Klitschko v Chambers Round by Round

[glahn]

To beat Klitschko you need reach, power and speed (of both hand and foot). Haye has two of these things. Sam Peter nearly beat Wlad and he only has one of them. Of the other guys he has fought since he lost to Brewster the majority have been small and slow, and the rest have been big and slow (and lacking a punch). That, of course, is symptomatic of the state of heavyweight boxing in general, but it also suggests to me that Povetkin and Haye could both give Wlad a real argument. They both have more tools than anyone else he has faced since he last lost.

[forcefraser]

To beat Wlad one has to put it on him and force him onto the back foot. This is no easy task, but letting him fight from the comfort zone will spell disaster, as he can control the fight all night like that.

He is not good under pressure and it will mean someone taking a chance to actually land sustained punches on him. There is no point looking for single shots against him. He has to be under a barrage and made to work on the back foot. If Haye fights him, this is his only chance in my opinion. Get into his face from the off and give him no time to settle.

[jamesmcdonnell]

To beat Klitschko you need reach, power and speed (of both hand and foot). Haye has two of these things. Sam Peter nearly beat Wlad and he only has one of them. Of the other guys he has fought since he lost to Brewster the majority have been small and slow, and the rest have been big and slow (and lacking a punch). That, of course, is symptomatic of the state of heavyweight boxing in general, but it also suggests to me that Povetkin and Haye could both give Wlad a real argument. They both have more tools than anyone else he has faced since he last lost.

However, against Valuev, who is slower, less skilled, and hits less hard than Wlad, Haye was fighting in retreat skittering around the ring and throwing about four shots a round. If he was that negative against Valuev, how is he going to be able to be so aggressive against Wlad? I think that Haye is probably going to try and land one big shot whilst fighting negatively.

[Raff The Frenchman]

To beat Klitschko you need reach, power and speed (of both hand and foot). Haye has two of these things. Sam Peter nearly beat Wlad and he only has one of them. Of the other guys he has fought since he lost to Brewster the majority have been small and slow, and the rest have been big and slow (and lacking a punch). That, of course, is symptomatic of the state of heavyweight boxing in general, but it also suggests to me that Povetkin and Haye could both give Wlad a real argument. They both have more tools than anyone else he has faced since he last lost.

However, against Valuev, who is slower, less skilled, and hits less hard than Wlad, Haye was fighting in retreat skittering around the ring and throwing about four shots a round. If he was that negative against Valuev, how is he going to be able to be so aggressive against Wlad? I think that Haye is probably going to try and land one big shot whilst fighting negatively.

And Wlad is very good vs negative fighters because they don't put any kind of pressure on him and he is very patient. He knows he only needs 1 good right hand to land.
Also people prolly don't know, but Wlad's jab when it lands, hits harder than other boxer's power punches. It scores as a jab on compubox but to his opponents it scores like a bomb.

[J]

save your licking arse for the current scene please raff no interest here.


Haye would need to land early and hard against vlad boxing form the outside isnt gonna work get in there and get amongst it is his best chance.

[Raff The Frenchman]

save your licking arse for the current scene please raff no interest here.


Haye would need to land early and hard against vlad boxing form the outside isnt gonna work get in there and get amongst it is his best chance.

What licking arse? you mean by opposition to riding Haye's dick?

[J]

and where i have been doing that, you hijack every thread about a klitschko and post biased ridiculous comments its boring as all hell.

i.e. Vlad is a top 20 all time heavyweight

save it for the threads on the current scene dont need it here too..

[Raff The Frenchman]

and where i have been doing that, you hijack every thread about a klitschko and post biased ridiculous comments its boring as all hell.

i.e. Vlad is a top 20 all time heavyweight

save it for the threads on the current scene dont need it here too..

Stop being paranoid and chill out ! my post wasn't aimed at you, it was a response to some guy saying the same old shit about Wlad sucking and Haye going to knock him out.

[J]

PARANOID YOU QUOTED MY POST DUDE!

[Raff The Frenchman]

PARANOID YOU QUOTED MY POST DUDE!

I quoted jamesmcdonnell's post and emphasized the fact that Wlad might do well vs Haye, nothing more ! then you went on calling me arse licker so of course I quoted you in defense then after !

[glahn]

To beat Klitschko you need reach, power and speed (of both hand and foot). Haye has two of these things. Sam Peter nearly beat Wlad and he only has one of them. Of the other guys he has fought since he lost to Brewster the majority have been small and slow, and the rest have been big and slow (and lacking a punch). That, of course, is symptomatic of the state of heavyweight boxing in general, but it also suggests to me that Povetkin and Haye could both give Wlad a real argument. They both have more tools than anyone else he has faced since he last lost.

However, against Valuev, who is slower, less skilled, and hits less hard than Wlad, Haye was fighting in retreat skittering around the ring and throwing about four shots a round. If he was that negative against Valuev, how is he going to be able to be so aggressive against Wlad? I think that Haye is probably going to try and land one big shot whilst fighting negatively.

And Wlad is very good vs negative fighters because they don't put any kind of pressure on him and he is very patient. He knows he only needs 1 good right hand to land.
Also people prolly don't know, but Wlad's jab when it lands, hits harder than other boxer's power punches. It scores as a jab on compubox but to his opponents it scores like a bomb.

Haye isn't a negative fighter. He fought negatively against Valuev because the circumstances demanded it. Just as he will fight much more positively against Wlad because the circumstances will demand it. Haye and Adam Booth are smart enough to realise that a repeat of the Valuev performance isn't going to do it against either Klitschko...

[Raff The Frenchman]

However, against Valuev, who is slower, less skilled, and hits less hard than Wlad, Haye was fighting in retreat skittering around the ring and throwing about four shots a round. If he was that negative against Valuev, how is he going to be able to be so aggressive against Wlad? I think that Haye is probably going to try and land one big shot whilst fighting negatively.

And Wlad is very good vs negative fighters because they don't put any kind of pressure on him and he is very patient. He knows he only needs 1 good right hand to land.
Also people prolly don't know, but Wlad's jab when it lands, hits harder than other boxer's power punches. It scores as a jab on compubox but to his opponents it scores like a bomb.

Haye isn't a negative fighter. He fought negatively against Valuev because the circumstances demanded it. Just as he will fight much more positively against Wlad because the circumstances will demand it. Haye and Adam Booth are smart enough to realise that a repeat of the Valuev performance isn't going to do it against either Klitschko...

What circumstances are you talking about?
Valuev is big and tall, and so is Wlad
Valuev is slow, Wlad is very fast
Valuev has little power and throws mostly arm punches, Wlad has the biggest power in the division and throws every jab with bad intentions.
Valuev is flat footed, Wlad is fleet footed.
Valuev has a rather low workrate, Wlad has now excellent conditioning and can throw 50+ punches per round.
Valuev has a granite chin, Wlad hasn't, but has good defense skills unlike Valuev.

Circumstances will not be the same indeed, they will be aggravated in comparison to Valuev. vs Valuev, Haye actually could easily get inside and land flurries and hurt Valuev, he was much much faster and could have kept working inside and without many risks. He didn't do it. Explain why he would do it vs Wlad who will make it close to impossible to get inside?

[jBacca]

To land on that brittle chin.

[Raff The Frenchman]

To land on that brittle chin.

isn't easy

[15829]

wlads jab would make hayes leg buckle and as long as wlad plays it safe like normaly does hed stop haye late on, hayes best bet would to be to fight vitali

[crusader]

To land on that brittle chin.

Wlad could probably crack Haye's brittle chin with one of his jabs.