Classic American West Coast Boxing

[kikibalt]

What is "skint"??

[kikibalt]

My big labrador, Finchie, is not well. I took him to the vet on Tuesday, who diagnosed a stomach infection. He is on penicillin and I was hoping to see some improvement by now but his eyes look sickly and he is just lying around, with no alertness.

Bennie, sorry to hear about Finchie not doing well, I hope he comes around and that he will be with you many more years....

[bennie]

[bennie]

My big labrador, Finchie, is not well. I took him to the vet on Tuesday, who diagnosed a stomach infection. He is on penicillin and I was hoping to see some improvement by now but his eyes look sickly and he is just lying around, with no alertness.

Bennie, sorry to hear about Finchie not doing well, I hope he comes around and that he will be with you many more years....

Thanks, Frankie. I'll take him back to the vets if he is not livelier by Monday.

[bennie]

What is "skint"??

Broke.

[kikibalt]

What is "skint"??

Broke.

Like most of us...

[kikibalt]

Beautiful dog, Bennie...I know you will take care of him....

[Rick Farris]

Republicans block US health aid for 9/11 workers

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/10/nyreg ... .html?_r=1

I spent the last nite hours & today hours watching the vote on this on C-Span. It is a shame what politics does to people in need.
Katrina, Agent Orange are just a few other disgraces that come to mind.

This is a reprint of an Email we got today from our attys representing 10,000 of us.
New York, New York December 9, 2010 For Immediate Release: The Attorneys representing more than ten thousand men and women, including first responders who became ill after working at the World Trade Center site following the collapse of the Twin Towers on 9/11 say they are "saddened and appalled" by the fact that Senate Republicans have rejected a procedural move by Democrats to end debate on the James Zadroga 9/11 health bill and bring it to an up-or-down vote before the end of the session.

"These men and women did not hesitate for a second when their country called them to the site of a disaster, placing their health, their ability to earn a living and indeed, their very lives on the line," said Paul Napoli, Senior Partner of Worby Groner Edelman & Napoli Bern, LLP. Napoli continued, saying "this week we have seen the death of the thirtieth New York Police officer from Ground Zero toxic exposure injuries. How many more of these brave heroes have to die before the Republicans in the Senate decide providing for them is a worthwhile expenditure? No one should be playing politics when the stakes for our first responders, the very best of us all, are so high"

I just want to add that a total of 872 workers total (FF's,PD, heavy machine operators,vols.body searchers,Emerg. Medical workers,etc etc) have died to date from 9-11 exposures. Many more have cancers and lung disease. Over 20 lung transplants have taken place to date. 5 more people are in hospice care as we speak. 90 % are aged 30-50.

Through the past couple of months, your posts about 9-11 and support with kind words have warmed my heart more than any bill that Congress can write. Thank You.

The Republican vote won't put an end to this issue. Wrong is just wrong.

[kikibalt]

I'm of to have manudo con pata

[Rick Farris]

He probably remembered what Earnie Shavers did to him, so he let someone else take the shot.

What did Earnie Shavers do to him?

I believe Shavers was the original choice for Clubber Lang in Rocky III, but did not know how to pull his punches, so Stallone, liking realism but not too much realism when it was his body on the line, opted for an actor.

Scartissue

Frank Stallone . . .

Stallone has a brother, Frank. Frank is a musician and had done a little amateur boxing in Florida. A good guy.
In 1980, there was an actor's strike in Hollywood and the industry went dead for four months. I was bored and began working out at an amateur gym not far from my house. The owner of the gym was named Ray Nataro, a self-centered boxing nobody who was friends with Stallone and claims to have taught the actor how to box? Ray was part of the "Rocky" production and had posters and photos of Stallone thruout the gym.

When Nataro saw me hit the heavy bag he figured out that I might have some boxing experience and approached me.
"Hey kid, do you know who I am?" I answered, "You own the gym, right?"
The man laughed, "I'm the guy who taught Rocky how to fight" he announced proudly.
I played dumb, "You taught Rocky Marciano how to fight? "
"No, no, no . . . I taught Sly Stallone how to box so he could play Rocky Balboa", the proud gym owner boasted.
"Really, you must be one helluva trainer, Rocky upset Apollo Creed". At this point Notaro got the message I was playing him.
He then asked, "Have you ever thought about fighting for money? I have connections, you look like you have some talent, maybe I can talk to Sly about you. Sly wants to build a stable of boxers, and one of them is Lee Canalino".

Notaro had no clue I had already boxed pro, and had met the sorry Lee Canalito when I worked with "Sly" on Paradise Alley.
I told Notaro that I had retired from a modest pro career a few years earlier, and that I had no interest in boxing in the future, aside from getting in shape.

About this time Frank Stallone enters the building. He's a nice guy, but kinda cocky. When Stallone walks in, Notaro starts to smile from ear-to-ear, "Hey, you want to meet Sly's brother, Frank?". I guess Notaro thought meeting the brother of an actor would impress me. Notaro goes to Frank Stallone, they exchange a few words, and then both walk toward me. We are introduced and Ray tells Frank, "This kid has promise" (I was 28 at the time). Stallone says, "Oh yeah, well maybe we can box a few rounds? If you do alright I'll talk to my brother about managing you."

I was so pissed off at these arrogant phonies I accepted Frank's offer to box (with a smile on my face). He was about 160-170 pounds, I guess.
Stallone assures me he will "take it Easy on me" and I tell him to just do whatever he wants.
Frank answers the bell by moving around, flicking a jab out, acting like he's going to give me a break.
I immediatly slip inside and land a solid hook to the liver. Stallone folds and goes to one knee.
He looks up with a sick look on his face and nods, gasping "good shot". He got to his feet and then got on his bicycle, running backwards for the remainder of the round. When Notaro yelled "time", ending the round, Stallone shook his head and complained of indigestion having "just finished lunch". He was done for the day.

I went back to hitting the heavy bag, finished my workout, and left. I never returned.
Frank Stallone wasn't a bad guy. He occasionally attends boxing events, and we have talked on a couple of occasions since.
Notaro didn't realize he was setting up his friend for an ass-whipping, and Frank Stallone had no clue I had more involvement in both boxing and the film industry than he did.

Classic jerk-offs!

[THEHAMMER321]

Rick, hollywood and Vegas have a lot in common, both for attracting phonies, they got more guys around here flashing there bankroll playing the role of some important person, when infact the bankroll they are flashing is some inheritance money they got from a family member,and rest assured that money won't last very long, I learned a long time ago that people with ''real'' money, for the most part don't flash it,as a matter of fact the people with money from my experience don't like to come off with a quarter, as the saying goes, they didn't get rich by giving it away.

[THEHAMMER321]

Frank how was the menudo ? myself I would prefer those tamales you guys get at Juanito's.

[Counter-puncher]

About this time Frank Stallone enters the building. He's a nice guy, but kinda cocky. When Stallone walks in, Notaro starts to smile from ear-to-ear, "Hey, you want to meet Sly's brother, Frank?". I guess Notaro thought meeting the brother of an actor would impress me. Notaro goes to Frank Stallone, they exchange a few words, and then both walk toward me. We are introduced and Ray tells Frank, "This kid has promise" (I was 28 at the time). Stallone says, "Oh yeah, well maybe we can box a few rounds? If you do alright I'll talk to my brother about managing you."

I was so pissed off at these arrogant phonies I accepted Frank's offer to box (with a smile on my face). He was about 160-170 pounds, I guess.
Stallone assures me he will "take it Easy on me" and I tell him to just do whatever he wants.
Frank answers the bell by moving around, flicking a jab out, acting like he's going to give me a break.
I immediatly slip inside and land a solid hook to the liver. Stallone folds and goes to one knee.
He looks up with a sick look on his face and nods, gasping "good shot". He got to his feet and then got on his bicycle, running backwards for the remainder of the round. When Notaro yelled "time", ending the round, Stallone shook his head and complained of indigestion having "just finished lunch". He was done for the day.

I went back to hitting the heavy bag, finished my workout, and left. I never returned.
Frank Stallone wasn't a bad guy. He occasionally attends boxing events, and we have talked on a couple of occasions since.
Notaro didn't realize he was setting up his friend for an ass-whipping, and Frank Stallone had no clue I had more involvement in both boxing and the film industry than he did.

Classic jerk-offs!

and a classic story, thanks

[raylawpc]

What did Earnie Shavers do to him?

I believe Shavers was the original choice for Clubber Lang in Rocky III, but did not know how to pull his punches, so Stallone, liking realism but not too much realism when it was his body on the line, opted for an actor.

Scartissue

Frank Stallone . . .

Stallone has a brother, Frank. Frank is a musician and had done a little amateur boxing in Florida. A good guy.
In 1980, there was an actor's strike in Hollywood and the industry went dead for four months. I was bored and began working out at an amateur gym not far from my house. The owner of the gym was named Ray Nataro, a self-centered boxing nobody who was friends with Stallone and claims to have taught the actor how to box? Ray was part of the "Rocky" production and had posters and photos of Stallone thruout the gym.

When Nataro saw me hit the heavy bag he figured out that I might have some boxing experience and approached me.
"Hey kid, do you know who I am?" I answered, "You own the gym, right?"
The man laughed, "I'm the guy who taught Rocky how to fight" he announced proudly.
I played dumb, "You taught Rocky Marciano how to fight? "
"No, no, no . . . I taught Sly Stallone how to box so he could play Rocky Balboa", the proud gym owner boasted.
"Really, you must be one helluva trainer, Rocky upset Apollo Creed". At this point Notaro got the message I was playing him.
He then asked, "Have you ever thought about fighting for money? I have connections, you look like you have some talent, maybe I can talk to Sly about you. Sly wants to build a stable of boxers, and one of them is Lee Canalino".

Notaro had no clue I had already boxed pro, and had met the sorry Lee Canalito when I worked with "Sly" on Paradise Alley.
I told Notaro that I had retired from a modest pro career a few years earlier, and that I had no interest in boxing in the future, aside from getting in shape.

About this time Frank Stallone enters the building. He's a nice guy, but kinda cocky. When Stallone walks in, Notaro starts to smile from ear-to-ear, "Hey, you want to meet Sly's brother, Frank?". I guess Notaro thought meeting the brother of an actor would impress me. Notaro goes to Frank Stallone, they exchange a few words, and then both walk toward me. We are introduced and Ray tells Frank, "This kid has promise" (I was 28 at the time). Stallone says, "Oh yeah, well maybe we can box a few rounds? If you do alright I'll talk to my brother about managing you."

I was so pissed off at these arrogant phonies I accepted Frank's offer to box (with a smile on my face). He was about 160-170 pounds, I guess.
Stallone assures me he will "take it Easy on me" and I tell him to just do whatever he wants.
Frank answers the bell by moving around, flicking a jab out, acting like he's going to give me a break.
I immediatly slip inside and land a solid hook to the liver. Stallone folds and goes to one knee.
He looks up with a sick look on his face and nods, gasping "good shot". He got to his feet and then got on his bicycle, running backwards for the remainder of the round. When Notaro yelled "time", ending the round, Stallone shook his head and complained of indigestion having "just finished lunch". He was done for the day.

I went back to hitting the heavy bag, finished my workout, and left. I never returned.
Frank Stallone wasn't a bad guy. He occasionally attends boxing events, and we have talked on a couple of occasions since.
Notaro didn't realize he was setting up his friend for an ass-whipping, and Frank Stallone had no clue I had more involvement in both boxing and the film industry than he did.

Classic jerk-offs!

Frank Stallone seems like a pretty good guy. I've never met him personally, but we exchanged e-mails a number of years ago. He is a big fan of the old lightweight champion Ad Wolgast. Somehow, he heard of my interest in Jim Jeffries, and we exchanged some e-mail about early 20th century boxing. He has an extensive collection of Wolgast memorabilia, including - believe it or not - Wolgast's billfold. He seems to have a genuine love for the sport and a real thirst for knowledge about boxing.

One story I heard says a lot about him, I think. He was supposedly at some kind of boxing event, and a group of people had gathered around him as he regaled them with comments about the great Cuban fighters of the past. After a few minutes of this, one of his listeners piped up and said, "I haven't heard you say anything about Jose Legra." Stallone's face went blank, and it was clear he'd never heard of Legra. But instead of trying to cover up his lack of knowledge in some way, he responded, "I've never heard of him. Would you mind telling us about him?" Then he listened intently to what the man had to say, asked him a few appropriate questions, and thanked him for sharing the information. In my experience, most blowhards wouldn't do that.

It probably isn't easy being Sylvester Stallone's brother.

[THEHAMMER321]

Good morning Tom and thanks for the tip about the UNLV library.

[raylawpc]

Good morning Tom and thanks for the tip about the UNLV library.

You're welcome. Like almost everything else in boxing, I learned the hard way.

[kikibalt]

What did Earnie Shavers do to him?

I believe Shavers was the original choice for Clubber Lang in Rocky III, but did not know how to pull his punches, so Stallone, liking realism but not too much realism when it was his body on the line, opted for an actor.

Scartissue

Frank Stallone . . .

Stallone has a brother, Frank. Frank is a musician and had done a little amateur boxing in Florida. A good guy.
In 1980, there was an actor's strike in Hollywood and the industry went dead for four months. I was bored and began working out at an amateur gym not far from my house. The owner of the gym was named Ray Nataro, a self-centered boxing nobody who was friends with Stallone and claims to have taught the actor how to box? Ray was part of the "Rocky" production and had posters and photos of Stallone thruout the gym.

When Nataro saw me hit the heavy bag he figured out that I might have some boxing experience and approached me.
"Hey kid, do you know who I am?" I answered, "You own the gym, right?"
The man laughed, "I'm the guy who taught Rocky how to fight" he announced proudly.
I played dumb, "You taught Rocky Marciano how to fight? "
"No, no, no . . . I taught Sly Stallone how to box so he could play Rocky Balboa", the proud gym owner boasted.
"Really, you must be one helluva trainer, Rocky upset Apollo Creed". At this point Notaro got the message I was playing him.
He then asked, "Have you ever thought about fighting for money? I have connections, you look like you have some talent, maybe I can talk to Sly about you. Sly wants to build a stable of boxers, and one of them is Lee Canalino".

Notaro had no clue I had already boxed pro, and had met the sorry Lee Canalito when I worked with "Sly" on Paradise Alley.
I told Notaro that I had retired from a modest pro career a few years earlier, and that I had no interest in boxing in the future, aside from getting in shape.

About this time Frank Stallone enters the building. He's a nice guy, but kinda cocky. When Stallone walks in, Notaro starts to smile from ear-to-ear, "Hey, you want to meet Sly's brother, Frank?". I guess Notaro thought meeting the brother of an actor would impress me. Notaro goes to Frank Stallone, they exchange a few words, and then both walk toward me. We are introduced and Ray tells Frank, "This kid has promise" (I was 28 at the time). Stallone says, "Oh yeah, well maybe we can box a few rounds? If you do alright I'll talk to my brother about managing you."

I was so pissed off at these arrogant phonies I accepted Frank's offer to box (with a smile on my face). He was about 160-170 pounds, I guess.
Stallone assures me he will "take it Easy on me" and I tell him to just do whatever he wants.
Frank answers the bell by moving around, flicking a jab out, acting like he's going to give me a break.
I immediatly slip inside and land a solid hook to the liver. Stallone folds and goes to one knee.
He looks up with a sick look on his face and nods, gasping "good shot". He got to his feet and then got on his bicycle, running backwards for the remainder of the round. When Notaro yelled "time", ending the round, Stallone shook his head and complained of indigestion having "just finished lunch". He was done for the day.

I went back to hitting the heavy bag, finished my workout, and left. I never returned.
Frank Stallone wasn't a bad guy. He occasionally attends boxing events, and we have talked on a couple of occasions since.
Notaro didn't realize he was setting up his friend for an ass-whipping, and Frank Stallone had no clue I had more involvement in both boxing and the film industry than he did.

Classic jerk-offs!

[kikibalt]

Frank how was the menudo ? myself I would prefer those tamales you guys get at Juanito's.

[kikibalt]

Republicans block US health aid for 9/11 workers

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/10/nyreg ... .html?_r=1

I spent the last nite hours & today hours watching the vote on this on C-Span. It is a shame what politics does to people in need.
Katrina, Agent Orange are just a few other disgraces that come to mind.

This is a reprint of an Email we got today from our attys representing 10,000 of us.
New York, New York December 9, 2010 For Immediate Release: The Attorneys representing more than ten thousand men and women, including first responders who became ill after working at the World Trade Center site following the collapse of the Twin Towers on 9/11 say they are "saddened and appalled" by the fact that Senate Republicans have rejected a procedural move by Democrats to end debate on the James Zadroga 9/11 health bill and bring it to an up-or-down vote before the end of the session.

"These men and women did not hesitate for a second when their country called them to the site of a disaster, placing their health, their ability to earn a living and indeed, their very lives on the line," said Paul Napoli, Senior Partner of Worby Groner Edelman & Napoli Bern, LLP. Napoli continued, saying "this week we have seen the death of the thirtieth New York Police officer from Ground Zero toxic exposure injuries. How many more of these brave heroes have to die before the Republicans in the Senate decide providing for them is a worthwhile expenditure? No one should be playing politics when the stakes for our first responders, the very best of us all, are so high"

I just want to add that a total of 872 workers total (FF's,PD, heavy machine operators,vols.body searchers,Emerg. Medical workers,etc etc) have died to date from 9-11 exposures. Many more have cancers and lung disease. Over 20 lung transplants have taken place to date. 5 more people are in hospice care as we speak. 90 % are aged 30-50.

Through the past couple of months, your posts about 9-11 and support with kind words have warmed my heart more than any bill that Congress can write. Thank You.

The Republican vote won't put an end to this issue. Wrong is just wrong.

At any rate, they are consistent in how they goven: Shown no mercy to people in need....

[CNorkusJr]

Your absolutely right Frank. Along with age comes some what wisdom.
Back when I first worked in the firehouse, about 1986, we had several members who had about 40 years on the job at that time. Of course, they parted their wisdom on how to get the better of searching for people during large scale building fires, but they also related stories on how the City of New York played politics with their employees and health.

One guy related a story that has stayed with me for years and aptly applies to our govt today (whether local or National) and in the future.
There was a most treacherous fire in NYC that occured on Feb 27,1975.
The infamous" New York telephone Co Fire".
A dangerous type of cable wrapping used- PVC.
200 Firefighters injured. Dozens died from cancerous lungs and tumors after this fire all within 5 years of fighting this fire.
Each fire company was issued only two air masks for each truck (5-6 men).
After 20 years of litigation- NYC paid out 2 million dollars (total-not each) to 45 surviving firefighters and 98 widows.
Because of OSHA, fire trucks must carry airmasks for each firefighter for enclosed areas.
I think it was several years and after many deaths did the US Govt. recognize Agent Orange for those who served in the Armed Forces.How many died since they served ?
My observance- lets get the numbers down to a more manageable number- I figure 5,000 to 7,500 people must die before a compensation plan is in place.
The numbers are way to high now for the survivors.
An article I found on Telephone Co.

[raylawpc]

I spent the last nite hours & today hours watching the vote on this on C-Span. It is a shame what politics does to people in need.
Katrina, Agent Orange are just a few other disgraces that come to mind.

This is a reprint of an Email we got today from our attys representing 10,000 of us.
New York, New York December 9, 2010 For Immediate Release: The Attorneys representing more than ten thousand men and women, including first responders who became ill after working at the World Trade Center site following the collapse of the Twin Towers on 9/11 say they are "saddened and appalled" by the fact that Senate Republicans have rejected a procedural move by Democrats to end debate on the James Zadroga 9/11 health bill and bring it to an up-or-down vote before the end of the session.

"These men and women did not hesitate for a second when their country called them to the site of a disaster, placing their health, their ability to earn a living and indeed, their very lives on the line," said Paul Napoli, Senior Partner of Worby Groner Edelman & Napoli Bern, LLP. Napoli continued, saying "this week we have seen the death of the thirtieth New York Police officer from Ground Zero toxic exposure injuries. How many more of these brave heroes have to die before the Republicans in the Senate decide providing for them is a worthwhile expenditure? No one should be playing politics when the stakes for our first responders, the very best of us all, are so high"

I just want to add that a total of 872 workers total (FF's,PD, heavy machine operators,vols.body searchers,Emerg. Medical workers,etc etc) have died to date from 9-11 exposures. Many more have cancers and lung disease. Over 20 lung transplants have taken place to date. 5 more people are in hospice care as we speak. 90 % are aged 30-50.

Through the past couple of months, your posts about 9-11 and support with kind words have warmed my heart more than any bill that Congress can write. Thank You.

The Republican vote won't put an end to this issue. Wrong is just wrong.

At any rate, they are consistent in how they goven: Shown no mercy to people in need....

I don't know why we have to bring up politics on this site . . .

[CNorkusJr]

Your right Tom, I'll refrain. Sometimes my feelings get the best of my self control and opinion. This is a Boxing Forum and should be considered as such.

[kikibalt]

Your right Tom, I'll refrain. Sometimes my feelings get the best of my self control and opinion. This is a Boxing Forum and should be considered as such.

This thread as such is open to all topics.....

[scartissue]

I believe Shavers was the original choice for Clubber Lang in Rocky III, but did not know how to pull his punches, so Stallone, liking realism but not too much realism when it was his body on the line, opted for an actor.

Scartissue

Frank Stallone . . .

Stallone has a brother, Frank. Frank is a musician and had done a little amateur boxing in Florida. A good guy.
In 1980, there was an actor's strike in Hollywood and the industry went dead for four months. I was bored and began working out at an amateur gym not far from my house. The owner of the gym was named Ray Nataro, a self-centered boxing nobody who was friends with Stallone and claims to have taught the actor how to box? Ray was part of the "Rocky" production and had posters and photos of Stallone thruout the gym.

When Nataro saw me hit the heavy bag he figured out that I might have some boxing experience and approached me.
"Hey kid, do you know who I am?" I answered, "You own the gym, right?"
The man laughed, "I'm the guy who taught Rocky how to fight" he announced proudly.
I played dumb, "You taught Rocky Marciano how to fight? "
"No, no, no . . . I taught Sly Stallone how to box so he could play Rocky Balboa", the proud gym owner boasted.
"Really, you must be one helluva trainer, Rocky upset Apollo Creed". At this point Notaro got the message I was playing him.
He then asked, "Have you ever thought about fighting for money? I have connections, you look like you have some talent, maybe I can talk to Sly about you. Sly wants to build a stable of boxers, and one of them is Lee Canalino".

Notaro had no clue I had already boxed pro, and had met the sorry Lee Canalito when I worked with "Sly" on Paradise Alley.
I told Notaro that I had retired from a modest pro career a few years earlier, and that I had no interest in boxing in the future, aside from getting in shape.

About this time Frank Stallone enters the building. He's a nice guy, but kinda cocky. When Stallone walks in, Notaro starts to smile from ear-to-ear, "Hey, you want to meet Sly's brother, Frank?". I guess Notaro thought meeting the brother of an actor would impress me. Notaro goes to Frank Stallone, they exchange a few words, and then both walk toward me. We are introduced and Ray tells Frank, "This kid has promise" (I was 28 at the time). Stallone says, "Oh yeah, well maybe we can box a few rounds? If you do alright I'll talk to my brother about managing you."

I was so pissed off at these arrogant phonies I accepted Frank's offer to box (with a smile on my face). He was about 160-170 pounds, I guess.
Stallone assures me he will "take it Easy on me" and I tell him to just do whatever he wants.
Frank answers the bell by moving around, flicking a jab out, acting like he's going to give me a break.
I immediatly slip inside and land a solid hook to the liver. Stallone folds and goes to one knee.
He looks up with a sick look on his face and nods, gasping "good shot". He got to his feet and then got on his bicycle, running backwards for the remainder of the round. When Notaro yelled "time", ending the round, Stallone shook his head and complained of indigestion having "just finished lunch". He was done for the day.

I went back to hitting the heavy bag, finished my workout, and left. I never returned.
Frank Stallone wasn't a bad guy. He occasionally attends boxing events, and we have talked on a couple of occasions since.
Notaro didn't realize he was setting up his friend for an ass-whipping, and Frank Stallone had no clue I had more involvement in both boxing and the film industry than he did.

Classic jerk-offs!

Frank Stallone seems like a pretty good guy. I've never met him personally, but we exchanged e-mails a number of years ago. He is a big fan of the old lightweight champion Ad Wolgast. Somehow, he heard of my interest in Jim Jeffries, and we exchanged some e-mail about early 20th century boxing. He has an extensive collection of Wolgast memorabilia, including - believe it or not - Wolgast's billfold. He seems to have a genuine love for the sport and a real thirst for knowledge about boxing.

One story I heard says a lot about him, I think. He was supposedly at some kind of boxing event, and a group of people had gathered around him as he regaled them with comments about the great Cuban fighters of the past. After a few minutes of this, one of his listeners piped up and said, "I haven't heard you say anything about Jose Legra." Stallone's face went blank, and it was clear he'd never heard of Legra. But instead of trying to cover up his lack of knowledge in some way, he responded, "I've never heard of him. Would you mind telling us about him?" Then he listened intently to what the man had to say, asked him a few appropriate questions, and thanked him for sharing the information. In my experience, most blowhards wouldn't do that.

It probably isn't easy being Sylvester Stallone's brother.

Tom, that was me. Hadn't a clue when I mentioned Legra. He was trying to impress the crowd and his Cuban girlfriend. But he was OK, he posed with my Dad, so I was happy about that. It's the guys that will try to bullshit their way through things that get me, and at least he didn't try. Of course, you see what happened when he tried to B.S. his way through a sparring session with Rick.

Scartissue

[raylawpc]

Your right Tom, I'll refrain. Sometimes my feelings get the best of my self control and opinion. This is a Boxing Forum and should be considered as such.

Chuck, I want you to know that I wasn't even thinking about you when I posted that. Frank is right; it's an open thread and anybody is free to bring up whatever they want. But about six months ago, guys who were friends got into it over something political. Men that I like and respect exchanged words. It's okay now; everything is good again. But it never should have happened in the first place, and it really bothers me because it was one of my posts that started the whole thing. So I have resolved not to ever mention politics on the thread again. We are all friends, but these political discussions have led to unpleasantness on more than one occasion. When we stick to boxing, even when we disagree, we disagree amiably. I'm going to keep on encouraging everybody to stick to boxing.