Vitali and Wladimir Klitschko Vs. the ATGs (15 rounds)

[Ezzard]

"The problem with what your saying (entertainment wise) is that I lived through the 1980s heavyweight scene and unlike some I don’t get all misty-eyed over it. Greg Page versus Tony Tubbs… It’s on film, check it out. Tim Witherspoon a great talent who ate his career away. Cross-channel swimmer David Bey. Pinklon Thomas and Trevor Berbick… every time one of them looked like emerging they lost to an equally lackadaisical contender.

Taking their career performances as a whole they’d have ruled the 1980s if we take Holmes and Tyson out of the equation. Sure Wlad would have lost the odd fight to a Weaver or a Bruno or a Bonecrusher but through sheer discipline and application they’d have had enough to be the stand out HWs.

They’d have beaten a post-Witherspoon Holmes, who was on the slide. And I’d bet on Vitali to beat post-Spinks Tyson." - Ezz

...So if a snail beats a slug in a race, it's no longer slow?

He's no longer slow, if, as in this case, you were basing your definition of speed on the slug.

[Ezzard]

I was there in the 80s too and while it was full of inconsistent guys ,they were by and large far superior to the crop of no-talents now. Wlad in the past 5 years hasn't fought anyone on the level of a prime Trevor Berbick let alone a Tucker or a Witherspoon. Put Wlad in the 80s and he can beat most of them on any given night but he loses several as well if he, to his detriment, meets them on a night when they actually trained and aren't strung out on coke. Forget about it vs real great fighters. People are impressed b/c he stopped a Sam Peter after 10 awful rounds?? I can't even imagine how ugly the destruction would be if you'd thrown tubby Sam in there with a Dempsey or Louis or Liston . . they would've been massacres ended within 4 rounds.

Sam Peter epitomises 80s heavyweights. He could easily have been a belt holder in the 80s. There are plenty of people on their records that would have been on a par with Berbick.

I'm impressed because they've stuck around long enough. I'm also impressed that they have some intelligence and don't just talk bu11sh1t, bite opponent's ears and bring boxing into the gutter.

They also turn up in shape and act like professional sportsmen.

I'm not trying to talk them up to Mount Rushmore. BUT I think it's a fair call to have them in a HW top 30 and I do believe it's time to stop moaning about them and appreciate that boxing would have been far worse off without them.

[Bricks]

Long list I'll give my opinion a few fights at a time.

Wladimir vs

Holyfield: L KO 11
Ingemar Johansson: KO 2
Floyd Patterson: KO 3
Jack Johnson: KO 5
Gene Tunney: KO 5
Jerry Quarry: KO 4
Ali: L 15 ( UD)
Sonny Liston: KO 7
Joe Louis: KO 6 ( yeah that's right, styles make fights, Louis never fought a style like a Klitschko)

Rocky Marciano: TKO 10 cuts damage win for Wlad
George Foreman: L KO 4
Lennox Lewis: L KO 8
Mike Tyson: W 15 or possibly late KO
Max Baer: KO 4
Jersey Joe Walcott: KO 6
Larry Holmes: L 15
Riddick Bowe: L KO 6 ( Bowe's superior in-fighting would best Wlad)

Ken Norton: KO 4
Max Schmeling: KO 3
Joe Frazier: KO 8

I know a lot of people will disagree with me, but I think it's fair to say Wladimir or Vitali would at the very least be a very tall order ( no pun intended ) for any ATG. You gotta bring your A Game to compete with these guys.

I never knew the perfect style antidote to blinding handspeed, crippling power, & perfect technique came in the form of a fella who's made a career of arm punches, & another without a chin...

Do you have anything to offer the board anymore other than trolling and cheap cliches that stand up about as much as a dead drongos dingo?

[Goodnight, Irene]

Long list I'll give my opinion a few fights at a time.

Wladimir vs

Holyfield: L KO 11
Ingemar Johansson: KO 2
Floyd Patterson: KO 3
Jack Johnson: KO 5
Gene Tunney: KO 5
Jerry Quarry: KO 4
Ali: L 15 ( UD)
Sonny Liston: KO 7
Joe Louis: KO 6 ( yeah that's right, styles make fights, Louis never fought a style like a Klitschko)

Rocky Marciano: TKO 10 cuts damage win for Wlad
George Foreman: L KO 4
Lennox Lewis: L KO 8
Mike Tyson: W 15 or possibly late KO
Max Baer: KO 4
Jersey Joe Walcott: KO 6
Larry Holmes: L 15
Riddick Bowe: L KO 6 ( Bowe's superior in-fighting would best Wlad)

Ken Norton: KO 4
Max Schmeling: KO 3
Joe Frazier: KO 8

I know a lot of people will disagree with me, but I think it's fair to say Wladimir or Vitali would at the very least be a very tall order ( no pun intended ) for any ATG. You gotta bring your A Game to compete with these guys.

I never knew the perfect style antidote to blinding handspeed, crippling power, & perfect technique came in the form of a fella who's made a career of arm punches, & another without a chin...

Do you have anything to offer the board anymore other than trolling and cheap cliches that stand up about as much as a dead drongos dingo?

We getting back to the base-level cultural stereotypes then, are we?

Fvck off & brush your teeth, you British grub. I can smell your breath from here.

[Bricks]

I remember back in 1990 when Eddie Futch advised Pernell Whittaker to fight Azumah Nelson like he had bad breath..........he was an ex military man Eddie, y'know....

[chucktaylor]

I'd like to see Wlad time travel to the Jack Johnson era and deal with his style in a 45 round classic. Johnson never faced anyone nearly as big, Wlad has never faced anyone with those type of in-fighting skills (not to mention a few other "tactics" Johnson was known to employ... )

[Goodnight, Irene]

I'd like to see Wlad time travel to the Jack Johnson era and deal with his style in a 45 round classic. Johnson never faced anyone nearly as big, Wlad has never faced anyone with those type of in-fighting skills (not to mention a few other "tactics" Johnson was known to employ... )

Yeah. Klitschko positively towered over Willard