Hill Runs

[notonurnelly]

Hi All,

I'm a newbie on this forum so please be nice, hopefully I'm not posting in the wrong part of the forum. I'm a fan of the british boxing scene and a very keen runner entering fell/mountain and road races on a regular basis.

I know that running/sprint training are an important part of a boxers workout and was wondering if boxers every enter races as part of their training. I know that some of the Manchester based fighters often do their hill training around the derbyshire peak district. I'd just be interested to know how fully fit boxer would compare time wise to runners. I would imagine over short distances the lighter weight boxers could possibly be up there with the elite runners.

Also if any boxers are interested in training runs around Lancashire i'd be happy to take them over some of my favourite routes.

Cheers
Jamie

[Matt W]

Hi All,

I'm a newbie on this forum so please be nice, hopefully I'm not posting in the wrong part of the forum. I'm a fan of the british boxing scene and a very keen runner entering fell/mountain and road races on a regular basis.

I know that running/sprint training are an important part of a boxers workout and was wondering if boxers every enter races as part of their training. I know that some of the Manchester based fighters often do their hill training around the derbyshire peak district. I'd just be interested to know how fully fit boxer would compare time wise to runners. I would imagine over short distances the lighter weight boxers could possibly be up there with the elite runners.
Also if any boxers are interested in training runs around Lancashire i'd be happy to take them over some of my favourite routes.

Cheers
Jamie

No chance. To be an elite runner you have to train to be an elite runner which boxers, rightly, don't. Some would possibly have the potential to be good runners - I believe that Larry / War Machine was a very good sprinter - but just to be a decent club runner requires 6 days a week of specific training all year round.

[Matt W]

Oh, and welcome to the forum :)

[SAPFO]

As I live in an urban area, there are not many decent hills, although I do road run. I was wondering if treadmill hills are actually any good as a substitute?

[SAPFO]

As I live in an urban area, there are not many decent hills, although I do road run. I was wondering if treadmill hills are actually any good as a substitute?

Nothing substitutes for the real thing, Carl. You are almost always better off running hard on the roads/cross country than spending time on treadmills. Whilst they do have their benefits, treadmills are not an accurate guage of your running ability.

Are you still thinking of joining the forces? If so, your best bet is to put in three quality circuit training sessions per week and run three times per week (at least) to work on your mile and a half time. Look what the minimum time for your preferred capbadge is and then turn up to your selection date being capable of running well inside it. Don't be one of the blokes who is borderline. They are minimum standards and you should find them very eay indeed if you are properly prepared. If you want to make your basic training a relative doddle, get your 10K (6 miles (ish)) time improved as well. Whilst you won't do all that many long runs per se, the added endurance makes forced marches (which you will do quite a lot of) fairly easy.

I am at a crossroads in my life at the moment MachoMan09. It has been on hold for a number of reasons. One of those is due to the uncertainty surrounding the Army, and me getting back to fitness after a dose of plantar fasciitis & shin splints. Last year my 1.5 time was 10.30s at best, but then I am 6 2" & 15.11st. For the last 6 months I have been training in an MMA gym to break the boredom of training alone, and also doing a lot of boxing. This is another thing that has sidetracked me, as I am really enjoying it, and I hope to fight white collar in Dec. Being 28, I also have young family, with a few kids. Do I give up my new hobby, which is something I have always wanted to do. Or do I join the forces, (Navy was also being considered, but now even they are making cuts), which can possibly be a great career, but there is a lot of uncertainty surround it at the moment. Among other things, at the moment I am re-educating myself due to underachieving at school. This will allow me to go for possibly a more secure military trade, or open up doors in civvy street.

I managed my first road run in months the other day. 6.78 miles, 1:07:00s. Average a 6mph plod. Few slight hills/bridges, it felt great, unlike the treadmill.

[Counter-puncher]

As I live in an urban area, there are not many decent hills, although I do road run. I was wondering if treadmill hills are actually any good as a substitute?

you don't need a huge hill

i used to do sprints up something you could only call a bank, at the local park. maybe 20 metres up. 50 of those buggers you'll be feeling it

[SAPFO]

They were crap. Were talking E's for the core subjects. I was in all the top groups, but fcuked about to fit in, my fault, and the only good thing to come out of that was seeing my 2 younger brothers learn from my mistakes. I am in the process of re-doing my Numeracy & Literacy. I am level 2 standard, which is equivalent to an A-C GCSE. I scored 65 on the BARB last year, which opened up all available for my level. If only I had a few qualifications, it would of opened up a whole load more. The trade I original chose after some research was Comm Sys Op, but that was maybe the best career choice available to me at that time. With a few GCSE equivalent qualifications, I will have more options. At this stage of my life, it has to be a career orientated choice that will lead on to a civvy career, as there is no way I would be keeping up with the kids in the infantry in a few years time.

[Deserter]

They were crap. Were talking E's for the core subjects. I was in all the top groups, but fcuked about to fit in, my fault, and the only good thing to come out of that was seeing my 2 younger brothers learn from my mistakes. I am in the process of re-doing my Numeracy & Literacy. I am level 2 standard, which is equivalent to an A-C GCSE. I scored 65 on the BARB last year, which opened up all available for my level. If only I had a few qualifications, it would of opened up a whole load more. The trade I original chose after some research was Comm Sys Op, but that was maybe the best career choice available to me at that time. With a few GCSE equivalent qualifications, I will have more options. At this stage of my life, it has to be a career orientated choice that will lead on to a civvy career, as there is no way I would be keeping up with the kids in the infantry in a few years time.

Sounds like you're trying to do the right thing fella and you're still young in relative terms so don't get despondent. Wish you the very best of luck.

[SAPFO]

At this stage of my life, it has to be a career orientated choice that will lead on to a civvy career, as there is no way I would be keeping up with the kids in the infantry in a few years time.

That is 100% true although at 28/29, if you join up, you should really consider pushing out a full length career and stay in whichever branch of the forces you join for as long as they will have you.

I will do, my next move is the one that takes me through life, all being well.

[/quote]Sounds like you're trying to do the right thing fella and you're still young in relative terms so don't get despondent. Wish you the very best of luck.[/quote]

Cheers. After a great upbringing, I had a bad start to 'adult' life, all was defiantly my fault though. I had to clear 2k worth of court fines from my teen years before the AFCO would even consider me. Paid them off, and have been out of trouble for 8 years. It has been a long road this, and I will get there in the end.

[John1980]

Apart from training in thai l'm currently running about 50km a week, doing each 10K sub - 50mins.

However as far is hill training goes in the gym we whack the treadmill up to 12 miles an hour on the steepest incline and start it on a continous cycle. The set involves jumping onto the machine at pace running for 45 secs jumping off 10 burpees and then through to the ring for 3 mins pads. Your allowed a 10 sec break before pads and your aim is 10 reps.

I find this harder than hill sprints as you can lay off on the hills where as your going to have a sore face if you stop on the treadmill. A few lads in there can do sub 35 min 10k's but everyone is different.

[Old bones Ian]

Any advice on a calf strain would be handy, i pulled my calf muscle about 5 months ago , and started jogging again about a month ago, felt fine the first few times, then it went again. I can't run at all now , i even went to hurry up across a road on the weekend and it went.

Any help would be handy

[Deserter]

Any advice on a calf strain would be handy, i pulled my calf muscle about 5 months ago , and started jogging again about a month ago, felt fine the first few times, then it went again. I can't run at all now , i even went to hurry up across a road on the weekend and it went.

Any help would be handy

I had it earlier this year - complete nightmare. What changed things for me was I bought 'The Stick' and I self-massage my calves with this daily now. At first I couldn't believe how painful it was, but it's fine now - made me realise how badly knotted my calf muscles had been and it was the perfect device to 'iron them out' and so solve the root cause of the problem rather than just resting. It's only about 25 quid and you can order it on the net - probably the best investment I've made in recent years as I've had zero problems since then.

[Old bones Ian]

Any advice on a calf strain would be handy, i pulled my calf muscle about 5 months ago , and started jogging again about a month ago, felt fine the first few times, then it went again. I can't run at all now , i even went to hurry up across a road on the weekend and it went.

Any help would be handy

I had it earlier this year - complete nightmare. What changed things for me was I bought 'The Stick' and I self-massage my calves with this daily now. At first I couldn't believe how painful it was, but it's fine now - made me realise how badly knotted my calf muscles had been and it was the perfect device to 'iron them out' and so solve the root cause of the problem rather than just resting. It's only about 25 quid and you can order it on the net - probably the best investment I've made in recent years as I've had zero problems since then.

Cheers i'll have a look at that, i do alot of cycling, which i can still do as it doesn't over stretch my calfs, but i was wondering if that has done something to them .

[SAPFO]

This similar to foam rollers? My calf always feel tight. I may give stick this a go. Does the middle turn/roll?

[Deserter]

Any advice on a calf strain would be handy, i pulled my calf muscle about 5 months ago , and started jogging again about a month ago, felt fine the first few times, then it went again. I can't run at all now , i even went to hurry up across a road on the weekend and it went.

Any help would be handy

I had it earlier this year - complete nightmare. What changed things for me was I bought 'The Stick' and I self-massage my calves with this daily now. At first I couldn't believe how painful it was, but it's fine now - made me realise how badly knotted my calf muscles had been and it was the perfect device to 'iron them out' and so solve the root cause of the problem rather than just resting. It's only about 25 quid and you can order it on the net - probably the best investment I've made in recent years as I've had zero problems since then.

Cheers i'll have a look at that, i do alot of cycling, which i can still do as it doesn't over stretch my calfs, but i was wondering if that has done something to them .

This may help and the article has a link to The Stick - http://www.thestick.net/Articles/Calf_% ... Attack.htm

[Deserter]

This similar to foam rollers? My calf always feel tight. I may give stick this a go. Does the middle turn/roll?

That's the one fella - http://www.thestick.com/
There's a separate site for ordering from the UK

[Bricks]

The great thing about treadmills is you can pretty much run on them at least once a day everyday and not get things like shin splints and sore ankles etc.

Ive always been a road runner but as time has gone on it greatly takes it toll. I get shin splints quickly and it isnt possible to always pound teh ground hard and sprint every day at the end like you can on a treadmill.

call me in the minority for mostly having run on roads

if you can find some flat well maintained grassy routes they are always preferable to roads which will wreck your knees down the line, and which were one of the biggest reasons for boxers in the early mid 1980's always coming to the end of the line in their very early 30's back in those days treadmills were rare and road running could finish your legs quick time after a period of time.


So in a nutshell treadmills are great but grass and grassy hills are better. Try and avoid concrete roads, perhaps limit it to once on concrete every 2 weeks

[notonurnelly]

Some good replies thanks for that guys.

As for calf strains, I not too sure. People have mentioned the stick, I struggle with knee tracking problems so I use a foam roller mosts days to loosen up the IT band. The roller can be used on calfs but I always have trouble working the calves on it, Its a balance thing.

A simple device I have for stretching my calf is a wooden triangular wedge (like a piece of cheese). This gives the foot an incline with the toes pointing skywards. I then lean forward and get a good stretch on the calves.

Core stability classes have helped to get my knee tracking correctly and keep the muscle imbalances inline, seems it was coming off my glutes(arse) and ankles.

Interesting what the chap said about Michael Jenning's and Rivi Pike thats close to my stomping ground at Darwen tower, I sometimes have a long run over to Winter hill on the weekend
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Happy running eh, thanks for the replies. I did try boxing training for a few months but kept getting hit.

Cheers
Jamie

[Scrap]

Treadmills dont work abductors, They cause bad biomechanics and badProreceptive inbalance.

[hurlock]

hill run's suck :!:

i got told hill run's are the best, so i done one,yes one & running down it i tore tendons in both my calf muscles & had to crawl back home

didnt pass one fukin pay phone :!:

[SAPFO]

hill run's suck :!:

i got told hill run's are the best, so i done one,yes one & running down it i tore tendons in both my calf muscles & had to crawl back home

didnt pass one fukin pay phone :!:

I found that quite funny