Jake La Motta - Sugar Ray Robinson (DVD/Videos)?

[joeb_uk]

Hi, i downloaded a clip of the st valentines massacre which is like 2 minutes (but i havent been able to find anymore of either, of their fights against each other or other opponents). I am wondering if its possible to buy them anywhere, or download any?

Thanks alot!

[Boxer-Slugger]

Hi, i downloaded a clip of the st valentines massacre which is like 2 minutes (but i havent been able to find anymore of either, of their fights against each other or other opponents). I am wondering if its possible to buy them anywhere, or download any?

Thanks alot!

Sugar Ray Robinson and Jake Lamotta fights are very rare, i doubt that you'll be able to find that anywhere.

[joeb_uk]

Yep thats what i thought there is a dvd of those two (but i dont think it has much of the fights in it, its like 60 minutes i think).

[klompton]

the only fight that is known to exist is the sixth and final fight dubbed the St. Valentines day Massacre.

[We Wuz Robbed]

Wait a minute, here.

Yes, the LaMotta vs. Robinson fights are nowhere to be seen. The sixth one can be found easily in its entirety (ESPN Classic always shows it), but the other five fights between the two are nowhere to be found, however they do exist on film. LaMotta (and I'm sure the Robinson estate) has those fights on film. In his book "Raging Bull," LaMotta claims that he has the early fights against Robinson on film and I'm sure he does have raw footage filmed at the time by his people.

As to LaMotta fights and Robinson fights being rare, well, that is not the case at all. There are many, many Robinson fights to be found in their entirety. And that b.s. about no footage of Robinson as a welterweight exists, well, that is b.s. I (and I'm sure many others) have footage and clips of his welterweight fights and even footage of Robinson as an amateur! LaMotta fights may be hard to come by (they are out there), but Ray's fights are easy to find.

[Woller]

Highlight versions exists of the following Jake la Motta fights:
Marcel Cerdan
Eugene Hairston
N. Hayes 2nd
Bob Murphy 2nd
Billy Kilgore
Danny Nardico

Søren Woller

[klompton]

Wait a minute, here.

Yes, the LaMotta vs. Robinson fights are nowhere to be seen. The sixth one can be found easily in its entirety (ESPN Classic always shows it), but the other five fights between the two are nowhere to be found, however they do exist on film. LaMotta (and I'm sure the Robinson estate) has those fights on film. In his book "Raging Bull," LaMotta claims that he has the early fights against Robinson on film and I'm sure he does have raw footage filmed at the time by his people.

If those fights where ever filmed, which is up to debate, they arent in posession of either the Robinson estate or the LaMotta estate. Robinson's estate has been well picked over by collectors with no luck. LaMotta's ex-wife Vickie (now deceased) retained most of his memorabilia and was in contact with many collectors and she said she never had those films. LaMotta himself has been destitute several times since his career ended and thus its likely that if he ever posessed these films then he sold them. I say its up to debate that he posessed them because the passage you mention in Raging Bull where LaMotta states he has them was written to the effect of "I won those fights with Sugar Ray and I have the films to prove it..." He could have easily been trying to add weight to his argument.

As to LaMotta fights and Robinson fights being rare, well, that is not the case at all. There are many, many Robinson fights to be found in their entirety. And that b.s. about no footage of Robinson as a welterweight exists, well, that is b.s. I (and I'm sure many others) have footage and clips of his welterweight fights and even footage of Robinson as an amateur! LaMotta fights may be hard to come by (they are out there), but Ray's fights are easy to find.

This is correct. I wouldnt say MANY MANY fights exist complete but several do and while a few exist of his welterweight career, not many. People get confused because its not his welterweight career that is missing, its film footage of his great fights at welterweight. Handful of fights exist of Robinson as a welterweight (most of these fights actually occured over the 147 lb limit), and a few amateur fights exist (Robinson, looks awsome in these), but there really isnt much of an example of a prime Robinson being extended by a great fighter. There is footage of LaMotta from amateur to his last fight (just as there is of Robinson) but similarly there really isnt a great example of a prime LaMotta other than Cerdan fight and by that time LaMotta was already starting to fade a bit. There are a couple of film clips of pre-championship professional LaMotta but certainly nothing as compelling as his fights with Robinson.

[joeb_uk]

Wait a minute, here.

Yes, the LaMotta vs. Robinson fights are nowhere to be seen. The sixth one can be found easily in its entirety (ESPN Classic always shows it), but the other five fights between the two are nowhere to be found, however they do exist on film. LaMotta (and I'm sure the Robinson estate) has those fights on film. In his book "Raging Bull," LaMotta claims that he has the early fights against Robinson on film and I'm sure he does have raw footage filmed at the time by his people.

As to LaMotta fights and Robinson fights being rare, well, that is not the case at all. There are many, many Robinson fights to be found in their entirety. And that b.s. about no footage of Robinson as a welterweight exists, well, that is b.s. I (and I'm sure many others) have footage and clips of his welterweight fights and even footage of Robinson as an amateur! LaMotta fights may be hard to come by (they are out there), but Ray's fights are easy to find.

Thanks guys for the input! the 6th fight was the one i was looking for, i am in england so we dont have espn :( I am wondering whether there is anyway i could buy a recorded version on dvd?

[We Wuz Robbed]

Klopton,
Good info in your post. I kind of agree with you that if LaMotta did have footage of those early Robinson battles, then they would have appeared by now. The quote of his from "Raging Bull" that he won those fights and has the films to prove it may be, as you say, just something to bolster his argument. However, something gnaws at my mind that tells me that out of six fights, something had to be filmed by the camps of Robinson and LaMotta. Just had to.

Joeb UK,
There are many dealers who trade or sell fights on DVD. They are really cheap and the quality is usually fantastic. LaMotta/Robinson VI is a fight that every dealer has for sale. I don't know any UK dealers, but I'm 100% positive that you can find a few that will sell you Robinson/LaMotta VI. Just start Google searching. It's a fight worth owning.

[klompton]

Klopton,
Good info in your post. I kind of agree with you that if LaMotta did have footage of those early Robinson battles, then they would have appeared by now. The quote of his from "Raging Bull" that he won those fights and has the films to prove it may be, as you say, just something to bolster his argument. However, something gnaws at my mind that tells me that out of six fights, something had to be filmed by the camps of Robinson and LaMotta. Just had to.

Joeb UK,
There are many dealers who trade or sell fights on DVD. They are really cheap and the quality is usually fantastic. LaMotta/Robinson VI is a fight that every dealer has for sale. I don't know any UK dealers, but I'm 100% positive that you can find a few that will sell you Robinson/LaMotta VI. Just start Google searching. It's a fight worth owning.

I certainly hope your right. Maybe we will get lucky and some day it will be found. Stranger things by far have happened.

[joeb_uk]

Klopton,
Good info in your post. I kind of agree with you that if LaMotta did have footage of those early Robinson battles, then they would have appeared by now. The quote of his from "Raging Bull" that he won those fights and has the films to prove it may be, as you say, just something to bolster his argument. However, something gnaws at my mind that tells me that out of six fights, something had to be filmed by the camps of Robinson and LaMotta. Just had to.

Joeb UK,
There are many dealers who trade or sell fights on DVD. They are really cheap and the quality is usually fantastic. LaMotta/Robinson VI is a fight that every dealer has for sale. I don't know any UK dealers, but I'm 100% positive that you can find a few that will sell you Robinson/LaMotta VI. Just start Google searching. It's a fight worth owning.

Thats great to hear 8)

I would buy from someone in the usa anyway so not just looking for uk dealers (as i can play ntsc and have a multiregion player). Ill have a quick search now.

[mrbassie]

Klopton,
Good info in your post. I kind of agree with you that if LaMotta did have footage of those early Robinson battles, then they would have appeared by now. The quote of his from "Raging Bull" that he won those fights and has the films to prove it may be, as you say, just something to bolster his argument. However, something gnaws at my mind that tells me that out of six fights, something had to be filmed by the camps of Robinson and LaMotta. Just had to.

Joeb UK,
There are many dealers who trade or sell fights on DVD. They are really cheap and the quality is usually fantastic. LaMotta/Robinson VI is a fight that every dealer has for sale. I don't know any UK dealers, but I'm 100% positive that you can find a few that will sell you Robinson/LaMotta VI. Just start Google searching. It's a fight worth owning.

Thats great to hear 8)

I would buy from someone in the usa anyway so not just looking for uk dealers (as i can play ntsc and have a multiregion player). Ill have a quick search now.

We get espn classics on ch5 sometimes, I've got the highlights of Robinson v Lamotta which I taped off there but it's only about five rounds of the fight that are shown.

[joeb_uk]

Klopton,
Good info in your post. I kind of agree with you that if LaMotta did have footage of those early Robinson battles, then they would have appeared by now. The quote of his from "Raging Bull" that he won those fights and has the films to prove it may be, as you say, just something to bolster his argument. However, something gnaws at my mind that tells me that out of six fights, something had to be filmed by the camps of Robinson and LaMotta. Just had to.

Joeb UK,
There are many dealers who trade or sell fights on DVD. They are really cheap and the quality is usually fantastic. LaMotta/Robinson VI is a fight that every dealer has for sale. I don't know any UK dealers, but I'm 100% positive that you can find a few that will sell you Robinson/LaMotta VI. Just start Google searching. It's a fight worth owning.

Thats great to hear 8)

I would buy from someone in the usa anyway so not just looking for uk dealers (as i can play ntsc and have a multiregion player). Ill have a quick search now.

We get espn classics on ch5 sometimes, I've got the highlights of Robinson v Lamotta which I taped off there but it's only about five rounds of the fight that are shown.

Ill have to look out for that! is there a specific time/day they usually show the boxing classics?

[joeb_uk]

Although not fights, i managed to find some vids on the worldboxingvideoarchive

Sugar Ray Robinson - Bright Lights, Dark Shadows.avi.torrent
Boxing - Sugar Ray Robinson vs. Rocky Graziano.wmv.torrent (90 seconds)

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