Top 5 Light-Heavyweights of all time

[BoxBuzz]

granberry, how would you have imagined the scheduled (but canceled) rematch between Matt (Saad) and Eddie (Mustafa) would have played out? It was canceled rather last minute as I recall.

[The End]

Spinks lost to Eddie Davis.

Davis bloodied Spinks up and beat the hell out of him.

It took crooked Larry Hazzard, this time as a 'judge,' to save Spinks' neck in that one.

That 'decision' stunk to high heavens.

And of course there was the Larry Hazzard special where Hazzard came up behind Vonzell Johnson and touched him and then shot away, so that Johnson who was safe in close quarters, thought the ref was breaking them

and stepped back right into Spinks' comfortable punching range where Spinks hit him and knocked him down

and Hazzard came running in with a grin on his face and stopped the fight.

Right on TV in the corner between rounds, Vonzell Johnson's cornerman Angelo Dundee said to Johnson, "If he hits you with another elbow, kick him."

Spinks specialized in following up a left hook with by snapping his elbow into your chin. He did the same with an uppercut.
His sparring partners showed me how he practiced that.
He landed a perfect elbow on Marvin Johnson.

Spinks could weigh 173 1/2 so his manager Butch Lewis had the scales set a pound and half heavy. Eddie Gregory then weighed well over the limit when he actually did weigh 175. He spent the day of their fight in a steam room. Notice that Gregory beat Spinks clearly in the first part of the fight and then ran out of gas.

For the second fight with Spinks, Gregory had a calibrated scale set up in his hotel room. I weighed him myself at Adrian Davis' gym several days before their 2nd scheduled fight and he weighed below 175.

At the weigh in of course the "scales" said Gregory weighed over 175. He knew that was horseshit and he refused to fight. The fight was cancelled.

Without Larry Hazzard there to help him, Butch Lewis there to pay off Hazzard and the other NJ officials and rig the scales, and the use of his elbows,
Spinks was a far cry from a 'great' lightheavyweight.

Do you have anything to support this other than your word?

[man]

In my humble opinion:

1-Gene Tunney
2-Ezzard Charles
3-Sam Langford
4-Michael Spinks
5-Archie Moore
6-Bob Fitzsimmons
7-Tommy Gibbons
8-Harry Greb
9-Tommy Loughran
10-Billy Conn
11-Jimmy Bivins
12-Harold Johnson
13-Kid Norfolk
14-Bob Foster
15-Dwight Muhammad Qawi

roy jones not even in top 15?

[granberry]

Spinks lost to Eddie Davis.

Davis bloodied Spinks up and beat the hell out of him.

It took crooked Larry Hazzard, this time as a 'judge,' to save Spinks' neck in that one.

That 'decision' stunk to high heavens.

And of course there was the Larry Hazzard special where Hazzard came up behind Vonzell Johnson and touched him and then shot away, so that Johnson who was safe in close quarters, thought the ref was breaking them

and stepped back right into Spinks' comfortable punching range where Spinks hit him and knocked him down

and Hazzard came running in with a grin on his face and stopped the fight.

Right on TV in the corner between rounds, Vonzell Johnson's cornerman Angelo Dundee said to Johnson, "If he hits you with another elbow, kick him."

Spinks specialized in following up a left hook with by snapping his elbow into your chin. He did the same with an uppercut.
His sparring partners showed me how he practiced that.
He landed a perfect elbow on Marvin Johnson.

Spinks could weigh 173 1/2 so his manager Butch Lewis had the scales set a pound and half heavy. Eddie Gregory then weighed well over the limit when he actually did weigh 175. He spent the day of their fight in a steam room. Notice that Gregory beat Spinks clearly in the first part of the fight and then ran out of gas.

For the second fight with Spinks, Gregory had a calibrated scale set up in his hotel room. I weighed him myself at Adrian Davis' gym several days before their 2nd scheduled fight and he weighed below 175.

At the weigh in of course the "scales" said Gregory weighed over 175. He knew that was horseshit and he refused to fight. The fight was cancelled.

Without Larry Hazzard there to help him, Butch Lewis there to pay off Hazzard and the other NJ officials and rig the scales, and the use of his elbows,
Spinks was a far cry from a 'great' lightheavyweight.

Do you have anything to support this other than your word?

If you were competent in your familiairty with these fights you wouldn't have to ask such a clueless question.

Here is your assignment:

Look up the write up of each of these fights the day after they took place.

Then you can look up the write-ups of the aborted Spinks-Gregory 2nd fight and see why Gregory refused to fight.

[The End]

Spinks lost to Eddie Davis.

Davis bloodied Spinks up and beat the hell out of him.

It took crooked Larry Hazzard, this time as a 'judge,' to save Spinks' neck in that one.

That 'decision' stunk to high heavens.

And of course there was the Larry Hazzard special where Hazzard came up behind Vonzell Johnson and touched him and then shot away, so that Johnson who was safe in close quarters, thought the ref was breaking them

and stepped back right into Spinks' comfortable punching range where Spinks hit him and knocked him down

and Hazzard came running in with a grin on his face and stopped the fight.

Right on TV in the corner between rounds, Vonzell Johnson's cornerman Angelo Dundee said to Johnson, "If he hits you with another elbow, kick him."

Spinks specialized in following up a left hook with by snapping his elbow into your chin. He did the same with an uppercut.
His sparring partners showed me how he practiced that.
He landed a perfect elbow on Marvin Johnson.

Spinks could weigh 173 1/2 so his manager Butch Lewis had the scales set a pound and half heavy. Eddie Gregory then weighed well over the limit when he actually did weigh 175. He spent the day of their fight in a steam room. Notice that Gregory beat Spinks clearly in the first part of the fight and then ran out of gas.

For the second fight with Spinks, Gregory had a calibrated scale set up in his hotel room. I weighed him myself at Adrian Davis' gym several days before their 2nd scheduled fight and he weighed below 175.

At the weigh in of course the "scales" said Gregory weighed over 175. He knew that was horseshit and he refused to fight. The fight was cancelled.

Without Larry Hazzard there to help him, Butch Lewis there to pay off Hazzard and the other NJ officials and rig the scales, and the use of his elbows,
Spinks was a far cry from a 'great' lightheavyweight.

Do you have anything to support this other than your word?

If you were competent in your familiairty with these fights you wouldn't have to ask such a clueless question.

Here is your assignment:

Look up the write up of each of these fights the day after they took place.

Then you can look up the write-ups of the aborted Spinks-Gregory 2nd fight and see why Gregory refused to fight.

The answer to my question would be no.

You consistantly make preposterous statements with nothing to support them.

[granberry]

Do you have anything to support this other than your word?

If you were competent in your familiairty with these fights you wouldn't have to ask such a clueless question.

Here is your assignment:

Look up the write up of each of these fights the day after they took place.

Then you can look up the write-ups of the aborted Spinks-Gregory 2nd fight and see why Gregory refused to fight.

The answer to my question would be no.

You consistantly make preposterous statements with nothing to support them.

You failed your assigment, halfwit.

[Ezzard]

Spinks lost to Eddie Davis.

Davis bloodied Spinks up and beat the hell out of him.

It took crooked Larry Hazzard, this time as a 'judge,' to save Spinks' neck in that one.

That 'decision' stunk to high heavens.

And of course there was the Larry Hazzard special where Hazzard came up behind Vonzell Johnson and touched him and then shot away, so that Johnson who was safe in close quarters, thought the ref was breaking them

and stepped back right into Spinks' comfortable punching range where Spinks hit him and knocked him down

and Hazzard came running in with a grin on his face and stopped the fight.

Right on TV in the corner between rounds, Vonzell Johnson's cornerman Angelo Dundee said to Johnson, "If he hits you with another elbow, kick him."

Spinks specialized in following up a left hook with by snapping his elbow into your chin. He did the same with an uppercut.
His sparring partners showed me how he practiced that.
He landed a perfect elbow on Marvin Johnson.

Spinks could weigh 173 1/2 so his manager Butch Lewis had the scales set a pound and half heavy. Eddie Gregory then weighed well over the limit when he actually did weigh 175. He spent the day of their fight in a steam room. Notice that Gregory beat Spinks clearly in the first part of the fight and then ran out of gas.

For the second fight with Spinks, Gregory had a calibrated scale set up in his hotel room. I weighed him myself at Adrian Davis' gym several days before their 2nd scheduled fight and he weighed below 175.

At the weigh in of course the "scales" said Gregory weighed over 175. He knew that was horseshit and he refused to fight. The fight was cancelled.

Without Larry Hazzard there to help him, Butch Lewis there to pay off Hazzard and the other NJ officials and rig the scales, and the use of his elbows,
Spinks was a far cry from a 'great' lightheavyweight.

Do you have anything to support this other than your word?

I’ve heard other people report the same story before…

Don’t know if it’s true but there is some currency in it.

[dempseyfire]

Grimm, I haven't seen him fight, so I can only rate the fighters I've seen so no. But when I look at his record I'm impressed. Still based on records you'd think someone would. I guess he has one of the top ten records in the sport. But without seeing a single round of his work I can't commit. But many of us here compile there lists based on records. I just don't do it that way anymore. I've been persuaded by a some threads here to only weigh in on fighters I've seen.

Isn't that a little conceited? Why would seeing him once with your own eyes drastically change your opinion? Clearly he was a great fighter, you don't rack up wins vs that comp by being crappy . . .plus there are films available of many of the guys he defeated.

Now when talking about much older fighters like Sullivan and Jefferies I concur ranking them head to head can be trick b/c of the differences in the sport in their day, but that's not the issue here.

[dempseyfire]

In my humble opinion:

1-Gene Tunney
2-Ezzard Charles
3-Sam Langford
4-Michael Spinks
5-Archie Moore
6-Bob Fitzsimmons
7-Tommy Gibbons
8-Harry Greb
9-Tommy Loughran
10-Billy Conn
11-Jimmy Bivins
12-Harold Johnson
13-Kid Norfolk
14-Bob Foster
15-Dwight Muhammad Qawi

roy jones not even in top 15?

What did Roy do at 175? His best wins are over Hill and barely getting by Tarver the first time, who sparked him out cold in their rematch.

[Seamus]

Not a single mention of Mickey Walker ? Not only were his exploits at LHW impressive, but the fact that he was beating good HW's while sometimes weighing in the 160's tells me he'd have a decent shot at beating several of the guys already named.

[Goodnight, Irene]

Not a single mention of Mickey Walker ? Not only were his exploits at LHW impressive, but the fact that he was beating good HW's while sometimes weighing in the 160's tells me he'd have a decent shot at beating several of the guys already named.

One of my favourite ring legends. Always loved his handle --- "The Toy Bulldog"

[enrique]

Charles and Tunney were heavyweight champions and I would rank them in that division for accomplishment. Langford who knows? He has accomplishments in every weight class.

Based on this I would go with Moore, Foster, Loughran, Rosenbloom as my first four with the rest up for grabs.

No one has ranked Philadelphia Jack O'Brien in their top choices.

[granberry]

Philadelphia Jack O'Brien won the lightheavyweight title from Bob Fitzsimmons.

He fought Jack Johnson, Tommy Burns, Stanley Ketchel, Sam Langford, Marvin Hart, Joe Walcott

etc

He was one of the great movers on his feet ever.

[raylawpc]

No one has ranked Philadelphia Jack O'Brien in their top choices.

Nat Fleischer ranked O'Brien as the #2 All-Time Light Heavyweight and Charley Rose ranked him as the #3 All-Time Light Heavyweight. Recently, Tracy Callis ranked him as the #5 All-Time Light Heavyweight.

[BoxBuzz]

Grimm, I haven't seen him fight, so I can only rate the fighters I've seen so no. But when I look at his record I'm impressed. Still based on records you'd think someone would. I guess he has one of the top ten records in the sport. But without seeing a single round of his work I can't commit. But many of us here compile there lists based on records. I just don't do it that way anymore. I've been persuaded by a some threads here to only weigh in on fighters I've seen.

Isn't that a little conceited? Why would seeing him once with your own eyes drastically change your opinion? Clearly he was a great fighter, you don't rack up wins vs that comp by being crappy . . .plus there are films available of many of the guys he defeated.

Now when talking about much older fighters like Sullivan and Jefferies I concur ranking them head to head can be trick b/c of the differences in the sport in their day, but that's not the issue here.

Hmm thought I was clear enough. Maybe you say PO TAY TOH and I say PO TAH TOH.....LOL. But his record is pretty compelling isn't it? I was chided by some tough personalities here a while back that I had no right attempting to rate fighters I've never seen. So....I've been attempting to find some Rosenbloom fights and have come up with the big doughnut so far. Have you seen anything at all on him in terms of films?

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