USA vs Italy!

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07champ
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USA vs Italy!

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Even though Geffard lost it was a close one and he gave the cocky Itaian all he could handle..the last 20 seconds I gave me chills because it seemed that Steve was going to pull the upset off :lol: ..and then the last 10 seconds were bizarre becase I didnt know why Russo was awared those 2 points :witzend: . Maybe you guys can help me out? All in all Geffard was impressive.

Also Warren and Arias fought well..even though Warren came up short he should have kept his hands up more he would of beaten Picardi (08 Bronze Medalist)

Steve Geffard vs Clemnte Russo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDfP2tFghTk

Luis Arias vs Luca Podda
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyIFhs8DaGU

Warren vs Picardi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4VxXBsAb38
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07champ wrote: ..and then the last 10 seconds were bizarre becase I didnt know why Russo was awared those 2 points :witzend: . Maybe you guys can help me out?
I don't have to see that fight to know that after watching hundreds of international bouts, you are going to get screwed when boxing one of the home country favorites even though Russo does not impress me. I will agree he is cocky though.
It is sad to say that international amateur boxing is becoming a joke. There is so many BS decisions because of politics. The bad decisions were there before electronic scoring but it is even worse to watch now with open scoring when you see someone gets points they didn't deserve. Remember Irelands Kenny Egan at 81 kg in the Olympic gold medal against the Chinese boxer? Egan landed punches and the Chinese boxer got the points and gold medal. It is getting tough to watch more of that. It's killing the great sport of amateur boxing.
Because of the BS decisions, etc, it's no wonder that many of the US amateurs turn pro at a young age. They figure if you are going to get screwed, you might as well get paid to get screwed. Why do it for trophies?
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I bet it was an Italian ref with 1 Italian judge and 2 USA judges. With that setup you get cheated by the ref, otherwise you get cheated with the scoring.
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I just watched the video of Warren vs Picardi and Rau'shee got the typical international robbery. The ref was American so that means two of the 3 judges were Italian. In the 1st round Warren had Picardi up against the ropes and landed 2 clean punches without any punches thrown back from the Italian but Picardi gets a point and Rau'shee gets none. In the last round with the Italian up, you know they are not going to give Rau'shee enough points to win which is what happened. Rua'shee landed punches and no points and Picardi throws something that was sort of close and he gets points. They only gave Rau'shee points when they knew their guy had enough to win.

In the Geffard vs Russo fight the ref was Italian so that means two of the 3 judges are Americans. In the last round Geffard is getting fair scoring and towards the end of the round Geffard ties the score. If you look at the ref, you see he starts looking outside the ring twice in the same place, probably at the president of the Italian federation Franco Falcinelli and all of sudden the ref stops the fight with like 2 seconds to go and issues a total bullshit warning for a foul for use of the head. Geffard never did anything wrong the whole fight with his head. He never had any cautions issued to him. Granted a ref can issue a warning without any prior cautions which if accepted by the judges means two points for the other boxer. He can only do that for harm fouls like a low blow or head butt but there was no illegal use of the head. The worse thing that happened here is that at least one of the US and maybe both (I don't know) went along and agreed with the ref and pushed the warning button!! WTF! :witzend: It was obvious what the ref was doing....trying to guarantee a win for Russo but the US officials just don't have enough international experience to realize what BS that was. The one or both should have never pushed their warning button and the bout ends up a draw or they go to the tie breaker. In international duals, you can have a draw if agreed ahead of time.
Same old crap...never changes.
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JMac - actually Steve got cautioned 3 times for ducking/leading with the head. The cautions in the bout were as follows:
1st rd: Russo for ducking/leading with the head
2nd rd: Steve for ducking/leading with the head
2nd rd: Russo for pushing
2nd rd: Russo for pushing down on opponent's head
3rd rd: Steve 2nd caution for ducking/leading with the head
3rd rd: Russo for holding
3rd rd: Russo 2nd caution for holding
3rd rd: Russo 3RD CAUTION for holding
3rd rd: Steve for kidney punch
3rd rd: Steve 3RD CAUTION for ducking/leading with the head - at 0:59 of the round and the ref really admonishes him to let him know "no more ducking with the head".
3rd rd: At 0:24-0:20 Russo throws a flurry and at 0:18 a point for Russo registers on the scoreboard and Russo's corner lets him know. Steve throws a right at 0:15 and then the two boxers clinch, a point registers for Steve at 0:12 and the ref realized the score was tied (he probably heard the Italian coaches yelling it at Russo) then issues the warning against Steve for ducking/leading with the head. Giving the warning at that point in the bout was "politics", "favoritism", "home cooking" or whatever else you want to call it.
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OK so I didn't pick up the other cautions because I was watching to see punches land and scores change but it was still very much a BS call at the end as you said and if at least one US judge didn't agree with the ref and push the button, Russo does not get the 2 points.
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Too many judges just blindly (pun intended) go along with the referees' calls. More of them need to take a stand on some of the crap that goes on.
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yea Russo was holding the whole fight .. Our guy did great though .. He should beat him next time
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Russo is very strong
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