I give Sanchez a better shot at beating Arguello than most probably do.elmersalsa wrote:I imagine if he would have unified the feather crown against the great Eusebio Pedroza and beat him. Then jump to 135lbs and challenge the great Alexis Arguello or Ray "Boom Boom" Mancini and then wait for a showdown down the road with the great Julio Cesar Chavez sowhere at 130lbs or at lightweight around 1985. It would be mindbogling that in 1985 or 1986 he would have still be under 30 years old! I imagine if he would have beaten all those great fighters. We probably would have called him the best ever or something close to it.
Seamus wrote:Salvador Sanchez is one of my alltime favorites, but despite his tremendous skills, he could at times fight at a rather laid back pace. For instance, I thought he could have ended the fight with Azumah Nelson well before the final rd (How many times did Nelson's legs go wobbly before the 15th) but instead he chose to relax and not press the matter to the final rd, then suddenly dispatched Nelson with relative ease.
BoxBuzz wrote:I remember that fight with Azumah Nelson. WOW, what a scrap!! Sanchez, had already been recognized to be a great champion, basically "discovers" another fighter of almost equal caliber. That's what boxing is supposed to be about!!
Sanchez always reminded me of a cat playing with a wounded mouse. He'd slap an opponent around for rounds when he could have gone for the kill earlier.BoxBuzz wrote:Seamus wrote:Salvador Sanchez is one of my alltime favorites, but despite his tremendous skills, he could at times fight at a rather laid back pace. For instance, I thought he could have ended the fight with Azumah Nelson well before the final rd (How many times did Nelson's legs go wobbly before the 15th) but instead he chose to relax and not press the matter to the final rd, then suddenly dispatched Nelson with relative ease.
I always thought that Sanchez operated in the Mode of Monzon.....via: why put your victim out of his misery and end the fun? Once he goes down, there is no one left to beat on....lol.
aye, true, though i think as much credit needs to go to Nelson as a future ATG with superb physical tools who gave an almost psychotically-intense and energetic performance in the first half of the fight, as to Sanchez's somewhat pedestrian pace in the early half of the fight. even in the later rounds when Sanchez was taking over Nelson still came roaring back from time to time. but absolutely, by the end, it looked like Nelson was on borrowed time- his jaw looked like it had lost repeated arguments with Andre Ward's head, it was grotesquely swollen. one of my top 15 or 20 alltime fights. i think I'll stick it on tonight, actually.Seamus wrote:I don't believe that Salvador Sanchez had already past his peak at the time of his tragic death. It was only 11 months since his career defining win over Wilfredo Gomez, and while his last 3 defenses had all gone into the 15th rd, I think some clarification is required. Pat Cowdell turned in a brave performance and at times frustrated Sanchez with a very good jab, but he barely survived to the final bell, and the one judge having him winning by a pt was just plain ridiculous. That was not a close fight in my opinion. I had Azumah Nelson ahead of Sanchez by 1 pt going into the final rd, but much of that can be attributed to Salvador's snooze alarm not going off till the 6th rd. After that it was an entirely different fight, with Nelson looking very vulnerable at times. When Sanchez decided to wrap things up in the 15th it was very clear it was all over for Nelson.
Counter-puncher wrote:aye, true, though i think as much credit needs to go to Nelson as a future ATG with superb physical tools who gave an almost psychotically-intense and energetic performance in the first half of the fight, as to Sanchez's somewhat pedestrian pace in the early half of the fight. even in the later rounds when Sanchez was taking over Nelson still came roaring back from time to time. but absolutely, by the end, it looked like Nelson was on borrowed time- his jaw looked like it had lost repeated arguments with Andre Ward's head, it was grotesquely swollen. one of my top 15 or 20 alltime fights. i think I'll stick it on tonight, actually.Seamus wrote:I don't believe that Salvador Sanchez had already past his peak at the time of his tragic death. It was only 11 months since his career defining win over Wilfredo Gomez, and while his last 3 defenses had all gone into the 15th rd, I think some clarification is required. Pat Cowdell turned in a brave performance and at times frustrated Sanchez with a very good jab, but he barely survived to the final bell, and the one judge having him winning by a pt was just plain ridiculous. That was not a close fight in my opinion. I had Azumah Nelson ahead of Sanchez by 1 pt going into the final rd, but much of that can be attributed to Salvador's snooze alarm not going off till the 6th rd. After that it was an entirely different fight, with Nelson looking very vulnerable at times. When Sanchez decided to wrap things up in the 15th it was very clear it was all over for Nelson.
And none of those comments addresses my point.orbtastic wrote:There was talk of a Sanchez fight in the press after he beat Elizondo then again after he beat Busceme. His manager (Bill Miller) even discussed this in the post-fight press conference.
Sanchez himself called him out in the press in May "The reason I fight is to beat three champions: Danny Lopez, Wilfredo Gomez and Alexis Arguello. Two have been done". Three months later he was dead.
I stated that "Sanchez would not have fought Arguello."orbtastic wrote:Well no, you categorically stated that he would not fight him.
He could have, in that time frame I mentioned.
Obviously he didn't, so it's moot.
The only thing you said about Elizondo was that there was "talk in the press" about Sanchez's fighting Arguello. You also said that Miller mentioned it at a post-fight press conference after Busceme and that Sanchez called out Arguello in May 1982. Arguello by then had his sights set on a fellow named Pryor. Sanchez obviously was keeping active, too, by fighting Nelson (originally was supposed to have been Miranda) and Laporte. In other words, he and Arguello were three divisions apart.orbtastic wrote:Elizondo was in 1981.
