floyd vs ??

[tommo100]

fed up with my younger workmates insistence that floyd mayweather is the best fighter ever,myself and another colleague tried to educate him that boxing did`nt start when floyd first appeared
despite me describing how tommy hearns would decapitate him and my other older colleague saying sugar ray robinson would retire him permanently,his youthfull ignorance would not be moved
question is,how would floyd do against
ray leonard
benitez
robinson
hearns
duran
henry armstrong

[Goodnight, Irene]

He would not beat any of those guys --- fights with those men would certainly prove to your friend Mayweather isnt the greatest, but its no knock to lose to those names.

['Frilla]

I think your mate needs to jump on youtube and watch the Fab4 doc, and just one fight of each of these guys.

Duran, Benitez and Armstrong beat Floyd at any weight, too much pressure for Floyd i reckon, and these guys will apply from round 1 to 15.

Leonard, Robinson and Hearns all have a size advantage(my opinion is not based on size btw), and would break Floyd apart, and in my opinion, anything Floyd can do, these blokes can do better.

Hearns would be bad news for Floyd.

[elmersalsa]

I don't know if Floyd could be those guys...Maybe he could beat Armstrong by UD by not giving Henry a fight by running and going side to side. Would Henry cut off the ring? I don't think so.

With Benitez? Benitez at his best would beat him. So all the others greats like Duran, Leonard, Hearns and Robinson.

[big train express]

fed up with my younger workmates insistence that floyd mayweather is the best fighter ever,myself and another colleague tried to educate him that boxing did`nt start when floyd first appeared
despite me describing how tommy hearns would decapitate him and my other older colleague saying sugar ray robinson would retire him permanently,his youthfull ignorance would not be moved
question is,how would floyd do against
ray leonard
benitez
robinson
hearns
duran
henry armstrong

on that list he would probably have the best chance beating duran, benitez, and armstrong. he for sure would lose to hearns, leonard, and robinson, no doubt in my mind

[SaadOffTheDeck]

I don't know if Floyd could be those guys...Maybe he could beat Armstrong by UD by not giving Henry a fight by running and going side to side. Would Henry cut off the ring? I don't think so.

[Tomasino]

I don't know if Floyd could be those guys...Maybe he could beat Armstrong by UD by not giving Henry a fight by running and going side to side. Would Henry cut off the ring? I don't think so.

With Benitez? Benitez at his best would beat him. So all the others greats like Duran, Leonard, Hearns and Robinson.

Ah, one of the skills around today that was not "known" in Armstrongs time?

I can picture Henry following Floyd around, leading with his face a la another ATG, John Duddy.

[Goodnight, Irene]

Just another guy the greatest boxer ever couldnt hang with, eh Elmo?

[Ezzard]

I'd make Floyd favourite over Benitez. He would, most likely, be in better shape than El Radar.

Duran pre-Montreal would win.

I'd like to see Floyd in with Don Curry. Floyd has been more consistent but I think Curry would beat him.

[Jaywheel]

I don't know if Floyd could be those guys...Maybe he could beat Armstrong by UD by not giving Henry a fight by running and going side to side. Would Henry cut off the ring? I don't think so.

With Benitez? Benitez at his best would beat him. So all the others greats like Duran, Leonard, Hearns and Robinson.

Ah, one of the skills around today that was not "known" in Armstrongs time?
I can picture Henry following Floyd around, leading with his face a la another ATG, John Duddy.

[mrbassie]

You have to question how he'd do against a younger DLH and Mosely, as well as Quartey and Trinidad. You really don't have to go as far back as the eighties let alone the forties to make the point.

[Tomasino]

You have to question how he'd do against a younger DLH and Mosely, as well as Quartey and Trinidad. You really don't have to go as far back as the eighties let alone the forties to make the point.

[elmersalsa]

Just another guy the greatest boxer ever couldnt hang with, eh Elmo?

Mayweather would have too much skills for Armstrong, too. Armstrong was too one dimensional. That is not good for a complete fighter like Floyd.

[Tomasino]

Just another guy the greatest boxer ever couldnt hang with, eh Elmo?

Mayweather would have too much skills for Armstrong, too. Armstrong was too one dimensional. That is not good for a complete fighter like Floyd.

How about Jose Luis Castillo, does he beat the Great Henry Armstrong?

[Diamond WEAPON]

You have to question how he'd do against a younger DLH and Mosely, as well as Quartey and Trinidad. You really don't have to go as far back as the eighties let alone the forties to make the point.

The guys in the 40's likely never would've fought at Welter in the modern age, size alone would have somebody like DLH turning Armstrong's face into taco meat.

[dempseyfire]

You have to question how he'd do against a younger DLH and Mosely, as well as Quartey and Trinidad. You really don't have to go as far back as the eighties let alone the forties to make the point.

The guys in the 40's likely never would've fought at Welter in the modern age, size alone would have somebody like DLH turning Armstrong's face into taco meat.

THe fact that Oscar gained water weight after the weigh in in his 147 lb fights doesn't mean the guy was a middleweight in the old days. Hell, in his early-mid 20s the guy was fighting at 135 . . .Ceferino Garcia was naturally bigger than Oscar.

[Tomasino]

You have to question how he'd do against a younger DLH and Mosely, as well as Quartey and Trinidad. You really don't have to go as far back as the eighties let alone the forties to make the point.

The guys in the 40's likely never would've fought at Welter in the modern age, size alone would have somebody like DLH turning Armstrong's face into taco meat.

Did Elmer hack your account?

[IKSRTFO]

Based on his fight with Castillo and Cotto, I'm not sure he beats Chavez Sr. who was better than those two in cutting off the ring.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

The Cotto fight was at 154, how does that make you think of Chavez?

[IKSRTFO]

The Cotto fight was at 154, how does that make you think of Chavez?

1. Cotto is just 154 in weight. And even then, he's the smallest of the current 154lb threats. Height and reachwise, Cotto is the same size as Chavez. Chavez is 5'7 with 66 reach. Cotto is 5'7 with a 67 reach. Cotto only moved up because there's no way he was dominating 147.
2. 140lb Chavez is a better and probably harder body puncher than 154lb Cotto
3. 140lb Chavez has a better chin than a 154lb Cotto..
4. Cotto isn't the best at 154. be He's beaten no one to be the top guy at 154. Cotto probably can't beat Angulo, Kirkland or even Alvarez. He's only getting hype because of the Floyd fight. Two weeks ago, most people say he lose to those guys.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

The Cotto fight was at 154, how does that make you think of Chavez?

1. Cotto is just 154 in weight. And even then, he's the smallest of the current 154lb threats. Height and reachwise, Cotto is the same size as Chavez. Chavez is 5'7 with 66 reach. Cotto is 5'7 with a 67 reach. Cotto only moved up because there's no way he was dominating 147.
2. 140lb Chavez is a better and probably harder body puncher than 154lb Cotto
3. 140lb Chavez has a better chin than a 154lb Cotto..
4. Cotto isn't the best at 154. be He's beaten no one to be the top guy at 154. Cotto probably can't beat Angulo, Kirkland or even Alvarez. He's only getting hype because of the Floyd fight. Two weeks ago, most people say he lose to those guys.

1. Cotto was 160+ in weight, much bigger than Chavez could ever be. Sergio Martinez is 5'10 with a 75' reach. David Tua is 5'10 with a 70' reach. What's your point again? LOL

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3. Why is it all about Cotto and your never ending crusade against him at 154? Is 154 Mayweather's best weight? Did Chavez ever fight there? Do you wake up in the middle of the night in a cold sweat screaming nonsensical blubber about how everyone thought Cotto sucked 2 weeks ago? This is the most bizarre obsession I think I've ever seen and it has nothing to do with this thread.

4. More irrelevant garbage, I've already embarrassed you over this in CS to the point that you crawled back under your rock there, just let it go and leave this to the people that actually know the sport.

[IKSRTFO]

The Cotto fight was at 154, how does that make you think of Chavez?

1. Cotto is just 154 in weight. And even then, he's the smallest of the current 154lb threats. Height and reachwise, Cotto is the same size as Chavez. Chavez is 5'7 with 66 reach. Cotto is 5'7 with a 67 reach. Cotto only moved up because there's no way he was dominating 147.
2. 140lb Chavez is a better and probably harder body puncher than 154lb Cotto
3. 140lb Chavez has a better chin than a 154lb Cotto..
4. Cotto isn't the best at 154. be He's beaten no one to be the top guy at 154. Cotto probably can't beat Angulo, Kirkland or even Alvarez. He's only getting hype because of the Floyd fight. Two weeks ago, most people say he lose to those guys.

1. Cotto was 160+ in weight, much bigger than Chavez could ever be. Sergio Martinez is 5'10 with a 75' reach. David Tua is 5'10 with a 70' reach. What's your point again? LOL

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3. Why is it all about Cotto and your never ending crusade against him at 154? Is 154 Mayweather's best weight? Did Chavez ever fight there? Do you wake up in the middle of the night in a cold sweat screaming nonsensical blubber about how everyone thought Cotto sucked 2 weeks ago? This is the most bizarre obsession I think I've ever seen and it has nothing to do with this thread.

4. More irrelevant garbage, I've already embarrassed you over this in CS to the point that you crawled back under your rock there, just let it go and leave this to the people that actually know the sport.

So remind us why Cotto is the best at 154lbs again? And explain how beating Yuri Foreman, Margarito and Mayorga would make Cotto a legititmate fighter at 154?

[Diamond WEAPON]

The point he's trying to make is Cotto is simply a much bigger specimen than Chavez and that partially makes up for his lesser skills and physicality in a P4P sense, especially because there is no P4P when you're talking about a pretty same-sized Mayweather between LWW and LMW versions. Chavez could make 140 or well under 147 all day every day while even in his earliest fights Cotto was pissing, sweating, and shitting then fasting like a maniac trying to make 140.

In any case I have always favored the prime 130-140 Chavez over Mayweather. By the time he was campaigning at 147 where Floyd was getting into his prime he was too faded to win IMO.

If however you put the absolute best matched versions of these two against each other (140 Chavez vs. 147 Floyd) I think you get a very even fight where I think Chavez gets the nod with his workrate and good body punching.

[IKSRTFO]

The point he's trying to make is Cotto is simply a much bigger specimen than Chavez and that partially makes up for his lesser skills and physicality in a P4P sense, especially because there is no P4P when you're talking about a pretty same-sized Mayweather between LWW and LMW versions. Chavez could make 140 or well under 147 all day every day while even in his earliest fights Cotto was pissing, sweating, and shitting then fasting like a maniac trying to make 140.

In any case I have always favored the prime 130-140 Chavez over Mayweather. By the time he was campaigning at 147 where Floyd was getting into his prime he was too faded to win IMO.

If however you put the absolute best matched versions of these two against each other (140 Chavez vs. 147 Floyd) I think you get a very even fight where I think Chavez gets the nod with his workrate and good body punching.

My case is that cutting off the ring is a skill and doesn't always involve size. Chavez would be much better at trapping Floyd and he was miles better than Cotto in his defense where he could avoid even the low percentage of punches Floyd landed on Cotto. Chavez is also faster than Cotto and I take a 130lb chin of Chavez over a 154lb chin of Cotto any day. Cotto is bigger but then what? He doesn't even have the chin to match his size. People will see the truth when Cotto decides to fight a top 5 154lber in his next fight and get sparked out quick.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

The point he's trying to make is Cotto is simply a much bigger specimen than Chavez and that partially makes up for his lesser skills and physicality in a P4P sense, especially because there is no P4P when you're talking about a pretty same-sized Mayweather between LWW and LMW versions. Chavez could make 140 or well under 147 all day every day while even in his earliest fights Cotto was pissing, sweating, and shitting then fasting like a maniac trying to make 140.

In any case I have always favored the prime 130-140 Chavez over Mayweather. By the time he was campaigning at 147 where Floyd was getting into his prime he was too faded to win IMO.

If however you put the absolute best matched versions of these two against each other (140 Chavez vs. 147 Floyd) I think you get a very even fight where I think Chavez gets the nod with his workrate and good body punching.

My case is that cutting off the ring is a skill and doesn't always involve size. Chavez would be much better at trapping Floyd and he was miles better than Cotto in his defense where he could avoid even the low percentage of punches Floyd landed on Cotto. Chavez is also faster than Cotto and I take a 130lb chin of Chavez over a 154lb chin of Cotto any day. Cotto is bigger but then what? He doesn't even have the chin to match his size. People will see the truth when Cotto decides to fight a top 5 154lber in his next fight and get sparked out quick.

Cotto and a 35 year old Floyd have nothing to do with this thread. If mid-30 Jr Middle fights was the topic than Floyd beats the shit out of Leonard. You're obsessed with all things Cotto these days because of your lust for Pacquiao. It's pathetic.

If Chavez fought this version of Mayweather he wouldn't need to cut off the ring. Floyd would push him around like Whitaker did.

If you stuck Chavez in the ring with Cotto last week he would have been mutilated. Not because Miguel is a greater fighter, because he was a Super Middleweight. Nobody sparks Cotto out quick, but I don't expect anything less out of you. Take your trolling back to CS.