Lightweights: Henry Armstrong vs Roberto Duran
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elmersalsa
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Lightweights: Henry Armstrong vs Roberto Duran
Another entertaining scrap between two all-time lightweights. Both of them would not give a backward step and would be throwing lots of leather. Both had tremendous endurance, will and determination. Who wins?
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Goodnight, Irene
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Re: Lightweights: Henry Armstrong vs Roberto Duran
Duran KO1*
*Unless hes over-weight, under-trained, partied too hard, has some unexpected bowel movements, or just plain isnt as good as Armstrong (I like this last excuse best, myself).
Pending all of that, no one beats Duran.
*Unless hes over-weight, under-trained, partied too hard, has some unexpected bowel movements, or just plain isnt as good as Armstrong (I like this last excuse best, myself).
Pending all of that, no one beats Duran.
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Re: Lightweights: Henry Armstrong vs Roberto Duran
In a nutshell: I'd favour Duran based on skill. I'd have no issue with others favouring Armstrong based on strength/workrate.
It'd be a very close, fiercely contested fight either way.
It'd be a very close, fiercely contested fight either way.
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Re: Lightweights: Henry Armstrong vs Roberto Duran
This bout is going to come down to conditioning plain and simple, and no-one out-conditions Armstrong.
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SaadOffTheDeck
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Re: Lightweights: Henry Armstrong vs Roberto Duran
I like Duran in an insane war. Hank's face would be torn to shreds.
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Re: Lightweights: Henry Armstrong vs Roberto Duran
I like Duran here. Duran's stamina wouldn't let him down even against Armstrong and his sharper skills would allow him to score more rounds.
Re: Lightweights: Henry Armstrong vs Roberto Duran
It would be a war for sure, but Duran can't show Armstrong anything he hasn't already seen in his career. Henry won't fade in the second half like DeJesus, and he won't wait to get hit in the nutcup either. Armstrong wins a very hard fought battle something like 8-5-2.
Re: Lightweights: Henry Armstrong vs Roberto Duran
Seamus wrote:It would be a war for sure, but Duran can't show Armstrong anything he hasn't already seen in his career. Henry won't fade in the second half like DeJesus, and he won't wait to get hit in the nutcup either. Armstrong wins a very hard fought battle something like 8-5-2.
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elmersalsa
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Re: Lightweights: Henry Armstrong vs Roberto Duran
Duran upper-body strength and counterpunching abilities, at his very best, puts lots of dents in Armstrong's face. I don't think Henry has fought someone as great as Duran. Duran was a very complete fighter in my view. And Armstrong's work rate and going forward would be a feast for Duran. Duran by late KO or UD. It would be a great fight, no doubt about it.
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Re: Lightweights: Henry Armstrong vs Roberto Duran
elmersalsa wrote: I don't think Henry has fought someone as great as Duran.
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Re: Lightweights: Henry Armstrong vs Roberto Duran
You bastard. You beat me to itSaadOffTheDeck wrote:elmersalsa wrote: I don't think Henry has fought someone as great as Duran.![]()
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Re: Lightweights: Henry Armstrong vs Roberto Duran
I like em both. Armstrong was great, and I think he's going to spend a fair amount of time looking down at the winning man's shoes in any hypothetical fight with Roberto at lightweight.
Hey either of them can be argued to be the best at that weight class. Maybe Duran won't show him anything fundamentally that he hasn't seen before, but I have the suspicion that the judges score cards would be shown to be more favorable to Roberto in a pretty brutal bruiser of a contest.
I would not however be willing to bet on my suspicion. I'd rather just watch and see and perhaps learn.
Hey either of them can be argued to be the best at that weight class. Maybe Duran won't show him anything fundamentally that he hasn't seen before, but I have the suspicion that the judges score cards would be shown to be more favorable to Roberto in a pretty brutal bruiser of a contest.
I would not however be willing to bet on my suspicion. I'd rather just watch and see and perhaps learn.
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Re: Lightweights: Henry Armstrong vs Roberto Duran
and I will say it again...Henry has never fought someone as great as Duran.SaadOffTheDeck wrote:elmersalsa wrote: I don't think Henry has fought someone as great as Duran.![]()
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SaadOffTheDeck
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Re: Lightweights: Henry Armstrong vs Roberto Duran
Yeah, Sugar Ray Robinson couldn't carry Duran's jockstrap.
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elmersalsa
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Re: Lightweights: Henry Armstrong vs Roberto Duran
Robinson at the time was not at the peak of his powers, yet. In terms of technical skill at the time, 1942-43, Robinson was not the machine like let's say circa 1946 to 1951.SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Yeah, Sugar Ray Robinson couldn't carry Duran's jockstrap.
And oh yeah, I believe that Duran was great enough to beat him, like it or not.
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Re: Lightweights: Henry Armstrong vs Roberto Duran
I like everything you post, seriously, you're hilarious.elmersalsa wrote:Robinson at the time was not at the peak of his powers, yet. In terms of technical skill at the time, 1942-43, Robinson was not the machine like let's say circa 1946 to 1951.SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Yeah, Sugar Ray Robinson couldn't carry Duran's jockstrap.
And oh yeah, I believe that Duran was great enough to beat him, like it or not.
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Re: Lightweights: Henry Armstrong vs Roberto Duran
The same thing you say that Chavez has not beaten nobody as good as Oscar. My view makes better sense than yours.SaadOffTheDeck wrote:I like everything you post, seriously, you're hilarious.elmersalsa wrote:Robinson at the time was not at the peak of his powers, yet. In terms of technical skill at the time, 1942-43, Robinson was not the machine like let's say circa 1946 to 1951.SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Yeah, Sugar Ray Robinson couldn't carry Duran's jockstrap.
And oh yeah, I believe that Duran was great enough to beat him, like it or not.
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Re: Lightweights: Henry Armstrong vs Roberto Duran
You never came up with anyone better, oh yeah, Juan laporte!elmersalsa wrote:The same thing you say that Chavez has not beaten nobody as good as Oscar. My view makes better sense than yours.SaadOffTheDeck wrote:I like everything you post, seriously, you're hilarious.elmersalsa wrote: Robinson at the time was not at the peak of his powers, yet. In terms of technical skill at the time, 1942-43, Robinson was not the machine like let's say circa 1946 to 1951.
And oh yeah, I believe that Duran was great enough to beat him, like it or not.
Re: Lightweights: Henry Armstrong vs Roberto Duran
Elmersalsa, you might want to look at Sammy Angott, Baby Arizmendi, Lou Ambers and Barney Ross.
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Re: Lightweights: Henry Armstrong vs Roberto Duran
He really doesnt :)DaveBoyMorrison wrote:Elmersalsa, you might want to look at Sammy Angott, Baby Arizmendi, Lou Ambers and Barney Ross.
Its Hands Of Stones Hit Parade every time he posts.
Re: Lightweights: Henry Armstrong vs Roberto Duran
Goodnight, Irene wrote:He really doesnt :)DaveBoyMorrison wrote:Elmersalsa, you might want to look at Sammy Angott, Baby Arizmendi, Lou Ambers and Barney Ross.
Its Hands Of Stones Hit Parade every time he posts.
Everyone has their favourites.
Armstrong happens to be one of mine. I think he beats Duran 4 out of five fights. His left hook was much busier than DeJesus'.
Re: Lightweights: Henry Armstrong vs Roberto Duran
What didn't Henry Armstrong do better than DeJesus ?
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SaadOffTheDeck
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Re: Lightweights: Henry Armstrong vs Roberto Duran
DaveBoyMorrison wrote:Goodnight, Irene wrote:He really doesnt :)DaveBoyMorrison wrote:Elmersalsa, you might want to look at Sammy Angott, Baby Arizmendi, Lou Ambers and Barney Ross.
Its Hands Of Stones Hit Parade every time he posts.
Everyone has their favourites.D
Duran is one of mine, that doesn't mean you have to lick his posters. I really like Roberto in this match up, but to discredit a career like Armstrong's by pretending he never met Duran's equal is alarmingly pathetic. Obviously that isn't what you're doing, but take Elmer for his comedic genius and enjoy the ride.
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Re: Lightweights: Henry Armstrong vs Roberto Duran
Bah, neither Duran nor Armstrong could carry the jocks of my mythical top 1,000.SaadOffTheDeck wrote:DaveBoyMorrison wrote:Goodnight, Irene wrote: He really doesnt :)
Its Hands Of Stones Hit Parade every time he posts.
Everyone has their favourites.D
Duran is one of mine, that doesn't mean you have to lick his posters. I really like Roberto in this match up, but to discredit a career like Armstrong's by pretending he never met Duran's equal is alarmingly pathetic. Obviously that isn't what you're doing, but take Elmer for his comedic genius and enjoy the ride.
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SaadOffTheDeck
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Re: Lightweights: Henry Armstrong vs Roberto Duran
Lucky for them neither ran into the likes of Juan Laporte or Marty Jakubowski.