"I Ain't Got No Quarrel With Them Viet Cong"

[ThatOne]

"I think I still see the world through the prism I did at, say fourteen years old."

ThatOne

Yes, I gathered that about you quite some time ago.

Don't take that as an insult. It is simply a deduction I had made. I have quite a few friends that are the same way.[/quote]

There was a famous book a while back " All I Really Need to Know I Learned in Kindergarten."


[/quote]

So you graduated kindergarten at age 14, eh?

And you're a Ali fan, right?

The picture becomes even clearer.

-yancey

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds."

Albert Einstein

[yancey]

No, my argument is not flawed.


Cassius Clay was out for himself..............

This from our #1 altruist I guess.

Please post your military record. I can almost understand this and certainly forgive this expressed position from a Jarhead...and would likely not want to fuss with you as I respect this opinion from those who laid there lives on the line. I get it. And just because I am one from this group who has forgiven, I give much leeway to my brothers who have not found it in their hearts to forgive.

And sometimes I am not forgiven for my leniency.

Either way, you should work on becoming forgiving. It's a great goal for those who still haven't mastered the art.

He's not a jarhead but he did spend five years in the Hanoi Hilton:

deleted.

[BoxBuzz]

John McCain,

Out of respect for his Military Service, I will not jump on Senator McCain.

You can not go but a few words in a row, before you step right into your own brand of pulp fiction. You clearly said you would not jump...then in your next keystrokes you did exactly what you said you would not do.

I saw what you did there.

[yancey]

"Mankind must put an end to war, or war will put an end to mankind...War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today."

-John F. Kennedy

Thirty fifth president of the United States and World War ll war hero

And Pulitzer Prize winner for writing "Profiles in Courage".

Oh wait, I'm thinking of Ted Sorensen.

Sorry.

[ThatOne]

John McCain did finish almost dead last at Annapolis and was rumored to be a sup par pilot. That being said he did spend five years in the Hanoi Hilton and refused a early release, ergo;


In mid-1968, John S. McCain, Jr. was named commander of all U.S. forces in the Vietnam theater, and the North Vietnamese offered McCain early release[43] because they wanted to appear merciful for propaganda purposes,[44] and also to show other POWs that elite prisoners were willing to be treated preferentially.[43] McCain turned down the offer; he would only accept repatriation if every man taken in before him was released as well. Such early release was prohibited by the POW's interpretation of the military Code of Conduct: To prevent the enemy from using prisoners for propaganda, officers were to agree to be released in the order in which they were captured.[33]
In August 1968, a program of severe torture began on McCain.[45] He was subjected to rope bindings and repeated beatings every two hours, at the same time as he was suffering from dysentery.[33][45] Further injuries led to the beginning of a suicide attempt, stopped by guards.[33] Eventually, McCain made an anti-American propaganda "confession".[33] He has always felt that his statement was dishonorable, but as he later wrote, "I had learned what we all learned over there: Every man has his breaking point. I had reached mine."[46][47] Many American POWs were tortured and maltreated in order to extract "confessions" and propaganda statements;[48] virtually all of them eventually yielded something to their captors.[49] McCain subsequently received two to three beatings weekly because of his continued refusal to sign additional statements.[50]
McCain refused to meet with various anti-war groups seeking peace in Hanoi, wanting to give neither them nor the North Vietnamese a propaganda victory.[51] From late 1969 onward, treatment of McCain and many of the other POWs became more tolerable,[52] while McCain continued actively to resist the camp authorities.[53] McCain and other prisoners cheered the U.S. "Christmas Bombing" campaign of December 1972, viewing it as a forceful measure to push North Vietnam to terms.[47][54]
Altogether, McCain was a prisoner of war in North Vietnam for five and a half years. He was released on March 14, 1973.[55] His wartime injuries left him permanently incapable of raising his arms above his head.[56]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain

He's also an avid boxing and sports fan:

[ThatOne]

"Mankind must put an end to war, or war will put an end to mankind...War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today."

-John F. Kennedy

Thirty fifth president of the United States and World War ll war hero

And Pulitzer Prize winner for writing "Profiles in Courage".

Oh wait, I'm thinking of Ted Sorensen.

Sorry.

He's one of the few people to have ever pulled strings to get into the military and active combat. He had his dad pull strings because he was originally classified 4F due to his maladies. Juxtapose that with the president who spent his career in Hollywood making training films because he was myopic.

[ThatOne]

"Mankind must put an end to war, or war will put an end to mankind...War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today."

-John F. Kennedy

Thirty fifth president of the United States and World War ll war hero

And Pulitzer Prize winner for writing "Profiles in Courage".

Oh wait, I'm thinking of Ted Sorensen.

Sorry.

He's one of the few people to have ever pulled strings to get into the military and active combat. He had his dad pull strings because he was originally classified 4F due to his myriad medical maladies. Juxtapose that with the president who spent his war career in Hollywood making training films because he was myopic.

[yancey]

John McCain did finish almost dead last at Annapolis and was rumored to be a sup par pilot. That being said he did spend five years in the Hanoi Hilton and refused a early release, ergo;


In mid-1968, John S. McCain, Jr. was named commander of all U.S. forces in the Vietnam theater, and the North Vietnamese offered McCain early release[43] because they wanted to appear merciful for propaganda purposes,[44] and also to show other POWs that elite prisoners were willing to be treated preferentially.[43] McCain turned down the offer; he would only accept repatriation if every man taken in before him was released as well. Such early release was prohibited by the POW's interpretation of the military Code of Conduct: To prevent the enemy from using prisoners for propaganda, officers were to agree to be released in the order in which they were captured.[33]
In August 1968, a program of severe torture began on McCain.[45] He was subjected to rope bindings and repeated beatings every two hours, at the same time as he was suffering from dysentery.[33][45] Further injuries led to the beginning of a suicide attempt, stopped by guards.[33] Eventually, McCain made an anti-American propaganda "confession".[33] He has always felt that his statement was dishonorable, but as he later wrote, "I had learned what we all learned over there: Every man has his breaking point. I had reached mine."[46][47] Many American POWs were tortured and maltreated in order to extract "confessions" and propaganda statements;[48] virtually all of them eventually yielded something to their captors.[49] McCain subsequently received two to three beatings weekly because of his continued refusal to sign additional statements.[50]
McCain refused to meet with various anti-war groups seeking peace in Hanoi, wanting to give neither them nor the North Vietnamese a propaganda victory.[51] From late 1969 onward, treatment of McCain and many of the other POWs became more tolerable,[52] while McCain continued actively to resist the camp authorities.[53] McCain and other prisoners cheered the U.S. "Christmas Bombing" campaign of December 1972, viewing it as a forceful measure to push North Vietnam to terms.[47][54]
Altogether, McCain was a prisoner of war in North Vietnam for five and a half years. He was released on March 14, 1973.[55] His wartime injuries left him permanently incapable of raising his arms above his head.[56]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain

He's also an avid boxing and sports fan:

What was McCain's position on trying to get the prisoners left behind in Nam?

[ThatOne]

John McCain did finish almost dead last at Annapolis and was rumored to be a sup par pilot. That being said he did spend five years in the Hanoi Hilton and refused a early release, ergo;


In mid-1968, John S. McCain, Jr. was named commander of all U.S. forces in the Vietnam theater, and the North Vietnamese offered McCain early release[43] because they wanted to appear merciful for propaganda purposes,[44] and also to show other POWs that elite prisoners were willing to be treated preferentially.[43] McCain turned down the offer; he would only accept repatriation if every man taken in before him was released as well. Such early release was prohibited by the POW's interpretation of the military Code of Conduct: To prevent the enemy from using prisoners for propaganda, officers were to agree to be released in the order in which they were captured.[33]
In August 1968, a program of severe torture began on McCain.[45] He was subjected to rope bindings and repeated beatings every two hours, at the same time as he was suffering from dysentery.[33][45] Further injuries led to the beginning of a suicide attempt, stopped by guards.[33] Eventually, McCain made an anti-American propaganda "confession".[33] He has always felt that his statement was dishonorable, but as he later wrote, "I had learned what we all learned over there: Every man has his breaking point. I had reached mine."[46][47] Many American POWs were tortured and maltreated in order to extract "confessions" and propaganda statements;[48] virtually all of them eventually yielded something to their captors.[49] McCain subsequently received two to three beatings weekly because of his continued refusal to sign additional statements.[50]
McCain refused to meet with various anti-war groups seeking peace in Hanoi, wanting to give neither them nor the North Vietnamese a propaganda victory.[51] From late 1969 onward, treatment of McCain and many of the other POWs became more tolerable,[52] while McCain continued actively to resist the camp authorities.[53] McCain and other prisoners cheered the U.S. "Christmas Bombing" campaign of December 1972, viewing it as a forceful measure to push North Vietnam to terms.[47][54]
Altogether, McCain was a prisoner of war in North Vietnam for five and a half years. He was released on March 14, 1973.[55] His wartime injuries left him permanently incapable of raising his arms above his head.[56]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain

He's also an avid boxing and sports fan:

What was McCain's position on trying to get the prisoners left behind in Nam?

Why would the VietNamese keep prisoners after the war. Cui bono?

[yancey]

"Mankind must put an end to war, or war will put an end to mankind...War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today."

-John F. Kennedy

Thirty fifth president of the United States and World War ll war hero

And Pulitzer Prize winner for writing "Profiles in Courage".

Oh wait, I'm thinking of Ted Sorensen.

Sorry.

He's one of the few people to have ever pulled strings to get into the military and active combat. He had his dad pull strings because he was originally classified 4F due to his maladies. Juxtapose that with the president who spent his career in Hollywood making training films because he was myopic.

I do think JFK was probably the best of the Kennedys.

But enough politics for me.

Later.

[BoxBuzz]

You are so without a clue on this subject. Best go back to fiction.

[ThatOne]

You are so without a clue on this subject. Best go back to fiction.

Buzz,

Tell me again, on John McCain voting a 'BIG NO' for a Martin Luther King recognized National Holiday.

'Political Hack'

"We can be slow as well to give greatness its due, a mistake I myself made long ago when I voted against a federal holiday in memory of Dr. King. I was wrong," he said, to loud reaction from the crowd. "I was wrong, and eventually realized it in time to give full support — full support — for a state holiday in my home state of Arizona. I'd remind you that we can all be a little late sometimes in doing the right thing, and Dr. King understood this about his fellow Americans."

-John McCain

United States representative, United States senator, 2008 Republican presidential candidate, and war hero

"I'd remind you that we can all be a little late sometimes in doing the right thing, and Dr. King understood this about his fellow Americans."

Do you know what that means?

There's hope for you.

[ThatOne]

John McCain is 'late' coming to the dinner'

Is that the 'best' you can do.

It didn't take a large amount of 'brains' to know that Martin Luther King should have been
recognized for his great stride for equal rights.

John McCain.,,,,,,,,,,'a blockhead'........and a poor Pilot.

But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.
Matthew 18:21

[BoxBuzz]

John McCain is 'late' coming to the dinner'

Is that the 'best' you can do.

It didn't take a large amount of 'brains' to know that Martin Luther King should have been
recognized for his great stride for equal rights.

John McCain.,,,,,,,,,,'a blockhead'........and a poor Pilot.

OK you are being too clever by half. McCain is no racist you know this. Arizona was backing an alternative to MLK day, and he was representing the state of AZ. They wished for it to be called "Civil Rights Day" as not to make it a pledge to anyone one man/woman. But a celebration of the human spirit. This was NOT meant to disrespect King's memory...only to share this with the many men and women who strived mightily to achieve change.

Only you could spin this into something perverse. It was only meant to share the glory of such achievement with many. It was an idea that did not prevail in favor of making it in MLK's honor. MLK would have likely approved the shared version, as he was a humble man. In an odd quirk of fate, we did sort of depersonalize the various president's days, and collapse them into "Presidents Day" while making the Civil Rights celebration a personal honoring of King.

Nothing overly "good" or "bad" in any of those scenarios. But the differences of opinions did create an atmosphere of tension as those details were worked out. You can't make this stuff up.

Well....except for our friend Il Duce....who does a good job with fiction.

[ThatOne]

John McCain is 'late' coming to the dinner'

Is that the 'best' you can do.

It didn't take a large amount of 'brains' to know that Martin Luther King should have been
recognized for his great stride for equal rights.

John McCain.,,,,,,,,,,'a blockhead'........and a poor Pilot.

OK you are being too clever by half. McCain is no racist you know this. Arizona was backing an alternative to MLK day, and he was representing the state of AZ. They wished for it to be called "Civil Rights Day" as not to make it a pledge to anyone one man/woman. But a celebration of the human spirit. This was NOT meant to disrespect King's memory...only to share this with the many men and women who strived mightily to achieve change.




Only you could spin this into something perverse. It was only meant to share the glory of such achievement with many. It was an idea that did not prevail in favor of making it in MLK's honor. MLK would have likely approved the shared version, as he was a humble man. In an odd quirk of fate, we did sort of depersonalize the various president's days, and collapse them into "Presidents Day" while making the Civil Rights celebration a personal honoring of King.

Nothing overly "good" or "bad" in any of those scenarios. But the differences of opinions did create an atmosphere of tension as those details were worked out. You can't make this stuff up.

Well....except for our friend Il Duce....who does a good job with fiction.

He doesn't look like a racist here:





The young man on the left is his son.

[ThatOne]

Buzz Bomb, that above statement was complete and utter 'bullshit'.

John McCain, did 'not' want to recognize a day for Martin Luther King as a National Holiday.

It had nothing to do with being or not being a 'racist'.

It had everything to do with the man being a 'blockhead', and lifelong 'Political Hack'.

Maybe it was done out of political expedience but he saw the error of his ways.

"The only difference between a sinner and a saint

is one man's saved and the other man ain't"

[BoxBuzz]

Buzz Bomb, that above statement was complete and utter 'bullshit'.

John McCain, did 'not' want to recognize a day for Martin Luther King as a National Holiday.

It had nothing to do with being or not being a 'racist'.

It had everything to do with the man being a 'blockhead', and lifelong 'Political Hack'.

Nonsense, you speak of something you know nothing about.

Though I will grant you that "blockhead" and "political hack" are both subjective and thus bars us from any substantive discussion. Not unlike many of your contributions.

I think you are very much a "Blue Meanie".

There...see ...now you've gone and done it. You pushed my buttons, and I lost control..and now must take full responsibility for sinking to your level. I owe myself an apology.

[ThatOne]

Buzz Bomb, that above statement was complete and utter 'bullshit'.

John McCain, did 'not' want to recognize a day for Martin Luther King as a National Holiday.

It had nothing to do with being or not being a 'racist'.

It had everything to do with the man being a 'blockhead', and lifelong 'Political Hack'.

Nonsense, you speak of something you know nothing about.

Though I will grant you that "blockhead" and "political hack" are both subjective and thus bars us from any substantive discussion. Not unlike many of your contributions.

I think you are very much a "Blue Meanie".



There...see ...now you've gone and done it. You pushed my buttons, and I lost control..and now must take full responsibility for sinking to your level. I owe myself an apology.

"A soft answer turneth away wrath: but grievous words stir up anger.'

-Proverbs 15:1

[ThatOne]

A Blue Meanie,

How Dare You,

'I Am The Walrus'



And, Cassius Clay called 'The Beatles'.........'Who are those little Fags'

'Young Cassius[.........a homophobe.

That is true. He did say that. He also said that some fifty years ago.* You do know it wasn't until 1972 that the American Psychiatric Association removed homosexuality from its list of mental illnesses and there are still forty or so states where gay folks don't have full rights of citizenship.

* I also think he was referring to their countenances and not their sexuality. I suspect the tallest of the lot wasn't more than 5'8 inches tall and one hundred and fifty pounds.

[ThatOne]

I'll tell you what,

Cassius Clay never heard a 'Viet Cong' call him N*****R'.

And, I bet he never heard 'Charlie' call him Champ either.

I'm sure the VC were glad he wasn't over there shooting at em...

[ThatOne]

I'll tell you what,

Cassius Clay never heard a 'Viet Cong' call him N*****R'.

And, I bet he never heard 'Charlie' call him Champ either.

I'm sure the VC were glad he wasn't over there shooting at em...

Are You Serious,

The 'last thing' Cassius would have had to worry about in Vietnam was being shot by the Viet Cong.

The 'Odds' were, that he would have been shot by one of his own men within 24-Hours.


'That's A Fact Jack'

What part of "I'm sure the VC were glad he wasn't over there shooting at (th)em" don't you understand?

BTW, when he was in Kinshasa getting ready to beat up Big george some VietNamese college students thanked him for his antiwar stance.

That One
A paragon of truth on a forum of make believe.

[BoxBuzz]

OK OK...all this heat and no stove in sight.

I'm going to shut this down and let things cool off.