Classic American West Coast Boxing

[raylawpc]

Facebook . . .

Somebody hacked my facebook page and sent offers for a free I-Pad as if it were from me.
Anybody who opens this false e-mail will end up with a virus. Don't open.

As for the new Classic American West Coast Boxing facebook page, I'm sorry but I will not participate.
This was my choice before discovering the virus situation.
I'm too busy for Facebook involvment, hence my never posting any photos.
I don't like receiving all the notifications, I get enough relating to this thread.
This Forum is enough for me. When my Facebook page is restored, I will remove myself from the CAWCB page.
It does not work for me.
I will continue to maintain a Facebook page, as it's a great way to connect, but participation is another issue.

-Rick Farris

No disrespect to anyone, but I kind of like our old ''club'' better, I am not very good with computers and I have a tough time finding my way around, I just am more comfortable on here, I will look on facebook from time to time,but I will stay mostly on boxrec, also I like the ''privacy'' on here better.

Agreed. But I do like Facebook as a way to stay connected with my family. If you look at my page, you'll see I have lots of cousins listed. We were all pretty close as kids, but we lost touch as we began careers, had kids of our own, and as our parents and grandparents died off. Facebook has made it easy to reconnect with these folks.

[raylawpc]

In the boxers of the past forum somebody posted, The greatest Chicano fighter of all time, only one person replied so far, his answer was Oscar De la hoya, if he would have said who is the most popular Chicano fighter of all time, then the answer, no doubt would have been Oscar, but he said The best,and according to many knowledgeable old timers that I have read about, said Manuel Ortiz was the greatest Chicano fighter, any thoughts on this subject ? .

Of the limited footage ive seen of him(and knowledge of the subject at all) he atleast has to be the best infighter ...without checking in advance i find it hared to remember who is mexican and who is Chicanos (a word ilearned here that means mexican-american )

Manuel Ortiz hands down was the best.

[Rick Farris]

In the boxers of the past forum somebody posted, The greatest Chicano fighter of all time, only one person replied so far, his answer was Oscar De la hoya, if he would have said who is the most popular Chicano fighter of all time, then the answer, no doubt would have been Oscar, but he said The best,and according to many knowledgeable old timers that I have read about, said Manuel Ortiz was the greatest Chicano fighter, any thoughts on this subject ? .

Of the limited footage ive seen of him(and knowledge of the subject at all) he atleast has to be the best infighter ...without checking in advance i find it hared to remember who is mexican and who is Chicanos (a word ilearned here that means mexican-american )

Manuel Ortiz hands down was the best.

Agreed!

[THEHAMMER321]

Was also reading in the boxers of the past forum, they were comparing Jimmy Young vs Joe Frazier, what a joke ! Jimmy Young was a hot and cold spoiler who could make an opponent look bad and he should have gotten the decision over Ali,but as far as comparing him to a prime Joe Frazier, only a cranberry could come up with that one.

[Rick Farris]

Was also reading in the boxers of the past forum, they were comparing Jimmy Young vs Joe Frazier, what a joke ! Jimmy Young was a hot and cold spoiler who could make an opponent look bad and he should have gotten the decision over Ali,but as far as comparing him to a prime Joe Frazier, only a cranberry could come up with that one.

Good post, Paul. Young was clever, but he wouldn't have gotten far with Joe Frazier.
An old Ali, yes.
An out of shape Foreman, yes.
A prime Frazier? No way Jose!

[CNorkusJr]

Guys, we are getting hammered in Missouri by the weather. I'm in Monett where we have six inches of snow on the ground and another 6 inches forecast for this afternoon and tonight, and high winds of 20 to 30 mph. Sean emailed me and wrote it's the same thing in Oklahoma City.

Linda tells me that in St. Louis they have 3/4 inch of frozen sleet on the ground, and they are expecting 12 to 16 inches on top of it. I'm going to try and take some pictures of it tomorrow when it stops snowing, but I ain't going out in that mess today!!

How are you doing in NYC, Chuck?

New York news reports has your (St Louis) weather coming our way all day tommorrow(Wed).
Right now we have about a cumalative 3 feet of snow frozen on the ground here already over 3 good size storms.I'll see if I can post some pictures I took two days ago. We are expecting the ice to start in a couple of hours.1 to 2 inches then changing over to rain by mid-afternoon. What saves my ass most of the time is living by the ocean on the south shore. Thay say that the salt air sometimes has an effect on total accum. over lets say the North shore of Long Island.
My local county/town sanitation dept already exhausted its snow budget for the year and they just used money from somewhere to get more salt and sand.
History always said we had the brunt of storms in Feb.; but this year we broke records already for Dec. & Jan.
Being retired, I dont feel it as much as I did when I had to travel by train or car to Manhattan to work. Many nights I remember standing in a basement boiler room waiting for ice to melt off to open our fire coats after putting out a fire.No big secret that firemen would fight each other to get into the rooms that were on fire to get close to the heat to stay warm. After the fire was out,the windows were broke, you froze your arses off.
I wouldn't trade those memories or experiences for anything, but I'm glad those days are over. I do feel for the guys now and Chicago where it gets down right nasty this time of year. Not much call for long underwear in LA I guess, but here you get it each Xmas as a present. LOL
Jets games get cold-it works well then too.

[CNorkusJr]

Word here in New York, That Thomas Adamek will announce tommorrow that he will fight Kevin McBride in April. Adamek wants the fight to happen in Newark, NJ to stay close to his training grounds.
McBride (35-8-1 w/29 KOs) stands 6'6 and will only be a test for Adamek (43-1 w/28 KOs)
who is still scheduled to fight the taller Vlad klitschko in Sept.
The fight particulars for McBride are still being worked out,and the contract should be signed soon. Adamek is still getting accustomed to the Heavyweight division. His previous heavy fights over Grant, Maddalone and now McBride can only be viewed as build ups to the Klitschko Championship.
An arguement can be made that Adamek is on his "Bum" of the month tour,but he is fighting every 2-3 months to test himself in his preparedness to fight Vlad.

[raylawpc]

Guys, we are getting hammered in Missouri by the weather. I'm in Monett where we have six inches of snow on the ground and another 6 inches forecast for this afternoon and tonight, and high winds of 20 to 30 mph. Sean emailed me and wrote it's the same thing in Oklahoma City.

Linda tells me that in St. Louis they have 3/4 inch of frozen sleet on the ground, and they are expecting 12 to 16 inches on top of it. I'm going to try and take some pictures of it tomorrow when it stops snowing, but I ain't going out in that mess today!!

How are you doing in NYC, Chuck?

New York news reports has your (St Louis) weather coming our way all day tommorrow(Wed).
Right now we have about a cumalative 3 feet of snow frozen on the ground here already over 3 good size storms.I'll see if I can post some pictures I took two days ago. We are expecting the ice to start in a couple of hours.1 to 2 inches then changing over to rain by mid-afternoon. What saves my ass most of the time is living by the ocean on the south shore. Thay say that the salt air sometimes has an effect on total accum. over lets say the North shore of Long Island.
My local county/town sanitation dept already exhausted its snow budget for the year and they just used money from somewhere to get more salt and sand.
History always said we had the brunt of storms in Feb.; but this year we broke records already for Dec. & Jan.
Being retired, I dont feel it as much as I did when I had to travel by train or car to Manhattan to work. Many nights I remember standing in a basement boiler room waiting for ice to melt off to open our fire coats after putting out a fire.No big secret that firemen would fight each other to get into the rooms that were on fire to get close to the heat to stay warm. After the fire was out,the windows were broke, you froze your arses off.
I wouldn't trade those memories or experiences for anything, but I'm glad those days are over. I do feel for the guys now and Chicago where it gets down right nasty this time of year. Not much call for long underwear in LA I guess, but here you get it each Xmas as a present. LOL
Jets games get cold-it works well then too.

I could use some long underwear here! The snow has stopped. (We ended up with "only" 9 inches in Monett), but we have 20 to 30 mph winds. Tonight our low will be 6 F and tomorrow night the low is forecast for -8 F. With these winds, the wind chill tomorrow will be -30F!!!

[raylawpc]

Was also reading in the boxers of the past forum, they were comparing Jimmy Young vs Joe Frazier, what a joke ! Jimmy Young was a hot and cold spoiler who could make an opponent look bad and he should have gotten the decision over Ali,but as far as comparing him to a prime Joe Frazier, only a cranberry could come up with that one.

Agreed! Can you imagine what Frazier would have done to him if Young had stuck his head out through the ropes like he did with Ali?

[bennie]

As Charley Norkus Junior revealed, Polish heavyweight sensation Tomasz Adamek warms up for a shot at Wladimir Klitschko when he meets Ireland's Kevin McBride in April, either in Poland or in his adopted home city of Newark in the United States.
Adamek, a former world light-heavyweight and cruiserweight champion, has carved out five impressive victories since moving up in 2009 and challenges Klitschko for the IBF and WBO heavyweight belts in Poland in September. The deal is done and Adamek sees McBride, a giant of a man from Clones, as the perfect loosener for the giant Klitschko.
McBride, of course, is best known for ending the career of Mike Tyson on a corner retirement back in 2005 in the States. He showed guts to survive the early onslaughts of Tyson, who was 38, and then thumped an exhausted Tyson around up to the retirement, at the end of the sixth round.
However, McBride was never able to build on that win and was stopped in six rounds by Poland's Andrew Golota in Madison Square Garden in 2007, a man subsequently stopped in five by Adamek, and took three years out before he was outscored by American journeyman Zack Page in an eight-rounder last July, after which he found himself scraping the barrel in Prizefighter, where he lost in the semis to 43-year-old Matt Skelton in October.
Now 37, McBride is strong but limited, the perfect foil for the quick, clever, accomplished Adamek.

[kikibalt]

Having my first cup of coffee at 3:38 in the AM....

[kikibalt]

Guys, we are getting hammered in Missouri by the weather. I'm in Monett where we have six inches of snow on the ground and another 6 inches forecast for this afternoon and tonight, and high winds of 20 to 30 mph. Sean emailed me and wrote it's the same thing in Oklahoma City.

Linda tells me that in St. Louis they have 3/4 inch of frozen sleet on the ground, and they are expecting 12 to 16 inches on top of it. I'm going to try and take some pictures of it tomorrow when it stops snowing, but I ain't going out in that mess today!!

How are you doing in NYC, Chuck?

I often wonder how people that live in the Upper Mid-West and places that get lots of snow for a good part of the year live their life's, like going to work/school, just doing everyday things, I been in places like that in the middle of a blizzard, but just for a few days, then I am back in sunny Southern California where if it dips below 50' we're freezing...just thinking...

[Rick Farris]

This morning I received an e-mail from our good friend & mentor Hap Navarro.
Hap promoted and publicized the great champ Manuel Ortiz:
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Just read the latest on your Forum so please accept a belated Happy Birthday frorm old Hap.
And friend Rick, don't ever lose that inner feeling you have for the boxers of another time before yours, my good buddy.
Someday it will all crystalize into factual reality. There has been no greater Mexican fighter than Manuel Ortiz. Trouble is he never thought of himself in those terms, and he was always the small town boy, a bit shy about leaving his roots for a better market.

I dare say I was richer for having known him and counted him as my friend.

Just as you are , too, Rick.

hap navarro

[kikibalt]

Its cold out there, freezing my butt of as I was setting the trash out for pick-up, hell, its only 50' out there!!, going to go under the blankets again!!

[scartissue]

Here in Chicago we are officially buried in snow. The blizzard that hit last night has immobilized the city. My area has reported 18 inches but the snowdrifts are well over 3-4 feet. Everything is closed, so I am off, going to have one more cup of joe and then I'm going to start shoveling my way out of the driveway. I rented a couple of DVDs last night for us since today is going to be a long one. What a morning! And it's still whiteout conditions.

Scartissue

[THEHAMMER321]

Good morning, just woke up, gonna get the coffee going, like you Frank I have only lived where it never gets real cold like they get back east and in the midwest, but 50 degrees is cold enough for me, I like it out here in the desert.

[kikibalt]

Here in Chicago we are officially buried in snow. The blizzard that hit last night has immobilized the city. My area has reported 18 inches but the snowdrifts are well over 3-4 feet. Everything is closed, so I am off, going to have one more cup of joe and then I'm going to start shoveling my way out of the driveway. I rented a couple of DVDs last night for us since today is going to be a long one. What a morning! And it's still whiteout conditions.

Scartissue

Take care and keep warm Dan....

[CNorkusJr]

Bennie-Credits to you my friend. You are the writer that is trying to get out my head and down my arms to write boxing articles. Kudos to you on the Adamek piece. Thank You.


Your paragraph on wondering what it is like to live in the cold climate,Frank ,brought this to mine. One of my best friends, Charlie Cariello,and I grew up together here in Wantagh.He was my best man at my first wedding. Same aged,we went to school together,jobs together, a tight thread through most of our early lives. One thing separated us by opinion. I didnt mind the cold-he hated it. Of all the jobs he ended up with-a mail carrier here in town. I watched for years as he would take whatever vacation or time coming to him and go to Florida or places warm every winter. He was a totally different man around here in the winter-bitter,always _itchin,simply hated the cold and snow. If a winter was very long like this one now-he would somehow twist his ankle on the ice and be out for whatever time bought him. If it was up to him- Nov. would go into March in one day.After 10 years of delivering mail, he found in town here a girl that ended up being dear to his heart. She was an office executive by trade. A professional corporate headhunter who would be brought into companies for the express purpose of downsizing them. The kind you would hate if you were a middle manager or company peon.
Her typical job with the company would last anywhere from 6 months to 2 years, and she had an agent that would negotiate her contracts for her jobs. She was paid high six figures(depending on length of service & size of company) for each of her jobs.Most of her companies she was brought into had multi-million dollar payrolls. She travelled the USA to her next appts.
As most of her work was in Chicago, New York city, or California-she came home one day and offered her husband Charlie-"which one would you like to move to"?
You all should know the answer to this one. They settled into Laguna Niguel,CA just about 15 years ago.He left his job as a mailman and became Mr. Mom to their children as she was the bacon earner. The role made him happy as a golfer in exclusive Country Clubs while the kids in school. He told me his next door neighbor was the guy who founded Grey Goose Vodka.You get the picture. Sad ending-Charlie developed a stong pain in his stomach 5 years ago.It was pancreas cancer and he passed just 3 months later.He is buried in a cemetary by Laguna- by the ocean and under a warm sun.

[kikibalt]

Good morning, just woke up, gonna get the coffee going, like you Frank I have only lived where it never gets real cold like they get back east and in the midwest, but 50 degrees is cold enough for me, I like it out here in the desert.

Good morning Paul. I too love the desert, also the mountains...

[CNorkusJr]

Here in Chicago we are officially buried in snow. The blizzard that hit last night has immobilized the city. My area has reported 18 inches but the snowdrifts are well over 3-4 feet. Everything is closed, so I am off, going to have one more cup of joe and then I'm going to start shoveling my way out of the driveway. I rented a couple of DVDs last night for us since today is going to be a long one. What a morning! And it's still whiteout conditions.

Scartissue

A friend in Lake Forest says he is snowed in and cant even see his car. I know that feeling this year. Stay warm.

Tom-That windchill is very dangerous. Hopefully you dont have to go out into it. The ice storm did NOT materialize for us that bad today. I swear it is the salt air. Just a small coating on everything and the schools were closed here for the umpteenth time this winter.My wife is home today because she works in an school for kids with autism.
Its raining, causing flooding because snow is blocking road drains. Suppose to go down to 20 degrees tonite making for free hockey rinks in the road.Everyone- Bring your ice skates-it will be fun.

[kikibalt]

Bennie-Credits to you my friend. You are the writer that is trying to get out my head and down my arms to write boxing articles. Kudos to you on the Adamek piece. Thank You.


Your paragraph on wondering what it is like to live in the cold climate,Frank ,brought this to mine. One of my best friends, Charlie Cariello,and I grew up together here in Wantagh.He was my best man at my first wedding. Same aged,we went to school together,jobs together, a tight thread through most of our early lives. One thing separated us by opinion. I didnt mind the cold-he hated it. Of all the jobs he ended up with-a mail carrier here in town. I watched for years as he would take whatever vacation or time coming to him and go to Florida or places warm every winter. He was a totally different man around here in the winter-bitter,always _itchin,simply hated the cold and snow. If a winter was very long like this one now-he would somehow twist his ankle on the ice and be out for whatever time bought him. If it was up to him- Nov. would go into March in one day.After 10 years of delivering mail, he found in town here a girl that ended up being dear to his heart. She was an office executive by trade. A professional corporate headhunter who would be brought into companies for the express purpose of downsizing them. The kind you would hate if you were a middle manager or company peon.
Her typical job with the company would last anywhere from 6 months to 2 years, and she had an agent that would negotiate her contracts for her jobs. She was paid high six figures(depending on length of service & size of company) for each of her jobs.Most of her companies she was brought into had multi-million dollar payrolls. She travelled the USA to her next appts.
As most of her work was in Chicago, New York city, or California-she came home one day and offered her husband Charlie-"which one would you like to move to"?
You all should know the answer to this one. They settled into Laguna Niguel,CA just about 15 years ago.He left his job as a mailman and became Mr. Mom to their children as she was the bacon earner. The role made him happy as a golfer in exclusive Country Clubs while the kids in school. He told me his next door neighbor was the guy who founded Grey Goose Vodka.You get the picture. Sad ending-Charlie developed a stong pain in his stomach 5 years ago.It was pancreas cancer and he passed just 3 months later.He is buried in a cemetary by Laguna- by the ocean and under a warm sun.

Thanks Charlie for your great piece on your friend. Another thing I do is stay as far inland as I can from the ocean....I live about twenty miles inland and that's not far inland for me.... :(

[CNorkusJr]

20 miles inland is nothing on this big giant earth. Your just 20 minutes from the big Pacific.
On my last visit to San Fran in 1988, we took a bus tour south to the Carmel, Pebble Beach,Monterey area along Hwy 1 , I think it is Hwy 1. Along the coast. We stopped briefly at an ocean overlook. Our tour guide said the the waves were particularly high that day. Looking down from a cliffside they looked average, until the guide said they were 40 footers. Where we were, no people on the beach below to give it a reference. 40 footers. Kowabunga dude !

I figure if the earth opens up a few miles off shore there, all of you are going to need surfboards.
Other than Hawaii, It was the most beautiful stretch of land I ever saw. A beautiful vista made even more nicer by the setting sun.

[bennie]

Bennie-Credits to you my friend. You are the writer that is trying to get out my head and down my arms to write boxing articles. Kudos to you on the Adamek piece. Thank You.


Your paragraph on wondering what it is like to live in the cold climate,Frank ,brought this to mine. One of my best friends, Charlie Cariello,and I grew up together here in Wantagh.He was my best man at my first wedding. Same aged,we went to school together,jobs together, a tight thread through most of our early lives. One thing separated us by opinion. I didnt mind the cold-he hated it. Of all the jobs he ended up with-a mail carrier here in town. I watched for years as he would take whatever vacation or time coming to him and go to Florida or places warm every winter. He was a totally different man around here in the winter-bitter,always _itchin,simply hated the cold and snow. If a winter was very long like this one now-he would somehow twist his ankle on the ice and be out for whatever time bought him. If it was up to him- Nov. would go into March in one day.After 10 years of delivering mail, he found in town here a girl that ended up being dear to his heart. She was an office executive by trade. A professional corporate headhunter who would be brought into companies for the express purpose of downsizing them. The kind you would hate if you were a middle manager or company peon.
Her typical job with the company would last anywhere from 6 months to 2 years, and she had an agent that would negotiate her contracts for her jobs. She was paid high six figures(depending on length of service & size of company) for each of her jobs.Most of her companies she was brought into had multi-million dollar payrolls. She travelled the USA to her next appts.
As most of her work was in Chicago, New York city, or California-she came home one day and offered her husband Charlie-"which one would you like to move to"?
You all should know the answer to this one. They settled into Laguna Niguel,CA just about 15 years ago.He left his job as a mailman and became Mr. Mom to their children as she was the bacon earner. The role made him happy as a golfer in exclusive Country Clubs while the kids in school. He told me his next door neighbor was the guy who founded Grey Goose Vodka.You get the picture. Sad ending-Charlie developed a stong pain in his stomach 5 years ago.It was pancreas cancer and he passed just 3 months later.He is buried in a cemetary by Laguna- by the ocean and under a warm sun.

You are a great writer, Charley. I always marvel at your great posts.

[kikibalt]

Bennie-Credits to you my friend. You are the writer that is trying to get out my head and down my arms to write boxing articles. Kudos to you on the Adamek piece. Thank You.


Your paragraph on wondering what it is like to live in the cold climate,Frank ,brought this to mine. One of my best friends, Charlie Cariello,and I grew up together here in Wantagh.He was my best man at my first wedding. Same aged,we went to school together,jobs together, a tight thread through most of our early lives. One thing separated us by opinion. I didnt mind the cold-he hated it. Of all the jobs he ended up with-a mail carrier here in town. I watched for years as he would take whatever vacation or time coming to him and go to Florida or places warm every winter. He was a totally different man around here in the winter-bitter,always _itchin,simply hated the cold and snow. If a winter was very long like this one now-he would somehow twist his ankle on the ice and be out for whatever time bought him. If it was up to him- Nov. would go into March in one day.After 10 years of delivering mail, he found in town here a girl that ended up being dear to his heart. She was an office executive by trade. A professional corporate headhunter who would be brought into companies for the express purpose of downsizing them. The kind you would hate if you were a middle manager or company peon.
Her typical job with the company would last anywhere from 6 months to 2 years, and she had an agent that would negotiate her contracts for her jobs. She was paid high six figures(depending on length of service & size of company) for each of her jobs.Most of her companies she was brought into had multi-million dollar payrolls. She travelled the USA to her next appts.
As most of her work was in Chicago, New York city, or California-she came home one day and offered her husband Charlie-"which one would you like to move to"?
You all should know the answer to this one. They settled into Laguna Niguel,CA just about 15 years ago.He left his job as a mailman and became Mr. Mom to their children as she was the bacon earner. The role made him happy as a golfer in exclusive Country Clubs while the kids in school. He told me his next door neighbor was the guy who founded Grey Goose Vodka.You get the picture. Sad ending-Charlie developed a stong pain in his stomach 5 years ago.It was pancreas cancer and he passed just 3 months later.He is buried in a cemetary by Laguna- by the ocean and under a warm sun.

You are a great writer, Charley. I always marvel at your great posts.

[CNorkusJr]

Thank you kindly.