Where would this upset rank?

[Diamond WEAPON]

It somewhat depends on the fashion. If it winds up being a two-sided war where Sugar Shane ultimately triumphs it's different than if Shane simply goes out and wastes Manny in a couple of rounds.

In the first case it would probably be the biggest since Mosley-Margarito, where people were worried about Margarito killing Mosley.

In the second case, I'd have to think about it a bit longer. Montiel-Hasegawa was a pretty big upset considering where both were at... Maybe Donaire-Darchinyan, because Vic looked like an absolute monster thrashing the whole Flyweight division including his brother Glen, and then BAM! Nonito shows up and outboxes and KOs him.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

To me it would be huge, I don't see Shane winning a round. He is totally shot. It would be way bigger than Mosley/Margarito. That fight was more a case of how fans overreact from one fight to the next and Vegas doesn't care enough about Boxing to really dig deep. I won money on that one, same as Hopkins/Pavlik.

This would be Douglas/Tyson like for me considering how used up Mosley is. But I would put a hole in my ceiling.

[Ilya Muromets]

Why is this on The Boxers of the Past board?

[SaadOffTheDeck]

He must be looking for educated opinions.

[Goodnight, Irene]

Why is this on The Boxers of the Past board?

You can't get credible discussion in Current Scene would be my guess.

[Ilya Muromets]

Why is this on The Boxers of the Past board?

You can't get credible discussion in Current Scene would be my guess.

Too true.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

If Pac lost to a guy Floyd toyed with, it would cease to be a mega fight.

[Goodnight, Irene]

If Pac lost to a guy Floyd toyed with, it would cease to be a mega fight.

As though it is going to happen anyway --- Mayweather won't have it regardless.

[chucktaylor]

To me, it would be the biggest since Lewis-Rachman I.
I would be pretty surprised to see Mosley take more than 2-3 rounds. Really, I think its more likely that he KO's Pacman than wins, say 4 rounds.
The one thing that makes this fight somewhat interesting is Pacquiao's porous defense coupled with Mosley's big punch, but I think Shane will have to corner him if he wants a chance and that's not too easy. Margo was able to do that and hurt Pacquiao at the end of the 6th or 7th round as I remember, so Mosley might find a home for some devastating punches and put him away, but not likely.

[Idisagree]

I'll be extremely surprise if Mosley wins more than 2 rounds and that is very unlikely. Mosley was very good between the years 1998 through 2001. That Mosley I would have betted on him to win against Pac. I don't even think that this well past his prime version of Mosley has a punchers chance. He'll be to slow for Pac. But again this is boxing and anything can happen so an upset would not be out of the realm of possibilities.

[perrycarter]

I, too, think this would be just as big as Tyson/Douglas.

That's ridiculous. Douglas was a 42 to 1 underdog against Tyson. Mosley is a 5 to 1 underdog. It's not even close. This would be an upset more along the lines of Klitschko vs. Sanders or Lewis vs. Rahman, surprising but not Earth-shattering.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

LOL, so you're setting personal odds for other posters? Vegas doesn't even remotely care about Boxing, the odds are often laughable. But that has nothing to do with the question posed.

I gave Douglas no chance and I give Shane the same.

[Diamond WEAPON]

I don't see it as Douglass-Tyson-like, because Douglass was seen as a perennial underachiever severely lacking in heart and dedication. Mosley is at least a has-been who had some highs and with his power at least has some history of perfoming at a high level and could "turn the clock back" one more time.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

He already turned back the clock. Douglas wasn't looked at as terribly as everyone makes him out to be now. Tyson was a monster, nobody gave Tubbs or Williams anymore of a chance than they did Douglas.

Shane couldn't beat Pac right now if they fought 10,000 times.

[Diamond WEAPON]

I, too, think this would be just as big as Tyson/Douglas.

That's ridiculous. Douglas was a 42 to 1 underdog against Tyson. Mosley is a 5 to 1 underdog. It's not even close. This would be an upset more along the lines of Klitschko vs. Sanders or Lewis vs. Rahman, surprising but not Earth-shattering.

Yeah, I see this as a huge upset. Douglas at least gave Tucker a tough fight before taking on Tyson. Tyson was considered unstoppable.

Mosley has been faded for years and Pacquiao is considered unstoppable. If Mosley were to KO Pacquiao within four rounds, there is no question, that it would rank among the biggest upsets of all-time.

Get your shit straight, dick face (this is Big BW ) DW should catch that reference. [Throws up Diamond sign]

So what you're saying is in posting "you will not lose, ever, fornicator"!?

[perrycarter]

I have a better analogy than Tyson vs. Douglas: Leonard vs. Hagler. Like Shane, most considered Leonard a washed up former great going against the #1 pound for pound guy. I think the odds for that were around 4-to-1 or 3-to-1. That is more in line with Pacquiao vs. Mosley.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Leonard had been off for a significant stretch, that's different than being shot. This will look like Holmes/Ali and after Shane gets decimated you will understand how monumental the upset would have been.

[Yes We Can]

I would be less shocked by a Mosely KO victory than i would a Mosely pts victory.

Mosely still packs a very big punch at 147 against a naturally smaller man, wether he still has it in him to cath Pacman is an entirely different matter. To beat him on the cards would be a totally jaw dropping moment in my opinion, and it would lead me to seriously question how far the boxing public had over estimated Pac, as has been mentioned Mosely should now be finished at top level boxing.

I would rank this in the Rahman / Lewis category personally if a KO was to happen, a shock to the system but not something totally inconcievable.

[Adamj1987]

a 12 round beat down with a KO when moseley wanted it would be or tyson-douglas proportions IMO but more likely a martinez-pavlik kind of upset

[perrycarter]

I would be less shocked by a Mosely KO victory than i would a Mosely pts victory.

Mosely still packs a very big punch at 147 against a naturally smaller man, wether he still has it in him to cath Pacman is an entirely different matter. To beat him on the cards would be a totally jaw dropping moment in my opinion, and it would lead me to seriously question how far the boxing public had over estimated Pac, as has been mentioned Mosely should now be finished at top level boxing.

I would rank this in the Rahman / Lewis category personally if a KO was to happen, a shock to the system but not something totally inconcievable.

What you and others don't seem to under stand is, Shane has been gradually fading for almost half a decade now. Take away the win against a plaster-less Margarito and there's nothing there. I agree, that a UD would be very shocking as well, but, going off pure shock value to the public and purists, seeing Manny getting iced in Round 3 or 4 would be the ultimate jaw-dropper.

Oh I understand. I have been hoping that Mosley would retire since 2005 when he looked beyond ordinary against David Estrada. I don't deny for a second that Shane is far past his best. He is clearly not the boxer he was when he was when he beat De La Hoya the first time.

What you don't seem to understand is that Mosley is a huge underdog at 5-to-1. He is expected to get trounced. 5-to-1 is a line that you could get for the worst NFL team vs. the Super Bowl champions.

Even though Mosley is past his prime, great old fighters can sometimes revert to form for one night. He is a smart, wily, and technically sound veteran. Add that to the fact that Mosley is naturally bigger, stronger, and tends to do well against aggressive fighters means that people can imagine a scenario where Mosley might win if all the stars align and Pacquiao has an off night. Nobody could fathom a scenario where Buster Douglas was even competitive with Tyson.

If Mosley knocked out Pacquiao we would all be shocked but would get over it and say that Manny was overrated within a month. When Douglas beat Tyson THE EARTH STOPPED SPINNING ON IT'S AXIS!!!

The comparison and magnitude of these upsets aren't close.

[perrycarter]

You know if you truly think that Mosley has as much of a chance as Douglas did you should lay some money down on Pacquiao because you can get great value for you bet. Pacquiao is listed at -675 on bodog. Put 3k on there and win the easiest $450 of your life.

Personally, I think the odds listed are just about right with them maybe giving Mosley too much credit by just a tad.

Corrie Sanders vs. Wladimir Klitschko is another upset that I would rank as about equal if Mosley pulls it off. Or even something like Larry Holmes over Ray Mercer.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

I don't bet odds like that, risking $3,000 for $450 is stupid however you feel about the fight. I did win money on Leonard/Hagler & Holmes/Mercer, so they fall way short in comparing them to my opinion. I picked both of them to win.

[perrycarter]

I don't bet odds like that, risking $3,000 for $450 is stupid however you feel about the fight. I did win money on Leonard/Hagler & Holmes/Mercer, so they fall way short in comparing them to my opinion. I picked both of them to win.

You think that if Mosley and Pacquiao fought 30 times (at least) Mosley would only win once. This is true since you say that this upset would be in the line of Tyson vs. Douglas.

(1/30)*(-3000) + (29/30)*(450) =
-100 + 435 = $335

Your expected value every time you placed this bet would be $335. That is an excellent expected value for a bet and therefore not a stupid bet at all. If you truly feel like Mosley has such a small shot (I personally don't feel this way) then you should make the bet and put your money where your mouth is. Otherwise you are exaggerating to be dramatic and I can't take you seriously.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Forgive me for not adjusting my betting strategies based on your insults. I don't bet on favorites, too much value on underdogs in combat sports.

I'm offering my opinion, to me it would be like Douglas/Tyson. To you it isn't, get on with your life.

[tennessee]

rocky returning to the ring at age 65 to topple wlad. would not be as far-fetched as mosley beating pacman. ref stops fight with shane covering up on ropes early.