Most Overrated Non-Heavyweight Of Alltime

[Goodnight, Irene]

"I never said Chavez wasn't great and Holmes absolutely is the more accomplished fighter." - Saad

Holmes? Larry Holmes!? & you call me nuts for saying Chavez is more accomplished than Hearns!?

Is this a gag? Holmes more accomplished than Chavez!?

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Yup, I don't consider it to be close. I wouldn't argue with someone that ranked Holmes ahead of Hearns.

[Jaywheel]

"I never said Chavez wasn't great and Holmes absolutely is the more accomplished fighter." - Saad

Holmes? Larry Holmes!? & you call me nuts for saying Chavez is more accomplished than Hearns!?

Is this a gag? Holmes more accomplished than Chavez!?

He does refer to Bert Sugar. This might explain that...

[SaadOffTheDeck]

LOL, I refer to Bert sugar as a buffoon.

[Jaywheel]

My bad, didn't know you were such a farceur.

[milmascaras1]

saad,

and where did i write that he was the greatest fighter in the last 40-50 years? i think you need a listen in comprehensive skills because i said "he accomplished more than any fighter in the last 40-50 years". i believe that is a little different than what you posted? again, why am i even responding to a baboso like you pretty little irene?

[SaadOffTheDeck]

To most of us accomplishments and greatness are one in the same. Either way, you're terribly wrong.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

My bad, didn't know you were such a farceur.

I would never initiate any conversation on Bert Sugar. But if someone brings him up to validate a debate, after I'm finished laughing I'll comment.

[Aftermath]

Max Kellerman is another one who ranks Chavez in the Top Ten in 3 different divisions. I don't agree with everything Kellerman says but he's entitled to his opinions and he would probably like to express them.

After reading all these posts I still don't think Chavez is over rated.

I'm not a fanboy, just a casual observer that enjoys following boxing, among many other things in life.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

You don't come off as one. All time rankings are pretty subjective and I have him in the top75 myself.

[Ambling Alp]

I think De La hoya has been discussed enough.

Camacho was a great fighter for awhile until he fought Edwin Rosario. He had great speed, great defense and decent power. He was a boxer who could punch. However, after he got hurt in the Rosario fight, he changed. He became a runner who occasionally boxed. He landed few punches but received even less.

Wss he overrated? Well people don't like him, so many call him overrated.
If a lot people rated him as one of the top 50 fighters of all-time or something like that, then yes he would be overrated. However, it does seem like many people rate him that high.

As disappointing as his career was, he did beat several good fighters. He did enough to be in the Hall of Fame in a few years.

[Goodnight, Irene]

I think De La hoya has been discussed enough.

Camacho was a great fighter for awhile until he fought Edwin Rosario. He had great speed, great defense and decent power. He was a boxer who could punch. However, after he got hurt in the Rosario fight, he changed. He became a runner who occasionally boxed. He landed few punches but received even less.

Wss he overrated? Well people don't like him, so many call him overrated.
If a lot people rated him as one of the top 50 fighters of all-time or something like that, then yes he would be overrated. However, it does seem like many people rate him that high.

As disappointing as his career was, he did beat several good fighters. He did enough to be in the Hall of Fame in a few years.

I used to say, no matter what came later, people forgot what a genuinely terrific fighter Camacho was at both 130 & 135lbs.

Now, I think it's more likely they choose not to remember.

[Expug]

Mark Breland was a good fighter.
However, he came with alot of hype from having such an outstanding amateur career.
He couldnt quite live up to what folks thought he would do as a pro.
Is the question whether a fighter who was a champ is looked upon too favorably for some?
Or is the question whether a fighter was maybe too highly regarded and didnt quite achieve what was expected from the masses?
I would say Breland fits the second question.

[milmascaras1]

true, i think breland was extremely overhyped. fantastic amateur fighter but didn't work out quite as well as a pro. still a good pro but not nearly worthy of the hype.

[Ambling Alp]

I think De La hoya has been discussed enough.

Camacho was a great fighter for awhile until he fought Edwin Rosario. He had great speed, great defense and decent power. He was a boxer who could punch. However, after he got hurt in the Rosario fight, he changed. He became a runner who occasionally boxed. He landed few punches but received even less.

Wss he overrated? Well people don't like him, so many call him overrated.
If a lot people rated him as one of the top 50 fighters of all-time or something like that, then yes he would be overrated. However, it does seem like many people rate him that high.

As disappointing as his career was, he did beat several good fighters. He did enough to be in the Hall of Fame in a few years.

I used to say, no matter what came later, people forgot what a genuinely terrific fighter Camacho was at both 130 & 135lbs.

Now, I think it's more likely they choose not to remember.

Looking at Camacho's career tells me that he might not quite get the credit he deserves. i may have mistaken the excessive popularity of a fighter's image for overrated credit as a boxer. I just did not care to watch the guy fight, but he had 79 fights and most of his losses are to excellent boxers. It also does seem that he was quite a force at 130, 135. As far as De La Hoya is concerned, i have not seen his name mentioned excessively on this topic. Again, is he overrated or just not considered an elite level fighter. It seems like he was very concerned about his image and his legacy in boxing. Did the Pac fight damage his legacy or did it just elevate Pac to a new level?

Not on this specific thread, but rating De La hoya has been talked to death. He had so many close fights, sometimes getting the decision, sometimes not. and the people that don't like don't think he deserved the decisons that he did get (ie-Sturm,Qaurtey). The people that do like him think he got ripped off. (ie-Trinidad, 2nd Mosley fight.)

Years from now the loss to Pac won't look so bad, he was well past it. A nice win with Pac who looked great. However, it's not like he beat a prime De La hoya. (which he may have done, we will never know.)

Camacho was a great fighter at one time. And he beat a lot of very good fighters-Davis,Rosario, Boza-Edwards, Pazienza,Haugen etc. (he should not have got the decision against Mancini)

Like Pac, maybe Camacho's best performance was against a guy that was past it. He looked fantastic against a past it Bazooka Limon.