British Top 30 P4P October 2010

[Horse]

1. (1.) David Haye
2. (2.) Amir Khan
3. (4.) Carl Froch
4. (8.) Nathan Cleverly
5. (5.) Rendall Munroe
6. (RE.) Ricky Burns
7. (6.) Matthew Macklin
8. (9.) John Murray
9. (7.) Ryan Rhodes
10. (12.) Kell Brook

11. (10.) Matthew Hatton
12. (21.) Brian Magee (Irish)
13. (11.) Kevin Mitchell
14. (13.) Junior Witter
15. (14.) Jamie McDonnell
16. (15.) Martin Lindsay (Irish)
17. (16.) Paul McCloskey (Irish)
18. (17.) Darren Barker
19. (22.) Jason Booth
20. (24.) Andy Lee (Irish)

21. (NE.) Dereck Chisora
22. (19.) Audley Harrison
23. (NE.) Stephen Smith
24. (20.) Nicky Cook
25. (23.) Ajose Olusegun
26. (25.) Ola Afolabi
27 (18.) Enzo Maccarinelli
28. (26.) John Duddy (Irish)
29. (27.) Craig Watson
30. (28.) John Simpson

Out - (3.) Ricky Hatton (Retired)
Out - (29.) Sam Sexton
Out - (30.) Lee Haskins

[Horse]

Any comments, criticisms or P4P lists are very welcome.

[bluenoseshf]

I would have Ricky Burns at 4 after his defeat of one of the best fighters in his division for a world title.

Junior Witter has not fought in over a year and hasnt won in even longer so shouldnt be on the list at all.

I would have Magee above Hatton and Brook.

I would have McCloskey a bit higher.

Andy Lee hasnt beat anyone of note so shouldnt be on the list.

[Neri]

I would have John Murray swapping places with Macklin.

Matthew Hatton lower, Magee should be above him. Witter much lower due to inactivity.

Chisora, McCloskey and Jason Booth all higher just outside the top 10 maybe.

All imo.

[mickey1975]

Ricky Burns has just beaten Ring magazine's no 2 Super-Featherweight.Nothing Munroe or Cleverley have done compares to that.

[Deno1986]

McCloskey should be above Witter and Mitchell. The list has a much better shape about it now.

[JDC]

I'd have Burns around #10. I can understand the high ranking due to the title.

I didn't rate Martinez when he fought Cook. He hits very hard and can take alot of punishment, but he's technically awful. He was always there for the taking if the big hits could be avoided. This fight showed us Martinez's level more than Burns's imo. Great win for Burns but I don't consider either of them to be in the ''World Class'' category.

I hope Burns can continue to improve as he isn't too far off the top but I fear his reign may be short lived (unless that Polish guy is made mandatory and he takes a similar level voluntary). He may be able to make some inroads into the division, and justify a high ranking, as it isn't very strong right now. I expect there will be a few moving up from FW soon who would be a bridge too far for Burns.

[JDC]

The list has a much better shape about it now.

I agree. Just wish Afolabi would hurry up and have a fight. Everything else is very tidy. Its coming together horse

[stujones]

Cleverly is too high at 4. I think his EBU win should have been more about consolodating his top ten ranking.

[robpalmer135]

Why is Nicky Cook still ranked?

[Horse]

I would have Ricky Burns at 4 after his defeat of one of the best fighters in his division for a world title.

Burns win against Martinez was very good. However, he had not been fighting good opposition leading up to that fight, and he was struggling against domestic level opposition before that. I didn't think one good win was enough to put him above all of the other fighters with World class wins.

If he defends against a good fighter in December then he has a good chance of going higher.

Junior Witter has not fought in over a year and hasnt won in even longer so shouldnt be on the list at all.

Witter plans on making a comeback, so I will leave him in the rankings for now.

I would have Magee above Hatton and Brook.

I would have McCloskey a bit higher.

Andy Lee hasnt beat anyone of note so shouldnt be on the list.

Magee climbed 9 places after beating Aramyan, which I thought was generous considering Aramyan isn't the best opponent. Hatton had just beaten a better fighter in his last fight so I thought he should stay above Magee for now.

McCloskey fights Morrison this month. He will climb a few places if he wins that fight.

Lee has beaten a few domestic level fighters and has a good win over Belghecham who is a solid European level contender.

[Horse]

I would have John Murray swapping places with Macklin.

I think Macklin has the better record at the moment. Murray has probably done slightly more over the last year though, so he may well overtake Macklin after his next fight.

Matthew Hatton lower, Magee should be above him. Witter much lower due to inactivity.

I think Hatton's recent record is better than Magee's.

Witter will move down the list, but if I try to move him down too quickly then the list will become unbalanced.

Chisora, McCloskey and Jason Booth all higher just outside the top 10 maybe.

All imo.

Chisora's record is not good enough for him to be so high in my opinion, he only has two decent wins (Williams and Sexton).

If McCloskey beats Morrison this month then he will most likely be just about where you say he should be.

Booth lost his last fight, so I didn't think he should move too high up the list based on a loss. When he gets back to winning ways then he will climb higher.

[bluenoseshf]

Oh just noticed the biggest mistake of all, How the hell is Amir Khan above Carl Froch? Even taking into account the loss to Kessler, his wins over Pascal, Taylor and Dirrell are better than any win Khan has.

Also if Ricky Burns win over Martinez is better than any win Khan has. So Khan can be that high after a number of wins against poor opposition surely Burns should be higher after one big win.

[Horse]

Ricky Burns has just beaten Ring magazine's no 2 Super-Featherweight.Nothing Munroe or Cleverley have done compares to that.

Burns' win was good, but his only opponent in the previous 12 months before that fight was Al Hamidi.

Martinez seemed like a limited fighter, and I didn't think a single win over him was enough to put him above Cleverly and Munroe who had been gaining a good number of solid recent wins.

[JDC]

http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... 4#p2290614

[Horse]

McCloskey should be above Witter and Mitchell.

A win over Morrison should be enough to put him above those fighters.

The list has a much better shape about it now.

Thank you.

[Horse]

I'd have Burns around #10. I can understand the high ranking due to the title.

I didn't rate Martinez when he fought Cook. He hits very hard and can take alot of punishment, but he's technically awful. He was always there for the taking if the big hits could be avoided. This fight showed us Martinez's level more than Burns's imo. Great win for Burns but I don't consider either of them to be in the ''World Class'' category.

I hope Burns can continue to improve as he isn't too far off the top but I fear his reign may be short lived (unless that Polish guy is made mandatory and he takes a similar level voluntary). He may be able to make some inroads into the division, and justify a high ranking, as it isn't very strong right now. I expect there will be a few moving up from FW soon who would be a bridge too far for Burns.

I wasn't sure where to put Burns after his win over Martinez. It was a win over a WBO champion and a fighter ranked at No. 2 by the Ring magazine, but he did seem rather limited and the type of fighter I could imagine quite a few of the British top 30 P4P beating.

I think I got the balance just about right for Burns re-entry position, but I wouldn't argue too much with people putting him anywhere from 4 to 10.

[Horse]

The list has a much better shape about it now.

I agree. Just wish Afolabi would hurry up and have a fight. Everything else is very tidy. Its coming together horse

[brian13]

I would have Burns below Matthew Macklin, John Murray and Ryan Rhodes.

[Horse]

Cleverly is too high at 4. I think his EBU win should have been more about consolodating his top ten ranking.

How much lower do you think he should be?

Murat was a top 15 ranked fighter in the independent World rankings. Which other fighters in the rankings have a win on that level in the last 12 months, or at all?

[crusader]

Oh just noticed the biggest mistake of all, How the hell is Amir Khan above Carl Froch? Even taking into account the loss to Kessler, his wins over Pascal, Taylor and Dirrell are better than any win Khan has.

Also if Ricky Burns win over Martinez is better than any win Khan has. So Khan can be that high after a number of wins against poor opposition surely Burns should be higher after one big win.

Martinez is not better than Malignaggi and Kotelnik. He best win was over Cook, in a fight he was clearly losing. Kotelnik beat Maidana and the case can be made he beat Alexander. Malignaggi pushed a prime Cotto very close, twice beat N'dou, and clearly outpointed Juan Diaz.

[Horse]

Why is Nicky Cook still ranked?

Because he has not retired.

Cook will fall out of the rankings in the next few months if he doesn't fight again, so there is no reason to take him out now.

[Horse]

Oh just noticed the biggest mistake of all, How the hell is Amir Khan above Carl Froch? Even taking into account the loss to Kessler, his wins over Pascal, Taylor and Dirrell are better than any win Khan has.

Froch does have the better overall record, but Khan has done more over the last year so he managed to sneak ahead. If Froch beats Abraham in November then he will go ahead of Khan and quite possibly take the top spot as well.

Also if Ricky Burns win over Martinez is better than any win Khan has. So Khan can be that high after a number of wins against poor opposition surely Burns should be higher after one big win.

Martinez is not better than Malignaggi and Kotelnik. He best win was over Cook, in a fight he was clearly losing. Kotelnik beat Maidana and the case can be made he beat Alexander. Malignaggi pushed a prime Cotto very close, twice beat N'dou, and clearly outpointed Juan Diaz.

Like crusader suggested: Burns win over Martinez is not better than Khan's wins over Malignaggi or Kotelnik in a lot of people's opinions.

[stujones]

Cleverly is too high at 4. I think his EBU win should have been more about consolodating his top ten ranking.

How much lower do you think he should be?

Murat was a top 15 ranked fighter in the independent World rankings. Which other fighters in the rankings have a win on that level in the last 12 months, or at all?

Which independent world rankings were these.

I'd have Munroe (actually won the EBU title against a champion and beaten men ranked in the top ten independently) and Burns certainly ahead of him (beat the #1 or #2 ranked Super Feather). I also think Rhodes could be moved ahead of him (holds a win over a guy ranked in the top ten independently). Although I would keep him above Macklin, Murray and Brook.

So 6 or 7.

[Dioufy]

Sexy once again, Horse, mate.