Classic American West Coast Boxing

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Rick Farris wrote:
Randyman wrote:I got the western channel recently. I'm reliving my childhood watching all these old westerns; The Virginian, Wagon Train, Have Gun-Will Travel and on and on.

Rick, did your grandfather ever work on any of the old classic westerns? Richard Jaeckel was on the Virginian tonight, he had to be one of the hardest working actor during the 50's, 60's and 70's. He's played everything, cop, priest, cowboy, etc. Ever work with him Rick?

Randy :TU:
Westerns . . .

When I first went to work for Michael Landon, an assitant director asked if I was related to Richard Jaeckel. I was asked that several times when I was younger. I guess they saw a resemblence. I never worked with the man, but some of the old timers at the CBS lot in Studio City told me he was a good guy. As for my grandfather, I know that Warner Bros. loaned him to Republic Pictures on several occasions during the 40's & 50's to light some of their Westerns, but which ones I have no idea. My uncle Bob was the lighting gaffer on "How The West Was Won" back in the early 60's. My Grandad did work with James Garner on the original "Maverick" series at Warner's, as well as "The Law Man" and "Sugar Foot" with Will Hutchins. I visited him on all those productions when I was a kid, as Warners had a small Western set on the back lot. The Studio also had an annual Rodeo/Picnic out in Saugus for it's employees, and all the Western stars such as Garner would ride their horses in a parade prior to the rodeo. Of course, that was when real movie makers ran the studios. My grandad, I'm proud to say, was Warner Bros. top light man for many years. He was on a first name basis with studio chief, Jack Warner.

By the way, "The Virginian", "The Big Valley" and "Wagon Train" were all fimed just down the block from where I live today at the CBS lot, which had been Republic Studios until the 60's. The Wild, Wild, West was also filmed there in the 60's. Some of the exteriors were filmed in the West San Fernando Valley at what was known as Warner Ranch. Warner Ranch is now known as Woodland Hills, and is a major real estate development. Other movie ranches were the Spahn Ranch (where the Manson gang holed up) in Chatsworth, Correganville in the north Valley, and the Big Sky movie ranch in Simi Valley, where we filmed exteriors for Little House on the Praire (That was where the Walnut Grove set was built). The North West SFV was not developed in those days and was a perfect backdrop for Westerns. On Little House, I had the pleasure of working with most of the old timers that shot the original Bonanza series. In other words, I can light a Western too, if necessary, and light it GOOD! (Little House is considered a Western production with stage coaches, buck boards, horses, wranglers, etc. and I wore my Tony Lamas when lighting those sets) :OhYes:
The lighting was great, but the rest of the set “extremely unrealistic” (according to my native Minnesotan wife). Why? There is snow on the ground half the year in Minnesota, and you never saw a single flake on the TV show. :lol:

Walnut Grove is about 20 or 30 minutes from my wife’s uncle. I visited it once about 30 years ago. The TV show put the little town on the map. Of course, they have the obligatory museum – which is actually pretty well done. A few miles out of town, you can follow the signs to the Ingall’s homestead. All that’s there is a depression in the side of a hill near Plum Creek. That’s where the sod house was located that Pa Ingalls built into the ground. In fact, the “Little House on the Prairie” wasn’t in Minnesota. It was in Indian Territory (Oklahoma). The Walnut Grove homestead was the subject of Laura’s book “On the Banks of Plum Creek.” I guess “Little House on the Prairie” sounded better for a TV show than “On the Banks of Plum Creek,” and Minnesota was preferred over Oklahoma/Indian Territory, so the show’s producers blurred the story lines. The family moved to Walnut Grove from the “Little House on the Prairie” only lived a few years in either place.

My wife loved the show, and loved the books too. When I read your message to her about lighting the show, she said to tell you congratulations for being part of such a great series!! :TU: :TU:
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Randyman wrote:Junior Middleweight/Super Welterweight Austin Trout, who is trained by my cousin Louis Burke, will be fighting for the WBA Super welterweight title on February 5, in Guadalajara, Mexico against Rigoberto “Español” Alvarez. Trout is training at 7000 ft altitude in the high mountains of Ruidoso, New Mexico. If he wins he will be Las Cruces' first world champion. Should he win he will also be Louie's first champion.

Louie sent me these photos of Austin training in Ruidoso.

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Great Post Randy. I'll be rooting for him. Great stuff.
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What's the right thing to do....?

Jeri and I just got back from the market. On the way in to the market there was young girl about my youngest daughter's age. She had a baby in a stroller and a small cardboard sign that read "I just lost my job and I need......" The same sign that is read everywhere across the country. She was looking me in the eye as I walked in. I had sympathy for her. Jeri said it was the same girl that we see at the Post Office. I said "we'll see if she out there when we're going out

We shopped and paid and as we were leaving I walked up to the girl to give her a few bucks. There were two other women there; one woman was also asking for donations, something a little more official and legal looking, the other woman with her was one of the cashiers from the market. As I started to hand the young girl the money, both girls blurted out

"You shouldn't give her money, they're gypsies. They come here all the time and ask for money".

"How do you know she doesn't need the money?" I asked.

"Because she will cuss you out if you don't give her any!" She said.

"Maybe she's desperate"

They went on for a few minutes about the girl and some of the other people that stand outside the market and ask for money. I said "

You may very well be right but the way I look at it If she's conning me for a few bucks, that's between her and God, and even if I'm wrong I'm still doing the right thing".

I gave the girl a few bucks and left. What's a lousy few bucks?

I give a lot of money to people on the street. Does that make me an enabler? I wonder about that sometimes. I know there's a lot of people out there conning people for a few bucks rather than work. The way I look at it is that, what if, someday in the future when I'm not around, one of my kids might be desperate and need some help, I would like to think someone might hand them a few bucks. What if some of these young girls never had a father? It makes you wonder, what's the right thing to do?
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CNorkusJr wrote:
Randyman wrote:Junior Middleweight/Super Welterweight Austin Trout, who is trained by my cousin Louis Burke, will be fighting for the WBA Super welterweight title on February 5, in Guadalajara, Mexico against Rigoberto “Español” Alvarez. Trout is training at 7000 ft altitude in the high mountains of Ruidoso, New Mexico. If he wins he will be Las Cruces' first world champion. Should he win he will also be Louie's first champion.

Louie sent me these photos of Austin training in Ruidoso.

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Great Post Randy. I'll be rooting for him. Great stuff.
Thanks Charlie, Louie will appreciate that! :TU:
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Randyman wrote:Today Jeri and I drove to Ontario to take care of some personal business. Jeri grew up in Ontario after moving here from San Antonio, Texas with her parents in the late 1950’s. We lived there together for a short time in the mid 70’s. It was a bittersweet day for her. We passed by the apartments where her parents lived in their later years. She hadn’t been there in years so it was emotional for her. We drove to the house she grew up in but it was gone, the entire neighborhood was gutted and replaced by townhouses or condos. Beautiful as they were I was sorry to see the old neighborhood gone.

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The Granada Theater building

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Gemmel's Drugstore

The downtown area had changed but many of the old buildings were still there. The Granada theater was still standing though I don’t think it’s still in operation. The old bank of America building was still there as well as Gemmel’s Drugstore. Gemmel’s was an old traditional drugstore that Jeri’s parents went to when she was a kid and it had already been around for years. The Granada theater was a hangout for the teens back in the day. I was picturing Jeri there as a teenager. Jeri was reminiscing. Ontario is an old town (by California standards) and there are a lot of interesting old buildings. Sadly, nothing stays the same. The Granada theater, built in1927 is said to be haunted.

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Vince's Spaghetti House

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Grinder Haven

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A 1 foot long pastrami grinder

Before we left Ontario we decided to get something to eat. As far as we were concerned, we only had two choices, Vince’s Spaghetti House or Grinder Haven. Vince’s is an old school and old style spaghetti house and has been around since the mid 1940’s. The grinder has been around since the late 1950’s and it’s famous for their pastrami grinders. We decided on Grinder Haven. It was the right choice. We were talking about pastrami sandwiches a few weeks ago and for some reason I had a memory lapse and failed to mention them. This is the best pastrami sandwich that I have ever had. I’ve eaten here over the years since 1975 and they have remained consistent. The bread and the meat are incredible. In all the years that I have eaten here I have never ordered anything else. I can't take a chance. This is typical old school California.

Too bad I didn't know last week . . .

Randy, Since I'm not the L.D. on the movie I'm working on, they let me break away and take short lighting gaffer jobs on other productions that call me. There is a TV series at Paramount I'll work on occasionally, I'll step in and cover their L.D. when he is doing something else. Last week, the production filmed one day at Ontario Airport, where Terminal-2 is not used and is often rented to film companies. I lit the show that day, and the day before was taken out to scout the location with the cinematographer. On the scout day, we went out in the morning and spent about an hour taking notes, etc. so I would know what equipment to order. We finished about noon and before the transportation coordinator drove us back he asked if anybody had any preference concerning lunch. None of us had any ideas so a place was suggested that was known to have good Philly cheesesteak sandwiches. It was a newer place and the sandwiches were just "OK". Too bad I didn't know about Grinder Haven, or we'd have very likely gone there. :witzend: When it comes to food, I can suggest your recommendations with confidence. :OhYes:
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Randyman wrote:Junior Middleweight/Super Welterweight Austin Trout, who is trained by my cousin Louis Burke, will be fighting for the WBA Super welterweight title on February 5, in Guadalajara, Mexico against Rigoberto “Español” Alvarez. Trout is training at 7000 ft altitude in the high mountains of Ruidoso, New Mexico. If he wins he will be Las Cruces' first world champion. Should he win he will also be Louie's first champion.

Louie sent me these photos of Austin training in Ruidoso.

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I'll be pulling for Austin Trout to win the title. :TU:
It'll be another feather in your cousin Louie's cap. :OhYes:.
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raylawpc wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:
Randyman wrote:I got the western channel recently. I'm reliving my childhood watching all these old westerns; The Virginian, Wagon Train, Have Gun-Will Travel and on and on.

Rick, did your grandfather ever work on any of the old classic westerns? Richard Jaeckel was on the Virginian tonight, he had to be one of the hardest working actor during the 50's, 60's and 70's. He's played everything, cop, priest, cowboy, etc. Ever work with him Rick?

Randy :TU:
Westerns . . .

When I first went to work for Michael Landon, an assitant director asked if I was related to Richard Jaeckel. I was asked that several times when I was younger. I guess they saw a resemblence. I never worked with the man, but some of the old timers at the CBS lot in Studio City told me he was a good guy. As for my grandfather, I know that Warner Bros. loaned him to Republic Pictures on several occasions during the 40's & 50's to light some of their Westerns, but which ones I have no idea. My uncle Bob was the lighting gaffer on "How The West Was Won" back in the early 60's. My Grandad did work with James Garner on the original "Maverick" series at Warner's, as well as "The Law Man" and "Sugar Foot" with Will Hutchins. I visited him on all those productions when I was a kid, as Warners had a small Western set on the back lot. The Studio also had an annual Rodeo/Picnic out in Saugus for it's employees, and all the Western stars such as Garner would ride their horses in a parade prior to the rodeo. Of course, that was when real movie makers ran the studios. My grandad, I'm proud to say, was Warner Bros. top light man for many years. He was on a first name basis with studio chief, Jack Warner.

By the way, "The Virginian", "The Big Valley" and "Wagon Train" were all fimed just down the block from where I live today at the CBS lot, which had been Republic Studios until the 60's. The Wild, Wild, West was also filmed there in the 60's. Some of the exteriors were filmed in the West San Fernando Valley at what was known as Warner Ranch. Warner Ranch is now known as Woodland Hills, and is a major real estate development. Other movie ranches were the Spahn Ranch (where the Manson gang holed up) in Chatsworth, Correganville in the north Valley, and the Big Sky movie ranch in Simi Valley, where we filmed exteriors for Little House on the Praire (That was where the Walnut Grove set was built). The North West SFV was not developed in those days and was a perfect backdrop for Westerns. On Little House, I had the pleasure of working with most of the old timers that shot the original Bonanza series. In other words, I can light a Western too, if necessary, and light it GOOD! (Little House is considered a Western production with stage coaches, buck boards, horses, wranglers, etc. and I wore my Tony Lamas when lighting those sets) :OhYes:
The lighting was great, but the rest of the set “extremely unrealistic” (according to my native Minnesotan wife). Why? There is snow on the ground half the year in Minnesota, and you never saw a single flake on the TV show. :lol:

Walnut Grove is about 20 or 30 minutes from my wife’s uncle. I visited it once about 30 years ago. The TV show put the little town on the map. Of course, they have the obligatory museum – which is actually pretty well done. A few miles out of town, you can follow the signs to the Ingall’s homestead. All that’s there is a depression in the side of a hill near Plum Creek. That’s where the sod house was located that Pa Ingalls built into the ground. In fact, the “Little House on the Prairie” wasn’t in Minnesota. It was in Indian Territory (Oklahoma). The Walnut Grove homestead was the subject of Laura’s book “On the Banks of Plum Creek.” I guess “Little House on the Prairie” sounded better for a TV show than “On the Banks of Plum Creek,” and Minnesota was preferred over Oklahoma/Indian Territory, so the show’s producers blurred the story lines. The family moved to Walnut Grove from the “Little House on the Prairie” only lived a few years in either place.

My wife loved the show, and loved the books too. When I read your message to her about lighting the show, she said to tell you congratulations for being part of such a great series!! :TU: :TU:
Making Snow . . .

Tom, please tell Linda I said "Thank you". I joined the company in the very last season of "Little House", and after that did Highway To Heaven, a couple TV movies (that Landon produced), and the pilot for a new series that we filmed shortly before Michael's death. As for Walnut Grove, luckily 99.9% of the world will never visit there so they won't know the difference. Mike could have had artificial snow created to blanket the set, but the show seemed to be extremely successful regardless. Believe it or not, I recall a couple of the studio wranglers discussing Minnesota one day at lunch. One said he had family in Minnesota and he was concerned because they had been "snowed in" for several days. As I mentioned, our set was in the hills above Simi Valley, which is North-West of the San Fernando Valley and it does not snow here. On stage 15 at MGM, we had the Ingalls cabin interior set, and it also had an exterior that we could film closer shots on stage. I recall in one episode artificial snow was used, but it was only seen thru windows. I remember lighting "Half Pint's" face as she peaked out thru the window watching the snow fall. Fake snow was dropped from high on the stage by a special effects man, and real ice had been brought in to surround the cabin on stage, which was put into a snow making machine andspread around the cabin. I recall it was a hot summer day outside, but inside the stage we all were wearing jackets as the air conditioning was cranked up to keep the snow from melting too quickly.
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Rick Farris wrote:
raylawpc wrote:
Rick Farris wrote: Westerns . . .

When I first went to work for Michael Landon, an assitant director asked if I was related to Richard Jaeckel. I was asked that several times when I was younger. I guess they saw a resemblence. I never worked with the man, but some of the old timers at the CBS lot in Studio City told me he was a good guy. As for my grandfather, I know that Warner Bros. loaned him to Republic Pictures on several occasions during the 40's & 50's to light some of their Westerns, but which ones I have no idea. My uncle Bob was the lighting gaffer on "How The West Was Won" back in the early 60's. My Grandad did work with James Garner on the original "Maverick" series at Warner's, as well as "The Law Man" and "Sugar Foot" with Will Hutchins. I visited him on all those productions when I was a kid, as Warners had a small Western set on the back lot. The Studio also had an annual Rodeo/Picnic out in Saugus for it's employees, and all the Western stars such as Garner would ride their horses in a parade prior to the rodeo. Of course, that was when real movie makers ran the studios. My grandad, I'm proud to say, was Warner Bros. top light man for many years. He was on a first name basis with studio chief, Jack Warner.

By the way, "The Virginian", "The Big Valley" and "Wagon Train" were all fimed just down the block from where I live today at the CBS lot, which had been Republic Studios until the 60's. The Wild, Wild, West was also filmed there in the 60's. Some of the exteriors were filmed in the West San Fernando Valley at what was known as Warner Ranch. Warner Ranch is now known as Woodland Hills, and is a major real estate development. Other movie ranches were the Spahn Ranch (where the Manson gang holed up) in Chatsworth, Correganville in the north Valley, and the Big Sky movie ranch in Simi Valley, where we filmed exteriors for Little House on the Praire (That was where the Walnut Grove set was built). The North West SFV was not developed in those days and was a perfect backdrop for Westerns. On Little House, I had the pleasure of working with most of the old timers that shot the original Bonanza series. In other words, I can light a Western too, if necessary, and light it GOOD! (Little House is considered a Western production with stage coaches, buck boards, horses, wranglers, etc. and I wore my Tony Lamas when lighting those sets) :OhYes:
The lighting was great, but the rest of the set “extremely unrealistic” (according to my native Minnesotan wife). Why? There is snow on the ground half the year in Minnesota, and you never saw a single flake on the TV show. :lol:

Walnut Grove is about 20 or 30 minutes from my wife’s uncle. I visited it once about 30 years ago. The TV show put the little town on the map. Of course, they have the obligatory museum – which is actually pretty well done. A few miles out of town, you can follow the signs to the Ingall’s homestead. All that’s there is a depression in the side of a hill near Plum Creek. That’s where the sod house was located that Pa Ingalls built into the ground. In fact, the “Little House on the Prairie” wasn’t in Minnesota. It was in Indian Territory (Oklahoma). The Walnut Grove homestead was the subject of Laura’s book “On the Banks of Plum Creek.” I guess “Little House on the Prairie” sounded better for a TV show than “On the Banks of Plum Creek,” and Minnesota was preferred over Oklahoma/Indian Territory, so the show’s producers blurred the story lines. The family moved to Walnut Grove from the “Little House on the Prairie” only lived a few years in either place.

My wife loved the show, and loved the books too. When I read your message to her about lighting the show, she said to tell you congratulations for being part of such a great series!! :TU: :TU:
Making Snow . . .

Tom, please tell Linda I said "Thank you". I joined the company in the very last season of "Little House", and after that did Highway To Heaven, a couple TV movies (that Landon produced), and the pilot for a new series that we filmed shortly before Michael's death. As for Walnut Grove, luckily 99.9% of the world will never visit there so they won't know the difference. Mike could have had artificial snow created to blanket the set, but the show seemed to be extremely successful regardless. Believe it or not, I recall a couple of the studio wranglers discussing Minnesota one day at lunch. One said he had family in Minnesota and he was concerned because they had been "snowed in" for several days. As I mentioned, our set was in the hills above Simi Valley, which is North-West of the San Fernando Valley and it does not snow here. On stage 15 at MGM, we had the Ingalls cabin interior set, and it also had an exterior that we could film closer shots on stage. I recall in one episode artificial snow was used, but it was only seen thru windows. I remember lighting "Half Pint's" face as she peaked out thru the window watching the snow fall. Fake snow was dropped from high on the stage by a special effects man, and real ice had been brought in to surround the cabin on stage, which was put into a snow making machine andspread around the cabin. I recall it was a hot summer day outside, but inside the stage we all were wearing jackets as the air conditioning was cranked up to keep the snow from melting too quickly.

Boxing on Little House . . .

A couple of seasons before I joined the Little House production, Landon wrote an directed an episode that featured one of his favorite actors, Moses Gunn, who portrayed an aging prizefighter who was going blind, yet hiding the disability in order to make money. That episode won an emmy for "best cinematography", much do to the great lighting by the show's original lighting director, Lon Massey, whom was one of my mentors. Today, Massey is retired to his horse ranch in Oregon, and his son Kevin often works with me when I put together a crew. I've yet to post much of my Landon memorabelia, but it will come in due course, including Victor French's "Unique" funeral invitation. There was no funeral, just a party and you guys will be amazed at his invitation! FUNNY! I also attended Michael's funeral. What an event. President Reagen was there with Nancy, and about 200 guests. It was at Hillside Memorial Park near Culver City, and I recall literally hundreds of reporters and media types all held behind barriers several hundred yards away, there were helicopters flying above, news copters, etc. Michael had already been cremated before the funeral. Afterwards, all of us on the crew met at a bar near the cemetary. We all toasted "The Dude", the toast led by Mike's long time friend and Producer, Kent McCray. It was not a happy day for us, and the business lost it's magic to me afterwards. We were a spoiled crew, the Dude took good care of us, and we never let him down. We were fast and professional, it was legend that we were the best crew in the history of episodic television. This is a well known fact in Hollywood. Michael allowed us to push the envelope in creating a beautiful image, he gave me the freedom to light without restriction. We all won awards. I'll dig out these things and have Monica scan them for me, then I'll post them. I recall I had planned to do this long ago, but got side tracked. :witzend:
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Randyman wrote:Junior Middleweight/Super Welterweight Austin Trout, who is trained by my cousin Louis Burke, will be fighting for the WBA Super welterweight title on February 5, in Guadalajara, Mexico against Rigoberto “Español” Alvarez. Trout is training at 7000 ft altitude in the high mountains of Ruidoso, New Mexico. If he wins he will be Las Cruces' first world champion. Should he win he will also be Louie's first champion.

Louie sent me these photos of Austin training in Ruidoso.

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Randy, why has Austin been out since 2009?
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THEHAMMER321 wrote:Good morning all, I was thinking about all the fighters who I followed closely about 30 years ago, one of my favorites was Dwight Braxton, if you go back to when he beat James Scott and then won the title from Saad Muhamad this guy was something, here was a guy who was 5/6 or 5/7 and was actually a very good defensive fighter although most people think he was just an aggressive pressure fighter, but I think what happened with him was as Mickey said to Rocky ''he got civilized'', I mean who could blame him, the guy had done a pretty good stretch in prison, and now he was on top of the world, a world champ and money for the first time in his life, I think fighters who fight the style like Braxton fought have to be very hungry in order for them to stay on top, I saw his fight before he fought Michael Spinks against Eddie Davis and I sensed that the hunger had subsided he just wasn't the same,as the rock group Kansas had a song in the late 1970s ''dust in the wind'' in one part of the song they sing ''nothing lasts forever but the earth and sky'' , all fighters should listen to those words. :TU:
Great jab. I watched his fight with Spinks recently and there is nothing between the two men, really, but Spinks just throws more punches, even though Braxton is slipping most of them. Dwight's fight with Holyfield is a classic, probably the last great 15-rounder.
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Good morning all, just put the coffee on, where is everyone, are you guys sleeping your life away. :lol:
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THEHAMMER321 wrote:Good morning all, just put the coffee on, where is everyone, are you guys sleeping your life away. :lol:
Morning Paul, waiting for my coffee to finish perking.....
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This photo just blew me away

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Krishna Venta killed in bombing

By: Scott Harrison

Dec. 10, 1958: Founder Krishna Venta and nine others are killed by a bomb at the WKFL Fountain of the World Monastery in Box Canyon, west of Chatsworth.

The Los Angeles Times reported on Dec. 11, 1958:

The Fountain of the World Monastery in a wooded canyon near Chatsworth was ripped apart early yesterday by a heavy explosion which instantly killed the bearded leader of the cult, Krishna Venta, and seven of his followers.

Two ex-cultists linked to the blast by bizarre tape recordings in which they vowed “to bring Krishna to justice” were believed to have also died in the explosion.

Two children, both girls, ages 8 and 9, and a 59-year old woman were seriously burned.

The explosion blew the roof from an adjoining dormitory for children and touched off a brush fire that swept over 150 acres. Fire completed the destruction of the monastery and dormitory.

The two ex-members, Peter Kamenoff and Ralph Muller, believed Venta had slept with their wives and was misusing the group’s funds. They set off a bomb made with 20 sticks of dynamite.

For years, Krishna Venta and members of the Fountain of the World had been very receptive to the media, allowing photographers great access to their monastery and activities. After the explosion, this access continued. Included in the above photo gallery are additional Fountain of the World images from 1949 through 1964.

This open attitude was explained in a 1974 Los Angeles Times story on the Fountain of the World by staff writer — and later staff photographer — Ken Lubas:

The WKFL was founded in 1948 by Krishna Venta, a onetime boilermaker in Berkeley, once jailed for issuing fictitious checks, who reportedly did nothing to confirm or deny the belief of many of his followers that he was Christ.

However, Venta worked to reinforce the belief by wearing a flowing robe, long hair and beard. Some said he had no navel.

The only requisite for joining the WKFL, which stands for Wisdom, Knowledge, Faith and Love, was to live by the 10 Commandments and learn Venta’s teachings. He once said he had visited Rome in AD 600.

The premise of Venta’s philosophy, according to his followers, is contained in the chant to be said each day: “Love one. Love ye on another. Love all. Serve ye one another.”

The cultists who echoed this refrain came to be regarded as angels of mercy. They fought fires, aided earthquake and flood victims and helped in homes when there was illness, and once when a plane crashed in the canyon, they helped in the grim task of carrying out the dead.

After the explosion, the WKFL Fountain of the World group dwindled in size and is today defunct.
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Just out of interest, and just to sound modern, are any of you friends with fighters or ex-fighters on facebook? Drew Docherty accepted my friend request today, a former British bantamweight champion from Glasgow. He was a canny little boxer.
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bennie wrote:Just out of interest, and just to sound modern, are any of you friends with fighters or ex-fighters on facebook? Drew Docherty accepted my friend request today, a former British bantamweight champion from Glasgow. He was a canny little boxer.
Bennie, look me up on FB..
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I, personally are not on Facebook, but I saw that Angelo Dundee is and I saw that he does talk to people through that network. He just lost his wife a few weeks ago and would think it might take a couple more to be back on talking to fans.He has a interesting page though that can be viewed.
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Frank, how was the menudo ? , I think I am gonna go visit the ''colonel'' haven't had fried chicken in a while, I still think they have the best fried chicken and coleslaw. :TU:
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bennie wrote:Just out of interest, and just to sound modern, are any of you friends with fighters or ex-fighters on facebook? Drew Docherty accepted my friend request today, a former British bantamweight champion from Glasgow. He was a canny little boxer.
Hi bennie:

I'm on Facebook. So are Frank and Rick. Frank is very active and his wall is a lot of fun to read. He posts interesting boxing and non-boxing stuff.

I'm "friends" with Mando Muniz and Sean O'Grady on FB. Rick is the only other fighter I'm "friends" with. Frank's son Tony is on FB, but I haven't made a friend request to him because I don't know him. I've met Frank's son Frankie, but I don't think he is on FB. Frankie is a great guy! I wish he was on FB.

Remy is on FB too. He posts most of his stuff in Norwegian (naturally), but occasionally he'll post something on his wall in English.
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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

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Tom, I went on facebook but there were about 20 Frank Blatazar's on there, which one is ''our'' Frank ? . :witzend:
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THEHAMMER321 wrote:Tom, I went on facebook but there were about 20 Frank Blatazar's on there, which one is ''our'' Frank ? . :witzend:
the one with the mustache and a wife in the photo :TU:
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Panzerfaust wrote:
THEHAMMER321 wrote:Tom, I went on facebook but there were about 20 Frank Blatazar's on there, which one is ''our'' Frank ? . :witzend:
the one with the mustache and a wife in the photo :TU:
Remy, I know what Frank looks like, I just can't find him on facebook. :witzend:
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THEHAMMER321 wrote:Tom, I went on facebook but there were about 20 Frank Blatazar's on there, which one is ''our'' Frank ? . :witzend:
The handsome guy with the beautiful woman posing next to him in the photo. Frank uses an old photo of him and Connie as his profile picture, and Connie looks great with one of those bouffant hairdo . . . BTW, Connie is still beautiful! :TU: . . . She looked very elegant at the CBHOF last year.
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Connie is a beautiful woman and Frank is a great looking man who does not look his age. The entire Baltazar family is the same. I know actors with attractive looks who are ugly inside. The Baltazar's are beautiful inside and out. They make boxing look good.
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Rick Farris wrote:Connie is a beautiful woman and Frank is a great looking man who does not look his age. The entire Baltazar family is the same. I know actors with attractive looks who are ugly inside. The Baltazar's are beautiful inside and out. They make boxing look good.
I could not agree more! :TU: :TU:
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