MIKE TYSON

[dalcumly]

In recent months I've read about Tyson starring on his own Broadway show, he's attended functions in the UK and last week I saw him in the Flintoff documentary. He's been treated as if he's a God! This is the man who's wasted a billion US dollars, a fraction of which could have been put to good use helping the poor in his own backyard in Brownsville. He's a convicted rapist and I think he's also a racist. Was the colour of Bill Cayton and Kevin Rooney's skin anything to do with them being sacked after they took him to the top ? He's also bordering on being a paedophile if we've to believe why Teddy Atlas put a gun to his head. He surrounded himself with the most evil, selfish people you could ever meet, including Mike McCallum, and I personally watched them in action when he was in Glasgow for the Saverese fight.
Great fighter in his early days but once people like Holyfield showed up , who could not be intimidated, his bubble burst, and the playground bully was put in his place!
God like figure? - don't make me laugh! I often wonder if Desiree Washington is still traumatised. That's a name his advisors will not allow to be brought up in any question and answer session. Leopards don't change their spots and the whole concept of rehabilitation is a social myth. People just move on to different crimes as they get older.

[TopGun]

You just found him in bed with your Mrs or somehting? Give the guy a break! IMO Tyson is arguably the greatest boxer of all time. As a boxer and an athlete, he was immense!!

[Counter-puncher]

Mike McCallum is evil? explain?

[JLP]

Mike (Tyson) is now what he's been since he was 18: a walking, talking meal ticket. Obviously at his zenith that meal ticket fed the holders better that it does now but it'll be worth having a piece of for the rest of his days.

@TopGun, I liked watching Tyson as much as the next man but you could argue every day of your life that he was the greatest boxer of all time and you'd be way wrong every single time. He's not even remotely close.

[TopGun]

@TopGun, I liked watching Tyson as much as the next man but you could argue every day of your life that he was the greatest boxer of all time and you'd be way wrong every single time. He's not even remotely close.[/quote]



Tell me a quicker heavy weight to ever grace the sport? Head movements and power shots in the HW division have never been matched. I just don't think you will ever see another fighter at 5ft 10in do something like that ever again in the HW division! Personally seeing what Chisora did to Vitali makes me think that Tyson would destroy Vitali if both were in their peaks......but I guess I could carry on saying this every day of my life. Do I think he is the greatest boxer of all time. No I don't think he is but arguably could be. One things is for sure you could never leave him out of a discussion if that was the subject!

[Counter-puncher]

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Tell me a quicker heavy weight to ever grace the sport? Head movements and power shots in the HW division have never been matched. I just don't think you will ever see another fighter at 5ft 10in do something like that ever again in the HW division! Personally seeing what Chisora did to Vitali makes me think that Tyson would destroy Vitali if both were in their peaks......but I guess I could carry on saying this every day of my life. Do I think he is the greatest boxer of all time. No I don't think he is but arguably could be. One things is for sure you could never leave him out of a discussion if that was the subject!

please, please don't.

[JLP]

Tell me a quicker heavy weight to ever grace the sport?

(Without including fighters from lighter divisions who stepped up e.g. RJJ) Clay/Ali, Louis, Patterson, Holmes, (maybe) Norton, Dokes, Dempsey...

[fasteddie]

In recent months I've read about Tyson starring on his own Broadway show, he's attended functions in the UK and last week I saw him in the Flintoff documentary. He's been treated as if he's a God! This is the man who's wasted a billion US dollars, a fraction of which could have been put to good use helping the poor in his own backyard in Brownsville. He's a convicted rapist and I think he's also a racist. Was the colour of Bill Cayton and Kevin Rooney's skin anything to do with them being sacked after they took him to the top ? He's also bordering on being a paedophile if we've to believe why Teddy Atlas put a gun to his head. He surrounded himself with the most evil, selfish people you could ever meet, including Mike McCallum, and I personally watched them in action when he was in Glasgow for the Saverese fight.
Great fighter in his early days but once people like Holyfield showed up , who could not be intimidated, his bubble burst, and the playground bully was put in his place!
God like figure? - don't make me laugh! I often wonder if Desiree Washington is still traumatised. That's a name his advisors will not allow to be brought up in any question and answer session. Leopards don't change their spots and the whole concept of rehabilitation is a social myth. People just move on to different crimes as they get older.

hmm lets take you away from your mother and father at and early age,put you through approved school after approved school,bring you up in a hostile neighbourhood,then take you out of that and move you into a house were all you do is eat sleep breath and shit boxing,then we will give you millions of dollars and see how you can handle it. oh and lets not forget to get a famous actress and her wicked witch of a mother to drug the fvck out of you and put you in front of an interviewer in front of millions of people and call you a wife beater and a jekyle and hyde type person,then let them screw you out of millions that you worked for and in the process of all this you have promotor who is the biggest parasite in history leeching onto you and sucking your bank account dry lets see how you would react. as for the rape he still denies it now even after he has done the time for it. imo he didnt do it and the person who should of jail would be desiree's father cause what type of father lets his 18 year old beautiful daughter go to a hotel room at 3 am? tyson is an icon to millions of people wether you like it or not and if not for the things that ive mentioned mike tyson would of went down as probably the greatest heavyweight of all time or a very close 2nd and probably undefeated too. give the guy a break he has been whipped enough and he is trying to earn a living,ive got respect for what he is doing,how many people would still be here if they lived through what he has? his daughter dying,mother dying,father figure dying,cus' wife dying,his manager jim jacobs dying,getting fleeced left right and centre. dont hate,ADMIRE!!!

[dalcumly]

Mike McCallum

In Tyson's dressing room prior to Saverese fight. The board inspector is in the huge football dressing room with about 50 of Tyson's entourage waiting to check Tyson's bandages. It's an hour before the fight is due to start. The Inspector has a programme and wants it signed for his son. He waits till things are quiet and Tyson's sitting on his own and sits down beside him, He asks Tyson for his autograph and hands over the programme. Mike McCallum notices it and walks over standing over the inspector. Tyson looks up, and McCallum makes a racist remark about the inspectors colour and snatches the programme. Tyson shrugs his shoulders. McCallum goes over to the other side of the dressing room, sits down and reads the programme. The inspector keeps an eye on it and when McCallum gets up , he goes over to retrieve it. When he picks it up McCallum threatens to belt him. Being a true Scotsman the inspector waited for his chance to come and eventually recovered the programme. I was told this immediately after and I believe it.

I'm sorry , but if people want to look up to men like Tyson and McCallum then you live on a different side of the street from me. As I said before, the pre-Douglas Tyson was superb then he lost the plot. This is the same man incidentally who threatened to drive Biggs' nose into his brain and eat Lewis's children unless I'm mistaken? and some of you are defending him !!!

[TopGun]

hmm lets take you away from your mother and father at and early age,put you through approved school after approved school,bring you up in a hostile neighbourhood,then take you out of that and move you into a house were all you do is eat sleep breath and shit boxing,then we will give you millions of dollars and see how you can handle it. oh and lets not forget to get a famous actress and her wicked witch of a mother to drug the fvck out of you and put you in front of an interviewer in front of millions of people and call you a wife beater and a jekyle and hyde type person,then let them screw you out of millions that you worked for and in the process of all this you have promotor who is the biggest parasite in history leeching onto you and sucking your bank account dry lets see how you would react. as for the rape he still denies it now even after he has done the time for it. imo he didnt do it and the person who should of jail would be desiree's father cause what type of father lets his 18 year old beautiful daughter go to a hotel room at 3 am? tyson is an icon to millions of people wether you like it or not and if not for the things that ive mentioned mike tyson would of went down as probably the greatest heavyweight of all time or a very close 2nd and probably undefeated too. give the guy a break he has been whipped enough and he is trying to earn a living,ive got respect for what he is doing,how many people would still be here if they lived through what he has? his daughter dying,mother dying,father figure dying,cus' wife dying,his manager jim jacobs dying,getting fleeced left right and centre. dont hate,ADMIRE!!![/quote]


Well said!! I don't think he did rape her, you can see that still annoys him to this day when he talks about it.

[desperados]

IMO Tyson is arguably the greatest boxer of all time.

[stevieb_8006]

tyson isnt the greatest fighter that ever lived but certainly one of the most exciting and most naturally talented. he was blessed with some incredible athletic tools. but boxing is as much a mind game, and in that department he was sadly lacking. Ali would have had him beat b4 they even stepped in the ring.

[banjo]

Tyson was a fighting machine, I reckon he would have reigned for years had he been kept in solitary confinement between fights, it's when he socialised that he went downhill, that's not to say socialising is a bad thing but to him somebody so socially awkward and very easy to take advantage of was always going to fall apart. The "firing" of the white people around Tyson was Don Kings doing I believe, I don't believe he's a racist at all, he's just a poorly educated social outcast who's only father figure he ever had died when he was 19.

[banjo]

Also lets not forget Sugar Ray Robinson, widely regarded as the greatest boxer of all time was a wife beater as was another great middleweight Carlos Monzon who beat his lovers and threw one off a balcony. Boxers aren't cleancut people that's why they're boxers in the first place, infact anyone who participates in any dangerous sport has to be slightly unhinged, masochistic or an adrenaline junkie in the first place.

[palooka]

Also lets not forget Sugar Ray Robinson, widely regarded as the greatest boxer of all time was a wife beater as was another great middleweight Carlos Monzon who beat his lovers and threw one off a balcony. Boxers aren't cleancut people that's why they're boxers in the first place, infact anyone who participates in any dangerous sport has to be slightly unhinged, masochistic or an adrenaline junkie in the first place.

What does that say about us then?

[daviddee]

Anyone who doesn't believe Tyson is one of the best boxers of all time. Should watch his First 35 fights. This guy was truly awesome.. People see the persona and don't understand Tyson was actually a coward. He didn't want to fight. He was pushed into it due to circumstance and sheer natural ability. I don't believe the rape took place but he did make a lot of mistakes and wasnt a nice guy at times.

But going on sheer boxing ability he was possibly the most destruct full heavyweight of all time.. Only 5ft 10 against a lot of monsters.. People also forget Ali said that Tyson would have beat him if they were in the same era. It's a shame he never reached his full potential and dominated for years but I believe he's the best heavyweight that's ever lived..

[BobbyG]

In recent months I've read about Tyson starring on his own Broadway show, he's attended functions in the UK and last week I saw him in the Flintoff documentary. He's been treated as if he's a God! This is the man who's wasted a billion US dollars, a fraction of which could have been put to good use helping the poor in his own backyard in Brownsville. He's a convicted rapist and I think he's also a racist. Was the colour of Bill Cayton and Kevin Rooney's skin anything to do with them being sacked after they took him to the top ? He's also bordering on being a paedophile if we've to believe why Teddy Atlas put a gun to his head. He surrounded himself with the most evil, selfish people you could ever meet, including Mike McCallum, and I personally watched them in action when he was in Glasgow for the Saverese fight.
Great fighter in his early days but once people like Holyfield showed up , who could not be intimidated, his bubble burst, and the playground bully was put in his place!
God like figure? - don't make me laugh! I often wonder if Desiree Washington is still traumatised. That's a name his advisors will not allow to be brought up in any question and answer session. Leopards don't change their spots and the whole concept of rehabilitation is a social myth. People just move on to different crimes as they get older.

Absolute nonsence. This is the man who did help the poor in his hometown of Brownsville and also helped/helps a lot of charities. Just that it has never been highly advertised. Also a 'conviction' does not in every case mean 'you' committed he crime, come on even you must know how the bent system works. Racist? Yes, I imagine he was being so close to and spoke/speaks highly off his father figure Cus D' Amato and his wife who was white? Being a great fan of Jack Dempsey..Who happened to have white skin? And being surrounded those of white skin throughout most parts of his life? Instead of asking the question "Was the colour of Bill Cayton and Kevin Rooney's skin anything to do with them being sacked", you could also question 'Was the colour of Bill Cayton and Kevin Rooney's skin anything to do with him getting with them in the first place'

Boardering being a peadophile? Are you serious? Teddy Atlas put a gun to Tyson's head because a very young Tyson was attempting to 'get it on' with a female from Atlas's family who was of simular age to Tyson.

Who are 'all the selfish and evil people' Tyson surrounded himself with? And what is so selfish and evil about Mike McCallum? And has Tyson spent alot of time in his company anyway?

Yes, great fighter in his early days, but it was his lifestyle later on which had more of an effect on his career rather than opponents not being intimidated.

Wonder if Desiree Washington is still traumatised? What you mean the woman who was flirting with him and went up to his room at 2am to play cards? Yeah, I bet she is still traumatised with the amount of publicity and money she got from interviews etc. What 'different crime' are you suggesting Tyson has moved on to then by the way? You appear very bitter, whats your problem?

[banjo]

Also lets not forget Sugar Ray Robinson, widely regarded as the greatest boxer of all time was a wife beater as was another great middleweight Carlos Monzon who beat his lovers and threw one off a balcony. Boxers aren't cleancut people that's why they're boxers in the first place, infact anyone who participates in any dangerous sport has to be slightly unhinged, masochistic or an adrenaline junkie in the first place.

What does that say about us then?

Humans find danger exciting, some more than others, some prefer to watch somebody thrillseeking and others prefer to do the thrillseeking.

[BobbyG]

Mike McCallum

In Tyson's dressing room prior to Saverese fight. The board inspector is in the huge football dressing room with about 50 of Tyson's entourage waiting to check Tyson's bandages. It's an hour before the fight is due to start. The Inspector has a programme and wants it signed for his son. He waits till things are quiet and Tyson's sitting on his own and sits down beside him, He asks Tyson for his autograph and hands over the programme. Mike McCallum notices it and walks over standing over the inspector. Tyson looks up, and McCallum makes a racist remark about the inspectors colour and snatches the programme. Tyson shrugs his shoulders. McCallum goes over to the other side of the dressing room, sits down and reads the programme. The inspector keeps an eye on it and when McCallum gets up , he goes over to retrieve it. When he picks it up McCallum threatens to belt him. Being a true Scotsman the inspector waited for his chance to come and eventually recovered the programme. I was told this immediately after and I believe it.

I'm sorry , but if people want to look up to men like Tyson and McCallum then you live on a different side of the street from me. As I said before, the pre-Douglas Tyson was superb then he lost the plot. This is the same man incidentally who threatened to drive Biggs' nose into his brain and eat Lewis's children unless I'm mistaken? and some of you are defending him !!!

So your going on 'hear say'....Not on what you personally have witnessed? And also, to your other comment about 'racist'. My mother who is English would call my father who is Irish an 'Irish bastard' That didn't make my mother prejudiced to irish people did it, as she was married to and had children with an Irishman. People who are more likely to say comments 'off the cuff' are not 'racist'. You'll find the racist ones wont say so openly/public. Its done behind the back

[palooka]

Did McCallum call him a haggis eating honkey?

[dalcumly]

So let me get this right. Desiree Washington was asking to be raped? After all Tyson said he didn't do it so he must not have done it. Atlas's relative was 12 I believe? Mike mc Callum was an absolute gentleman because he threatened the board inspector who should have known better in that he should have been concentrating on his job. Where is the evidence Tyson ever gave money to charity. Still no one defending Tyson saying he was going to eat Lewis's children or Biggs nose being driven into his brain. Or the cowards way out by biting a real fighters ear. I despair at the views of some who come on here.
Tyson had the best lawyers money can buy and he still was convicted. He can't visit half the countries in the world. So he's old and skint now, and crawling about looking for money to pay his debts. Let's all forgive him and blame everybody else.
I knew this would provoke an argument, because when you put somebody on a pedestal it can cause blindness. What would Tyson need to have done for him not to be forgiven, because I've mentioned almost all the worst offences known to man! Oh I forgot terrorism, but I don't think he was involved in that.
But I get the message , TYson was an all round good guy, he was just misunderstood.

[jameswilson]

Also lets not forget Sugar Ray Robinson, widely regarded as the greatest boxer of all time was a wife beater as was another great middleweight Carlos Monzon who beat his lovers and threw one off a balcony. Boxers aren't cleancut people that's why they're boxers in the first place, infact anyone who participates in any dangerous sport has to be slightly unhinged, masochistic or an adrenaline junkie in the first place.

What does that say about us then?

That we should beat up our wives and daughters before considering a career in boxing?

[The 1bangkid]

In recent months I've read about Tyson starring on his own Broadway show, he's attended functions in the UK and last week I saw him in the Flintoff documentary. He's been treated as if he's a God! This is the man who's wasted a billion US dollars, a fraction of which could have been put to good use helping the poor in his own backyard in Brownsville. He's a convicted rapist and I think he's also a racist. Was the colour of Bill Cayton and Kevin Rooney's skin anything to do with them being sacked after they took him to the top ? He's also bordering on being a paedophile if we've to believe why Teddy Atlas put a gun to his head. He surrounded himself with the most evil, selfish people you could ever meet, including Mike McCallum, and I personally watched them in action when he was in Glasgow for the Saverese fight.
Great fighter in his early days but once people like Holyfield showed up , who could not be intimidated, his bubble burst, and the playground bully was put in his place!
God like figure? - don't make me laugh! I often wonder if Desiree Washington is still traumatised. That's a name his advisors will not allow to be brought up in any question and answer session. Leopards don't change their spots and the whole concept of rehabilitation is a social myth. People just move on to different crimes as they get older.

Absolute nonsence. This is the man who did help the poor in his hometown of Brownsville and also helped/helps a lot of charities. Just that it has never been highly advertised. Also a 'conviction' does not in every case mean 'you' committed he crime, come on even you must know how the bent system works. Racist? Yes, I imagine he was being so close to and spoke/speaks highly off his father figure Cus D' Amato and his wife who was white? Being a great fan of Jack Dempsey..Who happened to have white skin? And being surrounded those of white skin throughout most parts of his life? Instead of asking the question "Was the colour of Bill Cayton and Kevin Rooney's skin anything to do with them being sacked", you could also question 'Was the colour of Bill Cayton and Kevin Rooney's skin anything to do with him getting with them in the first place'

Boardering being a peadophile? Are you serious? Teddy Atlas put a gun to Tyson's head because a very young Tyson was attempting to 'get it on' with a female from Atlas's family who was of simular age to Tyson.

Who are 'all the selfish and evil people' Tyson surrounded himself with? And what is so selfish and evil about Mike McCallum? And has Tyson spent alot of time in his company anyway?

Yes, great fighter in his early days, but it was his lifestyle later on which had more of an effect on his career rather than opponents not being intimidated.

Wonder if Desiree Washington is still traumatised? What you mean the woman who was flirting with him and went up to his room at 2am to play cards? Yeah, I bet she is still traumatised with the amount of publicity and money she got from interviews etc. What 'different crime' are you suggesting Tyson has moved on to then by the way? You appear very bitter, whats your problem?

[Quixall]

You just found him in bed with your Mrs or somehting? Give the guy a break! IMO Tyson is arguably the greatest boxer of all time. As a boxer and an athlete, he was immense!!

Greatest boxer of all time ?????

No, not by any stretch, but definately one of the most exciting in his prime years.

[Quixall]

@TopGun, I liked watching Tyson as much as the next man but you could argue every day of your life that he was the greatest boxer of all time and you'd be way wrong every single time. He's not even remotely close.

Tell me a quicker heavy weight to ever grace the sport? Head movements and power shots in the HW division have never been matched. I just don't think you will ever see another fighter at 5ft 10in do something like that ever again in the HW division! Personally seeing what Chisora did to Vitali makes me think that Tyson would destroy Vitali if both were in their peaks......but I guess I could carry on saying this every day of my life. Do I think he is the greatest boxer of all time. No I don't think he is but arguably could be. One things is for sure you could never leave him out of a discussion if that was the subject![/quote]


Larry Holmes said that he wasn't the bigest puncher that he had faced, but said that it was Tyson's speed that caused the damage. Tyson had very good speed for a heavyweight and delivered his punches in body / head combinations with speed and accuracy. However, what you have to remember about Tyson is that he didn't fight anyone of real note in his early prime years. He beat decent heavyweights such as Berbick, Biggs, Thomas, Williams etc, whilst Spinks was a blown up light heavyweight and Holmes was coming off a two year break and a little too old. Also in that time, fighters like Tucker took Tyson the distance. Vitali would have done quite well against Tyson simply because of his size and was arguably better than a lot of fighters that Tyson fought early in his career.