Ed and I met at work in 1993. I was was washing my hands in the sink outside of the restrooms. It was the Friday before the Chavez - Whitaker fight. I was wearing tee shirt that had Chavez' picture and record on the back. He came up and asked if I followed boxing. We talked for a while and then I asked him if he was going to watch the fight. I forget the reason but he said no, so I invited him to watch it with me at my daughter's house.
I knew it was a match made in Heaven when we were equally in denial about the fight. It was years before we both reluctantly , somewhat agreed that Whitaker got the best of Chavez that night (I refuse to use the W word). My cousin David was watching the fight with us, he likes boxing but not in the same way. When the fight was over he thought Whitaker got the fight. I was aghast that a cousin of mine could actually voice such thing. I'm funny about certain fights and fighters. I still feel that Duran should have got a draw against Hearns. I knew they were going to use the fact that Hearns knocked out Duran as an excuse to give the fight to Hearns. (I'm joking of course) :P
Ed's a good friend. I wish him all the best today.
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kikibalt wrote:John Montes SR. Father of Herman and John JR. has passed. Our condolences to the Montes family....
I'm sorry to hear bout his passing. My condolences to his family. How great that he and his sons were all honored this year at the CBHOF. R.I.P. John Montes Sr.
My feelings too, Randy. That CBHOF award was timely.
Rick, it's a memory that his family won't soon forget. That's why the Hall of Fames, any of them, are so important.
Ed and I met at work in 1993. I was was washing my hands in the sink outside of the restrooms. It was the Friday before the Chavez - Whitaker fight. I was wearing tee shirt that had Chavez' picture and record on the back. He came up and asked if I followed boxing. We talked for a while and then I asked him if he was going to watch the fight. I forget the reason but he said no, so I invited him to watch it with me at my daughter's house.
I knew it was a match made in Heaven when we were equally in denial about the fight. It was years before we both reluctantly , somewhat agreed that Whitaker got the best of Chavez that night (I refuse to use the W word). My cousin David was watching the fight with us, he likes boxing but not in the same way. When the fight was over he thought Whitaker got the fight. I was aghast that a cousin of mine could actually voice such thing. I'm funny about certain fights and fighters. I still feel that Duran should have got a draw against Hearns. I knew they were going to use the fact that Hearns knocked out Duran as an excuse to give the fight to Hearns. (I'm joking of course) :P
Ed's a good friend. I wish him all the best today.
Ed and I met at work in 1993. I was was washing my hands in the sink outside of the restrooms. It was the Friday before the Chavez - Whitaker fight. I was wearing tee shirt that had Chavez' picture and record on the back. He came up and asked if I followed boxing. We talked for a while and then I asked him if he was going to watch the fight. I forget the reason but he said no, so I invited him to watch it with me at my daughter's house.
I knew it was a match made in Heaven when we were equally in denial about the fight. It was years before we both reluctantly , somewhat agreed that Whitaker got the best of Chavez that night (I refuse to use the W word). My cousin David was watching the fight with us, he likes boxing but not in the same way. When the fight was over he thought Whitaker got the fight. I was aghast that a cousin of mine could actually voice such thing. I'm funny about certain fights and fighters. I still feel that Duran should have got a draw against Hearns. I knew they were going to use the fact that Hearns knocked out Duran as an excuse to give the fight to Hearns. (I'm joking of course) :P
Ed's a good friend. I wish him all the best today.
Randyman wrote:
I'm sorry to hear bout his passing. My condolences to his family. How great that he and his sons were all honored this year at the CBHOF. R.I.P. John Montes Sr.
My feelings too, Randy. That CBHOF award was timely.
Rick, it's a memory that his family won't soon forget. That's why the Hall of Fames, any of them, are so important.
Your right Randy, they are important, and it's important for those of us who select Hall of Famers to do so in a timely fashion.
A perfect example is Bernard Docusen. Such a great boxer and family. The CBHOF honored him shortly before his death.
Ed and I met at work in 1993. I was was washing my hands in the sink outside of the restrooms. It was the Friday before the Chavez - Whitaker fight. I was wearing tee shirt that had Chavez' picture and record on the back. He came up and asked if I followed boxing. We talked for a while and then I asked him if he was going to watch the fight. I forget the reason but he said no, so I invited him to watch it with me at my daughter's house.
I knew it was a match made in Heaven when we were equally in denial about the fight. It was years before we both reluctantly , somewhat agreed that Whitaker got the best of Chavez that night (I refuse to use the W word). My cousin David was watching the fight with us, he likes boxing but not in the same way. When the fight was over he thought Whitaker got the fight. I was aghast that a cousin of mine could actually voice such thing. I'm funny about certain fights and fighters. I still feel that Duran should have got a draw against Hearns. I knew they were going to use the fact that Hearns knocked out Duran as an excuse to give the fight to Hearns. (I'm joking of course) :P
Ed's a good friend. I wish him all the best today.
Rick Farris wrote:
My feelings too, Randy. That CBHOF award was timely.
Rick, it's a memory that his family won't soon forget. That's why the Hall of Fames, any of them, are so important.
Your right Randy, they are important, and it's important for those of us who select Hall of Famers to do so in a timely fashion.
A perfect example is Bernard Docusen. Such a great boxer and family. The CBHOF honored him shortly before his death.
Rick Farris wrote:
Bennie that show was in production the day I started at Universal Studios.
A few days later, one of the stars of that show committed suicide, so I never had a chance to work on it.
I remember all the talk that went around the studio that day. Nobody could understand a successful, young actor taking his life like he did. Peter Duel (spelling?)
My collie has picked up a little, chaps. His spine is a worn-and-torn mess and he is still limping but I'm able to give him a short walk and his appetite is pretty much back, which makes it easier to get the medication in him. Hopefully he will keep improving.
"At the side of the ring sat Rick Farris, an American who had been a boxer. He had exchanged a few words with the challenger the previous day and had been taken by his prosaic grace. Now he looked at the scrawny body of the Welshman moving awkwardly in his corner and crossed his fingers. "
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Thought I would bump this, still worth buying. Rick, any more to say about the man?
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I agree that people should know more about Johnny Owen. He was such a gentleman. I was only twenty-eight when Johnny fought Pintor, just four years older than he was, yet, when I spoke with him, he addressed me as "sir", as in "yes sir", or "no sir".
I really didn't know Johnny Owen, and hadn't seen him fight before his tragic loss to Pintor. When I first laid eyes on him, at the weigh-in for the match, I was shocked he'd be going in against a a heavy handed slugger like the champion, who I knew was a devistating body puncher, like most of the best Mexican warriors.
I'd seen slender boxers before, like Danny Lopez and Frankie Duarte, however, they were both lean and wirey strong. Owens was so skinny, he looked emaciated, pale, almost as if he'd blow over in a storm. Of course, you could see this was a kid with great pride and courage, which made me pity him for the ass whipping I knew he was going to take.
I expected Lupe to blow him out in the opening round, or just carry him for a few rounds, before ending it at will. I wasn't surprised to see Johnny Owen fight with honor, however, like other over matched title challengers, such as Doo Koo Kim ( who died after a KO loss to Ray Mancini) and Jimmy Garcia (KO'ed by Gabe Ruelas), Owen fought beyond himself in an effort to beat the odds, and died as a result.
Boxers do something that other athletes don't do, and that's will themselves beyond the natural instinct of self preservation. Sometimes it pays off, but in the end, there is always a price that the body pays, even if it is not death.
Johnny Owen was such a unique personality, one that could have been a charactor in a Dickens novel. He was a charming personality, a man with class & courage, and I was touched by his grace, as author Rick Broadbent pointed out in his book. I was honored he'd consulted with me on this event, becasue it was one that I cannot forget. That frail looking body, just collapsing to the canvas for the last time.
Oddly, as I recently shared on our thread, Marty Denkin, the referee of the Pintor-Owen match, spoke with me about this, and other L.A. title fights that resulted in death, less than an hour before a young prelim fighter named Jackson Burcell would collapse and die, following a prelim match last summer.
I didn't speak at length with Denkin regarding the Owen fight, because he is a friend and I know he had taken heat for not stopping the match before it was too late. The fact is, Johnny Owen was still trying to win and punching back. There is a fine line between "giving a kid a chance" or stopping a match "too early". Referee Gwen Adair and I have had quite a few conversations about stoppages, and such.
Gwen said that the late L.A. referee Dick Young, told her when she first began officiating, that it was ALWAYS better to stop it "too early", than risk stopping it too late. The fans hate an early stoppage, but screw the fans. As Max Baer once said after being KO'ed by Joe Louis . . . "If I'm going to be executed in public, people are going to have to pay a helleva lot more than $25 for a ringside seat! (or something to that effect?)
Something to think about?
-Rick Farris
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Matt wrote:
I agree with you that if a ref is going to stop a fight - stop it early. Our enjoyment isnt worth someones serious injury/death.
Thanks very much for PM'ing me this, its great to hear more about what seems a remarkable man.
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Rick Broadbent's description of the hostile crowd at L.A.'s Olympic Auditorium was straight away. As an L.A. boxer, a white boxer who fought primarily Latino opposition, I was always treated with respect by the crowd, however, I was a local kid and I never challenged a Mexican World Champ for his title.
One thing I have seen up close, is how violent and explosive a crowd can be, especially a crowd dominated by Mexican Nationals who crossed the border to root for their heros. It's a reason to party and alcohol plays a big part. Fights break out in the audience, fire crackers are lit, somebody gets stabbed.
Much worse than the crowd attending the Pintor-Owen match, was one sixteen years earlier, when Flyweight champ, Hiroyuki Ebihara defeated Mexican Efren "Alacran" Torres, by narrow decision. The fans tore the Olympic Auditorium apart.
Same thing at the Forum in 1968, when bantam champ Lionel Rose came off the deck to get a close nod over favorite ChuCho Castillo. I was at that one, also. If you beat a Mexican champ via a narrow decision, in L.A., things could get ugly. Had Johnny Owen upset Pintor that night, Hell would have broken loose. Guaranteed!
The World Boxing Council has ordered the free negotiations period for the Vanes Martirosyan vs. Alfredo Angulo fight to determine the mandatory challenger in the WBC super welterweight division.
Martirosyan, a native of Armenia living in Glendale, California, (30-0-0 / 19 KOs) won the WBC super welterweight Silver Championship with a spectacular knockout against Saul Roman. Angulo, of Mexicali, Baja California (19-1-0 / 16 KOs), defeated Joachim Alcine in his last fight with an impressive first-round knockout.
If there is no agreement in the free negotiations period, a purse offer will be conducted at the WBC Executive Offices in Mexico City on August 19, 2011.
Other boxing news
Promoters, Gary Shaw and Ken Thompson have filed a breach of contract lawsuit against WBC/WBO junior welterweight champion Timothy Bradley for rejecting a big payday against Amir Khan and choosing to wait for his contract to expire. The Bradley camp believes he is a free agent.
COMMUNITY EVENTS Councilmember Richard Alarcón invites you to join him for a Mural Unveiling & Community Resources Fair * * City Resources * * Job Opportunities * * Food * * Music * * Special Guests include community leaders, entertainers & sports figures featured on the mural. The Pacoima Neighborhood City Hall includes beautiful mural by artist Ignacio Gomez, which pays tribute to the history and community leaders of the Northeast San Fernando Valley. On July 26, we will officially unveil the mural and recognize those who have helped shape the Northeast San Fernando Valley. For more information or to RSVP call the Pacoima Office at 818-485-0600. Tuesday, July 26, 2011, 5:00 PM – 8:00 PM. Pacoima Neighborhood City Hall 13520 Van Nuys Blvd. Pacoima, CA 91331.
Bobbie Chacon is on the special mural, unveiling today!
5:00 pm to 8:00 pm - see info above~~ Tuesday/July 26th
kikibalt wrote:Alfredo Angulo to Fight Vanes Martiosyan
The World Boxing Council has ordered the free negotiations period for the Vanes Martirosyan vs. Alfredo Angulo fight to determine the mandatory challenger in the WBC super welterweight division.
Martirosyan, a native of Armenia living in Glendale, California, (30-0-0 / 19 KOs) won the WBC super welterweight Silver Championship with a spectacular knockout against Saul Roman. Angulo, of Mexicali, Baja California (19-1-0 / 16 KOs), defeated Joachim Alcine in his last fight with an impressive first-round knockout.
If there is no agreement in the free negotiations period, a purse offer will be conducted at the WBC Executive Offices in Mexico City on August 19, 2011.
Other boxing news
Promoters, Gary Shaw and Ken Thompson have filed a breach of contract lawsuit against WBC/WBO junior welterweight champion Timothy Bradley for rejecting a big payday against Amir Khan and choosing to wait for his contract to expire. The Bradley camp believes he is a free agent.
One thing is certain, if the fight takes place it won't be in the United states.
Unless Angula is allowed tor return legally?
"El Pero" is a perfect ring name for Angulo. "El Pero con moscas".
kikibalt wrote:Alfredo Angulo to Fight Vanes Martiosyan
The World Boxing Council has ordered the free negotiations period for the Vanes Martirosyan vs. Alfredo Angulo fight to determine the mandatory challenger in the WBC super welterweight division.
Martirosyan, a native of Armenia living in Glendale, California, (30-0-0 / 19 KOs) won the WBC super welterweight Silver Championship with a spectacular knockout against Saul Roman. Angulo, of Mexicali, Baja California (19-1-0 / 16 KOs), defeated Joachim Alcine in his last fight with an impressive first-round knockout.
If there is no agreement in the free negotiations period, a purse offer will be conducted at the WBC Executive Offices in Mexico City on August 19, 2011.
Other boxing news
Promoters, Gary Shaw and Ken Thompson have filed a breach of contract lawsuit against WBC/WBO junior welterweight champion Timothy Bradley for rejecting a big payday against Amir Khan and choosing to wait for his contract to expire. The Bradley camp believes he is a free agent.
One thing is certain, if the fight takes place it won't be in the United states.
Unless Angula is allowed tor return legally?
"El Pero" is a perfect ring name for Angulo. "El Pero con moscas".
Rick, I think Angulo already fought in the US after the Mosley fight, I seem to recall he fought in Texas.
kikibalt wrote:Alfredo Angulo to Fight Vanes Martiosyan
The World Boxing Council has ordered the free negotiations period for the Vanes Martirosyan vs. Alfredo Angulo fight to determine the mandatory challenger in the WBC super welterweight division.
Martirosyan, a native of Armenia living in Glendale, California, (30-0-0 / 19 KOs) won the WBC super welterweight Silver Championship with a spectacular knockout against Saul Roman. Angulo, of Mexicali, Baja California (19-1-0 / 16 KOs), defeated Joachim Alcine in his last fight with an impressive first-round knockout.
If there is no agreement in the free negotiations period, a purse offer will be conducted at the WBC Executive Offices in Mexico City on August 19, 2011.
Other boxing news
Promoters, Gary Shaw and Ken Thompson have filed a breach of contract lawsuit against WBC/WBO junior welterweight champion Timothy Bradley for rejecting a big payday against Amir Khan and choosing to wait for his contract to expire. The Bradley camp believes he is a free agent.
One thing is certain, if the fight takes place it won't be in the United states.
Unless Angula is allowed tor return legally?
"El Pero" is a perfect ring name for Angulo. "El Pero con moscas".
Rick, I think Angulo already fought in the US after the Mosley fight, I seem to recall he fought in Texas.
I heard he was trying to fight there, must have missed it. I know Texas had no problem making the Pac-Margarito match.
Vanes isn't that great a fighter, but it does not take a great fighter to knock the fleas off this dog.
2010-07-17 153½ Joachim Alcine 153½ 32-1-0
Agua Caliente Casino, Rancho Mirage, California, United States W TKO 1 12
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According to Boxrec this is Angulo's last fight. One year ago, Rancho Mirage?
His next fight is scheduled for Baja.
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Rick Farris wrote:
One thing is certain, if the fight takes place it won't be in the United states.
Unless Angula is allowed tor return legally?
"El Pero" is a perfect ring name for Angulo. "El Pero con moscas".
Rick, I think Angulo already fought in the US after the Mosley fight, I seem to recall he fought in Texas.
I heard he was trying to fight there, must have missed it. I know Texas had no problem making the Pac-Margarito match.
Vanes isn't that great a fighter, but it does not take a great fighter to knock the fleas off this dog.
I might be wrong, maybe it was Marganito I was thinking about fighting in Texas. Hard to keep up with all this Mexicans fighters...
Rick Farris wrote:2010-07-17 153½ Joachim Alcine 153½ 32-1-0
Agua Caliente Casino, Rancho Mirage, California, United States W TKO 1 12
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According to Boxrec this is Angulo's last fight. One year ago, Rancho Mirage?
kikibalt wrote:
Rick, I think Angulo already fought in the US after the Mosley fight, I seem to recall he fought in Texas.
I heard he was trying to fight there, must have missed it. I know Texas had no problem making the Pac-Margarito match.
Vanes isn't that great a fighter, but it does not take a great fighter to knock the fleas off this dog.
I might be wrong, maybe it was Marganito I was thinking about fighting in Texas. Hard to keep up with all this Mexicans fighters...
I thought I heard something way back Angulo trying to get a fight in Texas? Maybe I'm thinking of something else too.
My problem isn't keeping track of Mexican fighters, my problem is trying to remember where I left my car keys?
Rick Farris wrote:2010-07-17 153½ Joachim Alcine 153½ 32-1-0
Agua Caliente Casino, Rancho Mirage, California, United States W TKO 1 12
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According to Boxrec this is Angulo's last fight. One year ago, Rancho Mirage?
