Witter looked one dimensional

Cannibal · Post by **Cannibal** » 21 Oct 2005, 18:12

Witter was really disappointing tonight. He seemed to just stick with walking forward trying to land a big shot and it clearly wasn't working well. I thought the key to breaking Lynes down was body shots by watching the fight but Witter seemed to be allergic to throwing them, constantly going for the head. Everytime Lynes backed up into the ropes he seemed to leave part of his body open for the punishing but Witter just kept on with the same tired gameplan.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 21 Oct 2005, 18:31

I might be harsh, but I want to see Witter in with Sarmiento - that is far from a forgone conclusion - basing on Witters last two performances.

Mick Sturbs · Post by **Mick Sturbs** » 21 Oct 2005, 18:35

I bet Floyd and Ricky will sleep well tonight!

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 21 Oct 2005, 18:37

Witters past his best and his timing and telegraphing were awful, His jab worked better tonight though, maybe he can improve on this all the same - he could well be fighting to the level of his comp. His stamina did look abit better tonght - no closing eyes in the corner.

Stu that fight makes zero sense. Lets see Witter have a title shot already win or lose. I now think Witter-Hatton would look like Zoo-Hatton pretty much.

Credit to Lynes he boxed really well defensively, countered well. I always thought Lynes was a decent fighter but he boxed better than I thought he could.

Witter would be countered all night by Mayweather, against Hatton is still interesting as Ricky would need to box in and out if he trades too much Witter could KO him, I think he can beat Cotto and Maussa.

JC · Post by JC » 21 Oct 2005, 18:43

I agree about body shots, I was shocked to see the stat on screen showing that Witter had thrown 7 boby shots during one round.

I think the problem with Witter comes down to workrate. He has decent power but his punches are not sharp and hurtful enough to throw as few as he does against half decent opposition. Although he always looks in great shape, based on his last few performance he doesn't seem to have very good stamina.

I'd like to see him go to the body more and throw about twice as many puches per round and I think he'd be a dangerous opponent for anyone, but time has to be running out.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 21 Oct 2005, 19:02

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:Witters past his best and his timing and telegraphing were awful, His jab worked better tonight though, maybe he can improve on this all the same - he could well be fighting to the level of his comp. His stamina did look abit better tonght - no closing eyes in the corner.

Stu that fight makes zero sense. Lets see Witter have a title shot already win or lose. I now think Witter-Hatton would look like Zoo-Hatton pretty much.

Credit to Lynes he boxed really well defensively, countered well. I always thought Lynes was a decent fighter but he boxed better than I thought he could.

Witter would be countered all night by Mayweather, against Hatton is still interesting as Ricky would need to box in and out if he trades too much Witter could KO him, I think he can beat Cotto and Maussa.

I appreciate the Sarmiento fight makes Zero sense, just on the basis of his last two performances, that were I see Witter's level. I think Mayweather/Hatton and possibly Cotto would forgone conclusion. He'd beat Maussa no doubt - but then so would Sarmiento.

I do still feel aggreived at the Sarmiento vs Lynes scoring and I do think Sarmiento should be up and around the mandatory position himself.

I do agree it should be a world title fight for Witter next, but he aint beating Hatton or Mayweather for certain and the chance I give him vs Cotto is due to his apparent vulnerability in his last two fights.

states · Post by **states** » 21 Oct 2005, 19:03

I gave Witter the benefit of the doubt after the N'Dou fight, what with it being the first time Junior had been taken the distance in a long while. I was prepared to allow him a bad night against Kotelnik, because everyone's allowed one.

But after tonight, I have to say Witter isn't going to worry the top boys of the division. Is he on the slide, or did that series of KO's flatter him? Either way, Mayweather would counter him all night long, that switch-hitting would hinder rather than help. And Hatton would just march forward and flatten him. Witter's power has been overrated by his knockover jobs, I can't see how Hatton would be bothered, especially as Ricky wouldn't allow Junior to get full extension on anything anyway.

No way should anyone with pretensions to being the best in the division be extended the full distance by Lynes, and I say that with total respect towards Colin. Witter had best hope he ends up with a shot at the vacant title against Branco, because he's screwed otherwise. Harsh, but fair, in my opinion. I also think tonights showing put Kotelnik in perspective: Yes, the guy was solid, but too many people were prepared to claim he was something better than that just because he extended Witter.

Exile · Post by **Exile** » 21 Oct 2005, 19:49

states wrote:I gave Witter the benefit of the doubt after the N'Dou fight, what with it being the first time Junior had been taken the distance in a long while. I was prepared to allow him a bad night against Kotelnik, because everyone's allowed one.

But after tonight, I have to say Witter isn't going to worry the top boys of the division. Is he on the slide, or did that series of KO's flatter him? Either way, Mayweather would counter him all night long, that switch-hitting would hinder rather than help. And Hatton would just march forward and flatten him. Witter's power has been overrated by his knockover jobs, I can't see how Hatton would be bothered, especially as Ricky wouldn't allow Junior to get full extension on anything anyway.

No way should anyone with pretensions to being the best in the division be extended the full distance by Lynes, and I say that with total respect towards Colin. Witter had best hope he ends up with a shot at the vacant title against Branco, because he's screwed otherwise. Harsh, but fair, in my opinion. I also think tonights showing put Kotelnik in perspective: Yes, the guy was solid, but too many people were prepared to claim he was something better than that just because he extended Witter.

Good post mate, i have never been impressed with Witter-like you say, his power is seriously overrated and in my opinion he still has done nothing to deserve a shot at any of the legit world titles. Hatton would destroy in 5 rounds tops.

Lefthookhappy19 · Post by **Lefthookhappy19** » 21 Oct 2005, 19:58

What the fornicate was with that Hillyard decision?? That ref should be sacked. Thats bullshit!! Naz would never have won a fight if the judges scored rounds against him because they didn't like him....

WayoftheCass · Post by **WayoftheCass** » 22 Oct 2005, 00:30

Witter used to say he was the hardest hitter in the division. Notice that we haven't heard that shit for a while.
It was a bad fight. Lynes is tough and a decent guy. But he ain't even top European class.
Who exactly did Witter ever knock out? The bum of the month club thats who.
Witter is gonna have to ditch the arrogance. And the showboating in the last was painfully misjudged.
Imagine him in with Floyd. That would be horrible. Especially with all the boasting that Witter would do in the lead up. Witter wouldn't come out in public after it was over. He'd become a hermit on the Isle of Whyte or something.

dondada · Post by **dondada** » 22 Oct 2005, 02:22

It's a strange one.

He looked terrible, IMO. But did enough.

He stepped up to the plate (not in the Ricky Hatton 'between fights' sense) against N'Dou and that's what he needs.

But to 'practice' in that fashion is very dangerous. If he's trying to smoke the other lads out of their foxholes, he's doing a good job.

He looked bored and contemptuous of it all. Imagine paying to come all the way down from Bradford to watch that shite? Sorry Junior, but it was an absolute stinker.

And please, don't anyone give me this shit about how underrated Lynes is. He's as limited as...erm...a plc.

Old bones Ian · Post by **Old bones Ian** » 22 Oct 2005, 03:46

I've found that Witter is going down the same road as Naz, they were at there best when boxing and throwing punches in combination.
Naz once everyone started saying he was the hardest puncher in the division would just load up and hope one of them would take the guy out, Witter was the same.
The reason Witter and Naz knocked people out, was a hard punch that the opponent didn't see coming, when they load up on punches the other boxer knows whats coming.
Don't know if its to late for Witter to get his boxing back, but he ain't getting any younger.

boxbet · Post by **boxbet** » 22 Oct 2005, 04:10

witter looked at least a weight class above lynes, much stronger and bigger. witter was not accurate enough, didnt throw enough and put out a poor performance. He did enough to win, got his payday and some rounds in but looks on the slide. He needs his last big shot soon. understand his comment that he cant get up for small fights but thats his job, he is a pro fighter and should be able to do so.

Manos de Oro · Post by **Manos de Oro** » 22 Oct 2005, 05:00

That's twice I've seen Paul Cook (I think that's his name? - Nicky's dad) get the tactics spot on... remember the Dazzo fight. Lynes had the perfect tactics to foil Witter - try to make him fight, try to make him the aggressor. He looks sensational when he stands his ground and counter punches, and he can survive with the best of them on the run, but look what happens when you try to make him come forward and create chances... took him right out his game and he ended up making all sorts of rudimentary mistakes.

I would not have lost sleep over the draw, even though I felt Witter won by a couple of points. He had the presence of a champion in there and he landed a fare few hurtful shots, but he also ate plenty of left hooks and right hands himself. I would not like to see him in there with Mayweather because Floyd would use the exact same tactics as Lynes, yet unlike Colin, would step it up at the appropriate time and really make Junior pay with speed and power by about the fifth round.

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 22 Oct 2005, 07:09

After watching Witter last night i just came to conclusion that i just don't think he is that good, he has this reputation as a massive puncher which was backed up to some extent with the way he knocked down N'dou twice but if you analyse his string of KO's it is a rich band of fighters you would expect a guy with world class pretensions to knock out, there are some pretty dire names in that "run", not Witter's fault of course as you can only beat what is put in front of you but KO'ing Latekwei Hammond is one thing and getting in with Cotto or Mayweather is another.

He had a bad night with Kotelnik and last night he just looked totally off, i don't buy the excuse that he underestimated his opponent at all i am seriously starting to think he is a touch overrated. I really cannot see him beating any of the top guys based on what we saw last night, no jab, poor defence and he just lunges in and throws huge wild hooks. That fight was so bloody dull i felt like packing up and going to bed, thank goodness for Corcoran-Rutherford which was a great little tussle

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 22 Oct 2005, 07:42

Witter is still a HUGE Puncher - he didnt land anything last night though and when he did Lynes ran off into his shell. Hatton/Zoo/Gatti/Cotto would all be far easier to hit than Lynes was last night and counter punching will work well against all of them.

Witter has ko'd Euro class fighters (Lauri, Bienias, Battalgia, Bosworth) but when a fighter goes into a shell it means ko'ing them is hard - Hatton didn't ko Vilches does that mean Hattons offense is terrible?

Lynes is underrated - he showed last night he can box/counter/and has a quality defense - hes doen better than allot of Witters Euro opponents so of course

And the last thing Witter was well off form but at least he didnt goto hell and back like Cotto did against Torres (pretty much all of his opponents were well below journeymen level

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 22 Oct 2005, 08:04

Why do the WBC keep riding Branco's nuts! Give Witter a straiht shot since that guy keeps pulling out!

Branco probably wants easy fights!

Lefthookhappy19 · Post by **Lefthookhappy19** » 22 Oct 2005, 08:26

I think the comentators made too much of Lynes performance. He basically ran all night. Witter is a counter puncher and will struggle to put someone away if they are not throwing anything back and giving him openings. Lynes never had any intention of winning and it was clear who was always in control. Mayweather's jab would give Witter nightmares, though he would leave more openings cause he would be there to win.

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 22 Oct 2005, 09:52

Does anyone think Hatton will give Witter a shot after hes looked so poor recently? I still think Juniors huge counters are all wrong for the chirpy manc. Who do you think they will fight after Maussa - I can see them going after Cotto after he looked so vunerable recently. No way Hattons going anywhere near Mayweather.

liamlion · Post by **liamlion** » 22 Oct 2005, 10:21

Lefthookhappy19 wrote:I think the comentators made too much of Lynes performance. He basically ran all night. Witter is a counter puncher and will struggle to put someone away if they are not throwing anything back and giving him openings. Lynes never had any intention of winning and it was clear who was always in control.

Yeah, pretty much the way I saw it. I did however think it was alarming that Witter lunged so often and with so little accuracy, it reminded me a-little of Hamed towards the end of his carrer.

But I felt that Jim Watt and Adam Smith were pretty naive not to even consider that Witter's poor performace might have been slightly linked to the fact that Witter is at his most dangerous when he is the one being stalked. In such fights Witter cleverly lets his opponents walk onto his punches, particulary the uppercut. Styles make fights

mrbassie · Post by **mrbassie** » 22 Oct 2005, 10:32

I thought the first couple of rounds that Witter looked his usual self, then seemed to go to sleep. Lynes just ran away, he won like two rounds. Let's see if he gets all the same stick that Witter has gotten for running from Judah, I bet he doesn't.

boxbet · Post by **boxbet** » 22 Oct 2005, 11:15

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:Does anyone think Hatton will give Witter a shot after hes looked so poor recently? I still think Juniors huge counters are all wrong for the chirpy manc. Who do you think they will fight after Maussa - I can see them going after Cotto after he looked so vunerable recently. No way Hattons going anywhere near Mayweather.

Dont think they will give witter a shot till they're finished with unification fights. may not ever fight him. I think Hattons going after Cotto next, unless Floyd comes to UK to fight, which he wont.

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 22 Oct 2005, 14:48

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:Witter has ko'd Euro class fighters (Lauri, Bienias, Battalgia, Bosworth)

Alan Bosworth is a warrior but he isn't Euro class, i think Witter's punching power is a bit overrated. But heck he is British so i hope he gets his shot and takes it.

So what is the situation with Witter now then? I am not very up on the politics at the best of times but i can't understand firstly why Branco keeps getting loads of chances and secondly why hasn't Witter has his shot yet at the title, vacant or otherwise.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 22 Oct 2005, 17:00

Seen Lauri a few times on Eurosport, definately Witters best win/performance. Well that or the Bergman fight which I have not seen.

Foggy · Post by **Foggy** » 23 Oct 2005, 16:56

WOW, Witter looked bad on friday.

Even though most people are writing Witter off i'd like to see him go toe to toe with any of the major players in the light welter division.

Maybe you ask why ?

When i watched on Friday, Witter only wanted to fight when lynes connected, then you saw Witter fight back, maybe what Witter said in his interview afterwords was the truth, he wants to fight with the big boys, as Witter said:-

"Bring on someone to beat me up, I don't care who it is, any of the world champions. I'll take them on. I want a fight I can dig my teeth into, something I can really aim for, something I know I've really got to win"

In closing all i can say is that i still have faith in Witter & that i think if he and Maywether fought that it would be a cracker.