Query about other Boxing Organizations in your TITLE section

Harley Race, Jr · Post by **Harley Race, Jr** » 04 Jun 2005, 14:12

Query about another Boxing Organizations in your TITLE section

MTG · Post by **MTG** » 04 Jun 2005, 14:16

THERE ARE TOO MANY TO LIST SO I TAKE IT THEY ONLY LIST "GENUINE" BODIES

Harley Race, Jr · Post by **Harley Race, Jr** » 04 Jun 2005, 14:38

barry · Post by **barry** » 04 Jun 2005, 14:54

Actually, it's just a case that an editor just hasn't gotten around to adding various belts. As far as I know, it is our intention to list every belt and title in exsistence including all area, state and every other kind of title imaginable, but as you can imagine that is a task that is very complicated to say the least. Personally, I would prefer just one linear/lineal champion per division, but due to the fact that there are literally 1000s of titles it will take time to get them added.

Harley Race, Jr · Post by **Harley Race, Jr** » 04 Jun 2005, 17:32

war_machine · Post by **war_machine** » 06 Jun 2005, 10:39

All of this crap and still not the Ring Title

Harley Race, Jr · Post by **Harley Race, Jr** » 06 Jun 2005, 17:00

Post by **John** » 06 Jun 2005, 17:10

Harley Race, Jr wrote:Any way, here BoxRecord include the IBO, WBU, WBF and other 'Minor' entities, so, why not to include the total package?

Because there are so many ephemeral titles out there. Some of these sanctioning bodies don't even know who their own champions are let alone have a ratings list. Anyone can start a title just by making a belt (and sometimes they don't even bother to do that). There has to be criteria of some kind.

war_machine · Post by **war_machine** » 06 Jun 2005, 18:39

JohnShep wrote:
Harley Race, Jr wrote:Any way, here BoxRecord include the IBO, WBU, WBF and other 'Minor' entities, so, why not to include the total package?
Because there are so many ephemeral titles out there. Some of these sanctioning bodies don't even know who their own champions are let alone have a ratings list. Anyone can start a title just by making a belt (and sometimes they don't even bother to do that). There has to be criteria of some kind.

True but these bodies do not have a monthly magazine. They do not have comprehensive rankings in all divisions that are updated monthly. THey do not have a clear way to become champion. They are not mentioned and endorsed by HBO and ESPN. They havent been around for 70 years and well respected by the public. They are not held by elite fighters etc etc etc

All of which is true of the Ring.

Post by **John** » 06 Jun 2005, 18:42

I agree but it still doesn't make it a sanctioned title. They have no rules and regulations, they appoint no ofiicials, they have no appeals committee etc. etc. It just isn't a title as we know it, perhaps some day it will be but at the moment I am still very much against including it.

Harley Race, Jr · Post by **Harley Race, Jr** » 06 Jun 2005, 23:00

Blue · Post by **Blue** » 07 Jun 2005, 15:49

war_machine wrote:
JohnShep wrote:
Harley Race, Jr wrote:Any way, here BoxRecord include the IBO, WBU, WBF and other 'Minor' entities, so, why not to include the total package?
Because there are so many ephemeral titles out there. Some of these sanctioning bodies don't even know who their own champions are let alone have a ratings list. Anyone can start a title just by making a belt (and sometimes they don't even bother to do that). There has to be criteria of some kind.

True but these bodies do not have a monthly magazine. They do not have comprehensive rankings in all divisions that are updated monthly. THey do not have a clear way to become champion. They are not mentioned and endorsed by HBO and ESPN. They havent been around for 70 years and well respected by the public. They are not held by elite fighters etc etc etc

All of which is true of the Ring.

Pleeze…;

quit it already!

What did Paulie Ayala & Vitali Klitchko do to deserve their ring belts?

The Ring is a dinosaur on its last legs.
A magazine which publishes 3 months old news & publicist promos disguised as opinions.
If U want to know what the agenda is, look at who’s advertising in it.

They lost my trust back in the late 70’s when they became known as “rigged” magazine.

I haven’t bought the rag since 91 when they discontinued reporting undercards.
They are not a world body & no longer have power or influence.

RiddickBowe · Post by **RiddickBowe** » 07 Jun 2005, 16:25

Ring's rankings are much better than those of any sanctioning body and their champions are a higher caliber than any organization's. If you are going to bash them for the fact that they crowned Vitali and Paulie Ayala and use that as an excuse to keep from listing their champions, then we'll have to disqualify every single WBA, WBC, IBF, and WBO champ, since those organizations' histories are replete with fighters who did little to deserve a championship.

I understand why this site does not list Ring champions, although I disagree with it. Both ESPN and HBO rely, to some extent, on Ring's rankings and their listings of champions. They have also, to a large extent, stopped listing the titles of the sanctioning bodies.

Bash Ring if you want, but the alternative is to rely on the corrupt sanctioning bodies to govern boxing. I'd like to get away from that system if we can.

And to John's point about the Ring not being a title as we know it, that's true. However, their's is a title as it has historically been. In the past there were no titles as we know it. John L. Sullivan was not champion becaus the Bareknuckle Boxing Association gave him a belt. He was a champ because he established himself as champion and the public recognized it him as such. Heavyweight champions up until Larry Holmes did not depend on any sanctioning body to proclaim them as champion. They were champions regardless of what the NBA, EBU, WBA, New York State Athletic Commission, etc., said. Ring is going back to this system. True champions are not dependent on corrupt organizations for their championship status. It's sad that nowadays we can't recognize that.

Harley Race, Jr · Post by **Harley Race, Jr** » 07 Jun 2005, 19:14

barry · Post by **barry** » 08 Jun 2005, 06:23

>>>In the past there were no titles as we know it. John L. Sullivan was not champion becaus the Bareknuckle Boxing Association gave him a belt.<<<

He was champion because he kicked everyone's ass, but he was awarded a belt to signify his standing as World Heavyweight Champion. Richard Fox also had a belt made and gave it to Jake Kilrain and proclaimed Kilrain Wolrd Heavyweight Champion because he hated Sullivan. Belts have always signified ones stature as the best, but it wasn't until the last fourty years that the concept of a title has been lowered and is downright ridiculous. Ring Magazine had a good idea in trying to have only one fighter to be champion, but just like all the other corrupt alphabet organizations, Ring was just as curropt when they name their title holders. They just had to have a heavyweight champion, so they named Klitschko that based on his loss to Lewis, which is bullshit anyway that you look at it, Byrd had a better right to recieve the belt, buyt even he did not deserve it...if they wanted to do the right thing, it should still be vacant, but Ring can have that, so they give the title to who they like best, not because it was earned in the ring. Pretty much all of the others are good, Hopkins at 160, Wright at 154, Hatton at 140, Pacquiao at 126, but bullshit opinion ruined their plans right from the start!

By the way Harley, are you actually the real Harley Race Jr?

>>>>Something else, why BoxRecord doesn’t include a ‘department’ of triple champions, quadruple champions, etc, the most defenses for every division, etc?<<<<

All of that stuff and lists upon lists and all kinds of other historical data are being entered into the Boxrec Wiki site at:

http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.php?title=Main_Page

Harley Race, Jr · Post by **Harley Race, Jr** » 08 Jun 2005, 09:19

RiddickBowe · Post by **RiddickBowe** » 08 Jun 2005, 09:28

barry wrote:He was champion because he kicked everyone's ass, but he was awarded a belt to signify his standing as World Heavyweight Champion. Richard Fox also had a belt made and gave it to Jake Kilrain and proclaimed Kilrain Wolrd Heavyweight Champion because he hated Sullivan.

And Fox was the editor of a magazine, if I recall correctly. So it would seem that the concept of magazines giving titles pre-dates the corrupt organizations and this site should recognize it as such.

They just had to have a heavyweight champion, so they named Klitschko that based on his loss to Lewis,

No, they named him champ based on his demolition of Sanders, who was their number three ranked heavyweight. They said all along that if a number one guy and a number two guy (or, in some instances, a number three guy) fight, then they will recognize the winner as champion. While I disagree with their doing so in this case, they certainly did not name Vitali champ based on his loss to Lewis. They were following their procedures, which is more than I can say for any of the sanctioning bodies.

barry · Post by **barry** » 08 Jun 2005, 10:15

Harley---Contact John Sheppard (Shep) about becoming an editor. There's always room for more volunteers.

Actual my name is Barry Deskins.

Harley Race, Jr · Post by **Harley Race, Jr** » 08 Jun 2005, 16:20

Harley Race, Jr · Post by **Harley Race, Jr** » 08 Jun 2005, 16:23

Tantum · Post by **Tantum** » 08 Jun 2005, 17:09

While we're on the subject of titles in the title search...

Straight up "World Title" should be searchable, i.e Joe Louis, Floyd Patterson, etc...

Harley Race, Jr · Post by **Harley Race, Jr** » 10 Jun 2005, 16:34

Harley Race, Jr · Post by **Harley Race, Jr** » 13 Jun 2005, 17:27

Harley Race, Jr · Post by **Harley Race, Jr** » 22 Jun 2005, 06:47

jomothepure · Post by **jomothepure** » 22 Jun 2005, 13:05

Alright mate,

I for one am fascinated by the horryfying outrageously bad brilliance that all the fringe titles bring to boxing.

If you look tho, there are plenty of examples of baubles such as the GBU, WBB etc. being listed. Maybe not all are, but as it has been said, by emporer Shep himself I think, getting all the fringe titles up on the database is nigh on impossible if their not given the info. themselves. Have a look at the scheduled tho, or the recent results, and you'll see GBU titles and WBE intercontinental title fights listed. Now that is commitment boxrec

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