Cassius Clay, "I'm Fighting Uncle Tom Patterson'

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BoxBuzz wrote:The color that got my attention the most when granberry was around, was the generosity associated with the color orange.
Yes, that was probably the 2nd funniest thread of all time.

The funniest thread of all time was, of course, the one started by Squat Dog where he posed the question "Could anyone take a punch from this man?" along with a link to a video of said Man (Squat Dog himself) hitting a heavy bag.
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Il Duce wrote:Giancarlo from Australia

Well what do you, Sheila is from Down Under........

Spends his Nights Trolling for 'Skippy'.

By the way, isn't that Hard Rock Band 'Air Supply' from your country.

The song you and I discussed called... "It's a Mistake" comes from a rather admirable Australian band. IMHO.
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Giancarlo wrote:
ThatOne wrote:If only the granner would return...
He'd be in his element.

One openly racist cheerleader supported by a couple of dinosaurs who yearn for the good old days when certain people knew their place.

That post where granberry was extolling the value of the various Jim Crow laws would play better in here these days than it did a couple of years back when he was at the peak of his rabble rousing.
I once provided an anecdote where Muhammad Ali was driving through Florida with Miami Herald columnist, Edwin Pope, He goes way back with the GOAT. I e-mailed him when Ali came out and asked him he was going to see it and write about it. He e-mailed me back and said "I lived it." Anyway, he was traveling through northern Florida in the early 60s with Clay/Ali and his crew and they wanted to get something to eat. The black "crew'" was refused service and Pope had to bring sandwiches to the car.

BTW, if you e-mail him about the incident he'll get a chuckle and probably respond.
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Giancarlo wrote:
BoxBuzz wrote:The color that got my attention the most when granberry was around, was the generosity associated with the color orange.
Yes, that was probably the 2nd funniest thread of all time.

The funniest thread of all time was, of course, the one started by Squat Dog where he posed the question "Could anyone take a punch from this man?" along with a link to a video of said Man (Squat Dog himself) hitting a heavy bag.

I think the off topic thread once had a countdown of the funniest of all time....and they both were included in the top 10 inventory.
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Il Duce wrote:Giancarlo from Australia

Well what do you, Sheila is from Down Under........

Spends his Nights Trolling for 'Skippy'.

By the way, isn't that Hard Rock Band 'Air Supply' from your country.

That amused me on so many levels.

You uncle wasn't the only one with a nack for witty reparte.

Oh, hang on, that story about your uncle writing Ali's lines was shown to be mere bullsh1t wasn't it?
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Il Duce wrote:
BoxBuzz wrote:Il Duce= ..... A granberry smoothie.

IMHO.
Is that why you are considered a 'flake' in the Medical Community.

Making evaluations on Muhammad Ali, when you have never sat down with the
man, and did a full blown and extensive examination.

Have you ever checked his 'motor skills' close up like I have.

And Motor Skills are not what you do when you drive an automobile........
Honestly? The way you checked his motor skills? I'm quite confident I have not checked his motor skills the way you have. Would you mind sharing with all of us just what you learned in your up close and apparently quite personal observation/evaluation? I would be genuinely interested in your feedback regarding this event. When did it take place and under what circumstances?
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Il Duce wrote:Cassius Clay couldn't write poetry.

At the bottom of his High School Class and failing English, suddenly writing 'witty phrases'.

Next thing you'll be telling us is that he was a Black Muslim Minister.

You're the one with all the 'stories'.

You seem to have gone a bit quiet about your 'uncle' writing Ali's lines for him though.

You realised it was at the top of the dumbest things you've said so far?
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My smoothie comment, is just that you are much more refined and polite than granberry ever was. He would get angry, lash out, and use expletives. You are typically civil in your manner. I'll attempt to let that discussion alone from this point forward. What you had in common was your passionate dislike for a certain fighter. It's why you remind people of him. I'm not meaning to turn that into some sort of inside joke.
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Il Duce wrote:Cassius Clay couldn't write poetry.

At the bottom of his High School Class and failing English, suddenly writing 'witty phrases'.

Next thing you'll be telling us is that he was a Black Muslim Minister.



The Solicitor General of The United States of America believed he was. I think I will defer to his opinion and not some random guy on the internet.

And this is from SCOTUS' unanimous decision in his favor:

In this Court the Government has now fully conceded that the petitioner's beliefs are based upon 'religious training and belief,' as defined in United States v. Seeger, supra: 'There is no dispute that petitioner's professed beliefs were founded on basic tenets of the Muslim religion, as he understood them, and derived in substantial part from his devotion to Allah as the Supreme Being
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Il Duce wrote:Box Buzz,

Muhammad Ali driving his car though Florida in the mid-1960's would be impossible.

He had his Drivers License revoked, because he had accumulated so many Traffic Tickets,
he was deemed a 'menace on the road to others'.

True Fact,

The guy had no understanding on how to 'obey' signs.

I guess the word 'obey' was racist, so Muhammad felt that he was being discriminated against.
CITATION that he didn't have a driver's license, please.
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You have used the words "True Fact"

Your interpretation of a "True Fact"?

Or a real "True Fact"?

I am getting the impression that "one of these things, is not like the other."

I learned this sort of critical thinking, watching my youngest brother watch Sesame Street
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ThatOne wrote:
Il Duce wrote:Box Buzz,

Muhammad Ali driving his car though Florida in the mid-1960's would be impossible.

He had his Drivers License revoked, because he had accumulated so many Traffic Tickets,
he was deemed a 'menace on the road to others'.

True Fact,

The guy had no understanding on how to 'obey' signs.

I guess the word 'obey' was racist, so Muhammad felt that he was being discriminated against.
CITATION that he didn't have a driver's license, please.
http://www.courier-journal.com/section/ ... i-timeline
1968. Though that still doesn't sound like mid 60's though.
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It is funny that this man agreed with Ali and his stance on the war.

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Oh and before Il Duce tries to discredit him, Yes I am aware that Dr King cheated when finishing his doctorate.
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p4p1 wrote:
ThatOne wrote:
Il Duce wrote:Box Buzz,

Muhammad Ali driving his car though Florida in the mid-1960's would be impossible.

He had his Drivers License revoked, because he had accumulated so many Traffic Tickets,
he was deemed a 'menace on the road to others'.

True Fact,

The guy had no understanding on how to 'obey' signs.

I guess the word 'obey' was racist, so Muhammad felt that he was being discriminated against.
CITATION that he didn't have a driver's license, please.
http://www.courier-journal.com/section/ ... i-timeline
1968. Though that still doesn't sound like mid 60's though.
December of 68 at that.
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Dr King I believe also was tempted by a beautiful female every now and again.
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Though not the most relevant thing to this thread it seems like a good place to ask it, Wallace Muhammad must of been a major influence on the way that Ali changed his thinking anyone know when Ali started having more interaction with him?
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BoxBuzz wrote: December of 68 at that.

Ah, it's near enough for Il Dunce.

Don't forget this is the fellow who managed to convince himself that the British prime-minister was moonlighting as a sports journalist at the Ali - Cooper fight.

:lol:
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p4p1 wrote:
ThatOne wrote:
Il Duce wrote:Box Buzz,

Muhammad Ali driving his car though Florida in the mid-1960's would be impossible.

He had his Drivers License revoked, because he had accumulated so many Traffic Tickets,
he was deemed a 'menace on the road to others'.

True Fact,

The guy had no understanding on how to 'obey' signs.

I guess the word 'obey' was racist, so Muhammad felt that he was being discriminated against.
CITATION that he didn't have a driver's license, please.
http://www.courier-journal.com/section/ ... i-timeline


1968. Though that still doesn't sound like mid 60's though.

I specifically said the early 60s and I never mentioned who was driving. Go ahead and e-mail Edwin Pope:

[email protected].

And of course he couldn't be denied service in 1968 as the landmark civil rights legislation passed in 1965 had prohibited discrimination
in public accommodations.
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Il Duce wrote:
BoxBuzz wrote:Dr King I believe also was tempted by a beautiful female every now and again.

Cassius Clay had his Drivers Licensed yanked several times.
1962, 1963, 1964, 1966, 1967 and 1968.

I think Dr. Martin Luther King was trying to break JFK's record.

J. Edgar had numerous tapes of both men in 'uncompromising positions'.



Il Duce......I trust you are aware....

Edgar liked to watch.
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Il Duce wrote:
BoxBuzz wrote:Dr King I believe also was tempted by a beautiful female every now and again.

Cassius Clay had his Drivers Licensed yanked several times.
1962, 1963, 1964, 1966, 1967 and 1968.

I think Dr. Martin Luther King was trying to break JFK's record.

J. Edgar had numerous tapes of both men in 'uncompromising positions'.



And that old queen was in compromising positions with Clyde Tolson.
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Il Duce wrote:
BoxBuzz wrote:Dr King I believe also was tempted by a beautiful female every now and again.

Cassius Clay had his Drivers Licensed yanked several times.
1962, 1963, 1964, 1966, 1967 and 1968.

Cassius actually applied for a Stock Car Drivers license with NASCAR.

He was told, we don't like your kind here.

Cassius, "OH, you won't let Blacks drive on your track."

NASCAR, "No, we don't allow IDIOTS on our track."

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On a 'Hump Day' moment.

I think Dr. Martin Luther King was trying to break JFK's record.

J. Edgar had numerous tapes of both men in 'uncompromising positions'.
:lol: Ali tried to be a NASCAR driver? Where do you get this stuff?
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Il Duce wrote:I thought you'd enjoy that one Mr. G.


On another Driving Altercation.

This one is F***ING FANTASATIC...........

December 15, 1965

"Cassius Clay Claims He Can't Be Arrested Because He Is The Head Of The Negro Government"

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q= ... 5s2zZ1U19A
Racial profiling sure has a long history in the land of the so called free...
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Il Duce wrote:
BoxBuzz wrote:Dr King I believe also was tempted by a beautiful female every now and again.

Cassius Clay had his Drivers Licensed yanked several times.
1962, 1963, 1964, 1966, 1967 and 1968.

Cassius actually applied for a Stock Car Drivers license with NASCAR.

He was told, we don't like your kind here.

Cassius, "OH, you won't let Blacks drive on your track."

NASCAR, "No, we don't allow IDIOTS on our track."


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On a 'Hump Day' moment.

I think Dr. Martin Luther King was trying to break JFK's record.

J. Edgar had numerous tapes of both men in 'uncompromising positions'.
I really don't think you understand what a lot of people involved in motorsports are like especially back then when they could get away with doing a lot more.
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Il Duce wrote:June 1965

Police Respond to a Nuisance at 461 SW, 15 Court, Miami, Florida

Miami Police found Cassius Clay, the Boxing Heavyweight Champion of the
World, Drag Racing his new Cadillac up and down Court Street at speeds in
excess of 90 MPH.

The Cadillac was not Licensed with the Florida DMV, and there was no
Insurance Certificate in the Vehicle.

When Police arrived, Cassius Clay jumped out the vehicle and stated
that he was being harassed because he was a Negro, and that America
wanted a White Heavyweight Champion.

Cassius screamed, "You Cops want my new Cadillac, and you want to
make me not have a car."
citation please
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p4p1 wrote:
Il Duce wrote:June 1965

Police Respond to a Nuisance at 461 SW, 15 Court, Miami, Florida

Miami Police found Cassius Clay, the Boxing Heavyweight Champion of the
World, Drag Racing his new Cadillac up and down Court Street at speeds in
excess of 90 MPH.

The Cadillac was not Licensed with the Florida DMV, and there was no
Insurance Certificate in the Vehicle.

When Police arrived, Cassius Clay jumped out the vehicle and stated
that he was being harassed because he was a Negro, and that America
wanted a White Heavyweight Champion.

Cassius screamed, "You Cops want my new Cadillac, and you want to
make me not have a car."
citation please
A google search turns up nothing...
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