Did Ali really hit his "Peak"?

[loaded_gloves]

Meaning,

The word 'Duce' is derived from the Latin Word meaning, 'Duke'.

It has nothing to do with Benito Mussolini, who by the way got the Italian Railway System
to function properly during his reign.

Let's not get Political here,

Do you truly believe that Muhammad Ali's avoidance to join the U.S. Military was because of
his stance against the Vietnam War.

Nobody was going to make him pick up an M-16 and run through the Rice Fields in the
Mekong River Delta.

For God's Sake, Entertainer Joey Heatherton protested the war, yet went over to Vietnam
many times to entertain the Troops with the U.S.O. Group to show support for the 'MEN'.

Muhammad Ali cared about Muhammad Ali........

Yeah, and 'Fuhrer' means 'leader' and if some poster opted to post under that name it would give all of his pathological hatred and loose associations an equally creepy air.

Just look over your conspiracy theories in this thread. You read like a paranoid schizophrenic.

And christ, I don't think Joe Frazier's own children harbour the deep seated resentment of Muhammad Ali that 'Yancey' does.

I know, Ali knew, we all knew Ali wouldn't have to shoot guns in Nam. That's not the point and never was. He stood up and refused to support a war on yellow people by white people who were treating black people with the same disdain. He took a stand knowing he risked ruining his reputation and losing his livelihood.

In time, America and the world came around to his thinking in regards to the Vietnam war. He showed incredible character and heroics in his return to boxing. He has shown the same qualities in battling his long illness.

And yet all that only leads to men like Mussolini here, sorry, Il Duce, to belittle the great man from his keyboard, and seriously try and suggest he was a coward and ducked Amos Lincoln and the other journeymen he's listed in this pathetic infantile thread.

Why don't you write an article on the real truth behind Muhammad Ali? Affix your face and full name to it and shop it around to the various boxing websites? Let's see you stand up for what you believe in!

[Giancarlo]

Il Duce, you're a strange chap with creepy views. I'm starting to see why you adopted the nickname of a man like Mussolini.

You can see why Nancy has a crush on him.

[Giancarlo]

Il Duce, you're a strange chap with creepy views. I'm starting to see why you adopted the nickname of a man like Mussolini.

You can see why Nancy has a crush on him.

Yes, Cassius was doing everything because of the way his people were treated,,,,,

Of course, the 'Nut-Huggers' forget the way how cruel he treated little defenseless Sonji Roi.

Oh, I guess she wasn't human........

Sonji Roi,,,,,,,,"As a husband, Cassius was still in preliminaries."

Ah, so it's actually Ali the man you hate.

You'll be pleased to know it's the same with that other nutter Nancy and his dad the legendary ku klux klansman granberry.

Can't say I'm surprised after all your creepy posts.

[BoxBuzz]

You'll never slip the obvious past Giancarlo......he's on it like a bloodhound on a steak.

[yancey]

You'll never slip the obvious past Giancarlo......he's on it like a bloodhound on a steak.

A fly at a picnic would be more accurate.

I don't hate Ali. Never did. I have him right there with Louis at the top when talking all-time heavies.

I detested Ali's treatment of a very good man like Frazier culminating with the cruelty at Manila.

No human being should treat another that way. It proved sad for Ali.

But whatever.

[Giancarlo]

I don't hate Ali.

Hilarious.

But whatever.

Even funnier. Does that mean you and that other nutter will take at least one day off from trying to denigrate Ali, or Clay as you both like to call him during your skpe sessions?

[BoxBuzz]

I think Muhammad Ali hit his 'peak' when he opened up that 'first' CHAMPBURGER franchise in
Northwest Miami beach in 1969.

Muhammad Ali {1969 Quote}

"I can just see it now, a Muhammad Ali 'CHAMPBURGER' fast-food restaurant in every town
across America."

"I Love America, I get to keep 5% of every Dollar spent at my restaurant."

"Go Muhammad Go"

Is it still open? I'm gettin' hungry.

[p4p1]

I think Muhammad Ali hit his 'peak' when he opened up that 'first' CHAMPBURGER franchise in
Northwest Miami beach in 1969.

Muhammad Ali {1969 Quote}

"I can just see it now, a Muhammad Ali 'CHAMPBURGER' fast-food restaurant in every town
across America."

"I Love America, I get to keep 5% of every Dollar spent at my restaurant."

"Go Muhammad Go"

Is it still open? I'm gettin' hungry.

[p4p1]

The 'CHAMPBURGER' Restaurant Franchise..........'flopped'.

Muhammad Ali sold the rights to the Corporation to use his name for $900,000 in 1969.

Mr. Ali also received a 5% fee for anyone who bought a new franchise.

He also received a 1% Royalty of all 'Net Sales'.

Nothing was better than watching Muhammad Ali 'flip burgers' at the Grand Opening of a
new Franchise in Miami..

He was a 'natural', almost like he was born to 'run-the-grille'.

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[Ezzard]

I'm 50-50 on the Vietnam thing.

Yes, Il Duce is right, he didn't do it for anyone but himself. They invented the rationale retrospectively. He was also a member of The NOI who are on a par with all the other right wing racist groups. Ali was used by these people.

But at the same time there was something good about his anti-war stance no matter what the reasoning behind it.

Ali kept all the bile and spite for his black opponents...never the white ones. Told everyone who would listen that he beat Frazier in the first fight and Joe only won because he was working for The Man.

All that is well documented.

Ali also did an awful lot of good. Everyone has their faults. Ali's no different. He was a truly amazing fighter and a great human being to most people...that's as much as you can ask of anyone.

I guess for some there's just too much sugar on the pill.

[loaded_gloves]

Now our resident loons are citing Ali's promiscuity as a reason to hate Ali.

They should read Smokin' Joe's book. He couldn't help himself loving as many women as possible.

But it's okay when you're guy does it, but when the guy you just don't like does it, well, then it's a stick to beat him with.

Ali's burger joint flopped. How did Joe's business ventures go?

The desperate grasping at straws by a pair of grown men in this thread is just embarrassing.

We don't like sports men now because of their bedroom antics? Has it seriously come to this?

As these guys perfect men? No. Have their major biographies omitted their infidelity? No. So what exactly is the problem? What on earth has created such bitterness in these two distant observers?

[Ezzard]

Look How Happy Cassius Looks,,,,,,,,,as he signs the contract "Cassius Clay"

Look at all my new friends.

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Not being funny but on the back row...4 in from the left. Could almost be a young F r a n k W a r r e n.

[loaded_gloves]

That Clay sure was an uppity negroid wasn't he, Ducey Mussolini old sport.

Il Duce has now sunk to the all-time low of Granberry in terms of psychopathic trolling.

[dempseyfire]

Did anyone here ever have a champ burger?

[yancey]

Did anyone here ever have a champ burger?

Yes, the meat was of a poor quality, very low-grade.

CHAMPBURGERS was a Neo-Soul Fast-Food Restaurant, offering Muslin friendly food.

The French-Fries were tasty, but the beverage choice 'Mr. Champ Soda' was flat.

Advertising Gimmick......."Enjoy some tasty Neo-Soul Cusine with the Champ, it will be a Knockout"

Maybe Champburgers should have had Joe Frazier and the Knockouts sing some commercials for them.

Buzz could have been in the background playing the sax.

The place might have made it and blown McDonalds away.

[yancey]

Mr. Yancey,

'Smokin Joe' and the Knockouts don't play small gigs...........

They like a 'Big Show' with No Clowns.

'Smokin Joe' commanded a $5000 Guarantee per gig........

You're right.

Joe didn't have much use for clowns, especially the ass clown variety.

Was known to knock 'em on their ass.

Too bad he is not around to give Giancarlo a special "hello".

RIP Smoke.

[Giancarlo]

Benito and Nancy - the creepiest couple on boxrec ever?

[yancey]

Nah, not a part of any couple here.

But I'd vote for sick little Giancarlo and the insanely weird Collins as the true creepiest couple.

Oh wait, their the same dude.

Or dudette, I certainly don't care to find out.

[BoxBuzz]

Patterson?.....easy breezy, defense once again, Ali avoiding the real threats....The Caddilac, The Chrysler...and the Lincoln. Any of those would have run him over. IF they had the chance. But those advisors of his.....always scrapin' the bottom of the barrel.

[BoxBuzz]

When Joe Frazier was champ, you have to admit he did not rest, he took on the best.

Terry Daniels, immediately followed by Ron Stander, and....well you know.

By the way, what were the odds on the Foreman Frazier fight? Was Foreman

considered to in the "Presidential" class of opponent? Did the public

anticipate the rise of this guy George? Or was it a bit of a surprise. I can't quite

remember....cuz I'm way past 60 and my memory comes and goes.

When Ron Stander agreed to that fight the critics were impressed that Joe was willing

to take on such a challenge. Though Ron's wife appeared to be critical of her

husband....

His wife famously said:

You don’t take a Volkswagen into the Indy 500, unless you know of a hell of a

shortcut.

[Giancarlo]

I always respected Cassius

[Giancarlo]

Nah, not a part of any couple here.

Just because it hasn't been formally announced yet in the klan newsletter?

I can just picture your old fella Granberry in his tuxedo, proud as punch as father of the bride.

[BoxBuzz]

I always respected Cassius,

But he did the avoid the other Amos,

'Atom' Amos Johnson,

The same Amos Johnson who slapped him around back in 1959 at the Pan Am Games Trials.

You'd think he would want revenge on Amos........

Well I think the London, Liston, Bonavena, Martin.....contiguous losses probably put a damper on things for that to ever work out. He did his best to put the "coconut punch" or would that be a "casaba clobbering'? on London, but the referee nixed it I guess. Well he really wasn't doing all that well against London any way. Johnson was waging what some might call a "cerebral fight" with London I guess.

But you make a good point, Amos Johnson OR the guy who scared and bullied the young Cassius and stole his bike, may well have been the future of the HW division....if Ali would have simply gave them their rightful opportunity for a second chance. His daddy also whipped him a time or two according to history....so their's another unavenged defeat.

Do we have a name on that guy who stole the bike? Why didn't they sign to settle that? Another rampant example of his running from the best of the best when it came to defending his title.

To his credit Amos can boast that he traded leather with Clay (amat W), Liston (L), Bob Foster (amat), Henry Cooper (W),Brian London (L), Mildenberger (D),Bonavena (L) and Leotis Martin (L).

How did that Foster fight come out?

[p4p1]

People really have to scrape the bottom of the barrel for guys who Ali didn't fight!

[BoxBuzz]

So you think he "side stepped" the undeniable #1 threat in this case? OR did he just took a fight with another contender?, A contender that did pose some drama to him in the past, and as a result was very likely a more lucrative fight......these are different things. And it was not the amateurs. It's called "prize" fighting for a reason.

If your going to do battle...seems the bigger purse would be one of the reasons to put your neck on the line would be the ol' pot o' gold.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar Duce. In this case...he just needed to clear up that bit of ambiguity....and people were willing to pay to see it.

Seems more like routine matters of business and life than any occult agenda to keep this other contender out of the limelight. Had he managed to win his next 3 or 4 fights....I think he would have gotten a payday with the champ as a reward.