "Super Middleweight"; last SWITCH;};
if ($weight > (157.0 * 0.45359237)) {$division = "Middleweight"; last SWITCH;};
if ($weight > (150.5 * 0.45359237)) {$division = "Light Middleweight"; last SWITCH;};
if ($weight > (143.5 * 0.45359237)) {$division = "Welterweight"; last SWITCH;};
if ($weight > (137.5 * 0.45359237)) {$division = "Light Welterweight"; last SWITCH;};
if ($weight > (132.5 * 0.45359237)) {$division = "Lightweight"; last SWITCH;};
if ($weight > (128.0 * 0.45359237)) {$division = "Super Featherweight"; last SWITCH;};
if ($weight > (124.0 * 0.45359237)) {$division = "Featherweight"; last SWITCH;};
if ($weight > (120.0 * 0.45359237)) {$division = "Super Bantamweight"; last SWITCH;};
if ($weight > (116.5 * 0.45359237)) {$division = "Bantamweight"; last SWITCH;};
if ($weight > (113.5 * 0.45359237)) {$division = "Super Flyweight"; last SWITCH;};
if ($weight > (110.0 * 0.45359237)) {$division = "Flyweight"; last SWITCH;};
if ($weight > (106.5 * 0.45359237)) {$division = "Light Flyweight"; last SWITCH;};
if ($weight > (80 * 0.45359237)) {$division = "Minimumweight"; last SWITCH;};

Best regards
Martin

Freiheit · Post by **Freiheit** » 13 Aug 2004, 12:00

The original thread is in the editors forum thats why he cant see it

computerrank · Post by **computerrank** » 13 Aug 2004, 12:11

Freiheit wrote:The original thread is in the editors forum thats why he cant see it

Thanks Freiheit, sorry allamerican

I wasn't aware of this.

Best regards
Martin