Floyd Mayweather Versus

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Re: Floyd Mayweather Versus

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Mayweather had better defense than Hearns and isn't a fighter who engaged in brawls and Hearns on the other hand was a lot easier to find with hard shots because he engaged in slug fests. Hagler and Leonard would have to stalk Mayweather for several rounds and still might not even land a significant punch on him and even if they did Floyd s got a good chin, never been dropped or really hurt and hes fought some very hard punchers. And as for Zab, he had a good chin, the only fighter that ever took him out in one punch was Tszyu, Cotto had to pound him for several rounds before he knocked him out. and those r Zab only times when his chin looked questionable, so he had a better chin than the Hitman.
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Re: Floyd Mayweather Versus

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lucaselrey wrote:Mayweather had better defense than Hearns and isn't a fighter who engaged in brawls and Hearns on the other hand was a lot easier to find with hard shots because he engaged in slug fests. Hagler and Leonard would have to stalk Mayweather for several rounds and still might not even land a significant punch on him and even if they did Floyd s got a good chin, never been dropped or really hurt and hes fought some very hard punchers. And as for Zab, he had a good chin, the only fighter that ever took him out in one punch was Tszyu, Cotto had to pound him for several rounds before he knocked him out. and those r Zab only times when his chin looked questionable, so he had a better chin than the Hitman.
That's hard to say because it took pretty bigger and stronger guys than Cotto or Zab to rock Hearns. The guys who beat Hearns were even bigger or stronger than anyone Floyd ever even faced. I don't even think neither of those guys hit even as hard as SRL whose power was pretty underated. And good boxers didn't really trouble Hearns. The only ways guys have been able to beat Hearns did so by rushing him with hard shots while taking some which all of the guys who beat him, even Leonard had to do. Floyd would not be willing to do that. Out of all of the guys on this list, Hearns even with the noted weakest chin among them would beat him the easiest. IMO the only two options I see against Hearns Floyd taking a chance getting stunned like with Mosley and Hearns taking him quick out or Mayweather trying to pot shot and noticing that Hearns is a pretty good boxer with power and a long reach and plays defensive losing a UD to Hearns. Because of the era Hearns was in, his abilities are very underated. I'd pick Hearns to comfortably beat everyone Floyd has faced up to this point
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Re: Floyd Mayweather Versus

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Mayweather could never beat Hearns. He would have two choices. Survive and get outboxed or try to win and get knocked out. It's all silly anyway, he would never dream of fighting him.
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Re: Floyd Mayweather Versus

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SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Mayweather could never beat Hearns. He would have two choices. Survive and get outboxed or try to win and get knocked out. It's all silly anyway, he would never dream of fighting him.
I agree with you. To beat the great Thomas Hearns you gotta be agressive like the greats Sugar Ray Leonard, Marvin Hagler and Iran Barkley did. If you ain't aggressive, you are not going to beat Tommy.
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Re: Floyd Mayweather Versus

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As much as I respect Mayweather's abilities I too believe that Hearns KO's him. Hearns at any age comparable to Floyd was a much bigger man. When Tommy was a WW Floyd was a Super Featherweight so it only makes sense that such a thing would occur. Floyd would've really been screwed against Hearns at 154 though, which is where Tommy seemed to really hit his stride.
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Re: Floyd Mayweather Versus

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Is this Duran at lightweight, or welter?

Duran at lightweight probably beats Mayweather, but Duran at welter gets his shit kicked in.
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Re: Floyd Mayweather Versus

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Duran would've beaten Floyd at 135 or 147. Floyd is VASTLY over-rated at 147. I wouldn't rank him in the top 50 at 147, let alone being able to beat guinine ATG welterweights . . .
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Re: Floyd Mayweather Versus

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I'll go for leonard to win on points
hearns to knock him out
and floyd to outpoint the other 3
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Re: Floyd Mayweather Versus

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I find it hard to believe that people rate PBF as highly as a welterweight as SRL and TH, these two had everything he had and more. Both of them were faster, stronger, hit harder and more importantly had a real fighters heart and mentality. Can you imagine if Leonard or Hearns were around today either of them winging, moaning and making excuses about blood testing rather than fighting Pacquiao to prove their supremacy.

Floyd is a great fighter and a marvellous athlete but against the fighters in question I see the following:

v Hearns: Nightmare matchup for Floyd, Hearns by KO in less than 5 rounds. Hearns was faster, stronger hit as hard as any welter in history and was as good a boxer as well. He'd walk right through him, then afterwards Floyd and his annoying Dad would accuse Manny Steward of injecting Hearns with Steroids in between rounds!

v Leonard: Again Leonard was faster, stronger, hit really hard, moved better than Floyd and could box equally as well as him. I see him being too aggressive and eventually wearing PBF down for a late rounds stoppage.

v Duran: The Duran that beat SRL would also be too much for Floyd as well, I cant see PBF coping with all that constant pressure from someone who was hard to hit clean as well and even when he did land it would have no effect. Duran by late rounds stoppage.

v Benitez: I see this being a chess match stinker. Floyd wouldn't beat Benitez like Leonard did because he doesn't have the same workrate or throw combo's like Ray but I do see him just doing enough to nick a split decision in a fight no one is in a hurry to see a rematch of.

v Kalule: Kalule would be a big strong guy for Mayweather to fight but I see PBF using all of his skills to frustrate AK a little bit whilst landing sufficiently himself to win by UD.
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llabwons wrote:I find it hard to believe that people rate PBF as highly as a welterweight as SRL and TH, these two had everything he had and more. Both of them were faster, stronger, hit harder and more importantly had a real fighters heart and mentality. Can you imagine if Leonard or Hearns were around today either of them winging, moaning and making excuses about blood testing rather than fighting Pacquiao to prove their supremacy.

Floyd is a great fighter and a marvellous athlete but against the fighters in question I see the following:

v Hearns: Nightmare matchup for Floyd, Hearns by KO in less than 5 rounds. Hearns was faster, stronger hit as hard as any welter in history and was as good a boxer as well. He'd walk right through him, then afterwards Floyd and his annoying Dad would accuse Manny Steward of injecting Hearns with Steroids in between rounds!

v Leonard: Again Leonard was faster, stronger, hit really hard, moved better than Floyd and could box equally as well as him. I see him being too aggressive and eventually wearing PBF down for a late rounds stoppage.

v Duran: The Duran that beat SRL would also be too much for Floyd as well, I cant see PBF coping with all that constant pressure from someone who was hard to hit clean as well and even when he did land it would have no effect. Duran by late rounds stoppage.

v Benitez: I see this being a chess match stinker. Floyd wouldn't beat Benitez like Leonard did because he doesn't have the same workrate or throw combo's like Ray but I do see him just doing enough to nick a split decision in a fight no one is in a hurry to see a rematch of.

v Kalule: Kalule would be a big strong guy for Mayweather to fight but I see PBF using all of his skills to frustrate AK a little bit whilst landing sufficiently himself to win by UD.
I agree in all you have said here. But I would not be surprised if Benitez beats Floyd too.
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Re: Floyd Mayweather Versus

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elmersalsa wrote:
llabwons wrote:I find it hard to believe that people rate PBF as highly as a welterweight as SRL and TH, these two had everything he had and more. Both of them were faster, stronger, hit harder and more importantly had a real fighters heart and mentality. Can you imagine if Leonard or Hearns were around today either of them winging, moaning and making excuses about blood testing rather than fighting Pacquiao to prove their supremacy.

Floyd is a great fighter and a marvellous athlete but against the fighters in question I see the following:

v Hearns: Nightmare matchup for Floyd, Hearns by KO in less than 5 rounds. Hearns was faster, stronger hit as hard as any welter in history and was as good a boxer as well. He'd walk right through him, then afterwards Floyd and his annoying Dad would accuse Manny Steward of injecting Hearns with Steroids in between rounds!

v Leonard: Again Leonard was faster, stronger, hit really hard, moved better than Floyd and could box equally as well as him. I see him being too aggressive and eventually wearing PBF down for a late rounds stoppage.

v Duran: The Duran that beat SRL would also be too much for Floyd as well, I cant see PBF coping with all that constant pressure from someone who was hard to hit clean as well and even when he did land it would have no effect. Duran by late rounds stoppage.

v Benitez: I see this being a chess match stinker. Floyd wouldn't beat Benitez like Leonard did because he doesn't have the same workrate or throw combo's like Ray but I do see him just doing enough to nick a split decision in a fight no one is in a hurry to see a rematch of.

v Kalule: Kalule would be a big strong guy for Mayweather to fight but I see PBF using all of his skills to frustrate AK a little bit whilst landing sufficiently himself to win by UD.
I agree in all you have said here. But I would not be surprised if Benitez beats Floyd too.
Me neither to be honest, that one is probably the closest one to call. Top and bottom of it is PBF as a welterweight is miles away from the likes of Leonard, Hearns and Duran.
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People forget how much problems Mayweather had with a rusty way past his prime DLH. Imagine what true all-time greats would have done with him. Hearns destroys him with no problem and Leonard and Duran would beat him so badly that nobody would recognize him. The closes of these fights is Benitez and I still give the edge to Benitez. To be honest I'm not even convinced he would have defeated one dimensional Trinidad.
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